Kornet E missile sold to Pakistan?

[Haldiram]

This was Russia behaving like jealous girlfriend by wrecking your stuff and threating to split! Countries sometimes behave like women!

That's okay, we are not treaty allies like we were with the Soviets. The world has changed and Russia cannot fulfill all our needs the way the Soviets did. We have to move away from Russia for our own good; Expect them to throw a tantrum. Expect India to remain unaffected by that tantrum.

We picked our strategic autonomy in weapons diversification ourselves. Russia was offering attack helos, jets and JVs but we bought Apache, and Rafale and M777 and K9 Thunder. If we can diversify our vendors, can't Russia diversify their customers? They have to do it for their own survival. We should anticipate it instead of being surprised.

We are a bigger economy, so we invested in RnD and upgraded to the Nag missile so we don't need to import that. Just like we don't need the Mig 21 in lieu of Tejas. Let Russia export its old tech to Pakistan. If you throw money at them to stop them from exporting, then every 6 months they will try to blackmail you with a new export to Pakistan. Hum bhi toh dekhein Russia me kitna dum hai bechne ka aur Pakistan ki jeb me kitna dum hai kharid ne ka. India is in a different orbit now. Hum toh America ko thenga dikhate hain, Russia kya cheez hai. Let them mingle around with countries of their own caliber, even China treats them like no more than a low cost weapons vendor. It's a downgrade for Russia that they have to go from selling weapons to India and China to selling weapons to Pakistan and Vietnam. They should be worried more about their diminishing stature and order book, more than us. India and China is working to manufacture their own weapons and Russia and USA will need to find new customers when their old customers become self-reliant. Both will throw tantrums.

China doesn't fret about Russian weapons sales to India, why is that? they see themselves in a different league, competing with the US for the top most position. They don't see themselves in a gutter fight with smaller powers like Russia. They settle their invoices for whatever oil and weapons they import but don't bother that the vendor is selling to India and Vietnam as well. Never waste your time on people lower in caliber than you.

India has also set its sights higher >> indegenization in weapons and autonomy in foreign policy.

 

[Bleh]

Things will change drastically if pakistan became even a little friendly towards the Jews.

Hah! Like that's gonna happen...

Yeh Russians sab ko churan bechte hain. First they sold Kornet E (1000 - 1200 mm ERA) (small number). Then they threatened to sell even more.

India promptly bought the T90MS with the Relikt ERA with 1100-1300 mm protection + 650 - 800 mm Composite Armor of no's. 464.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140410134807/http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90a/t-90A.htm

https://www.janes.com/article/87742...rity-approves-procurement-of-464-t-90ms-tanks

This opens the door for further upgrades to the T 90S lot with Kontakt 5 to the Relikt ERA.

To prevent further sales we bought a shit load of AK 203s.

Now compare the no.s here 500 Konkurs E vs 464 T 90MS!

@Haldiram yeh Russians toh baap nikle supply and demand situation create karne mein!

They do it because they can afford to do it!

They know that there's plenty in Indian military with Russian cock down their throats (not literally... literally it's the exact opposite. Medals can't be openly awarded to whores, otherwise their contribution to Russian economy deserves nothing less) & Russia knows that Indian Army will reward them with even more orders.

Had Arjun got the support that Tejas did, it's Mark 2/3 would have reached desired quality like MWF with Gripen-NG or F-21, carried onward by AMCA... but at this point both Arjun & FMBT effectively dead.
Russians have India by the balls & T-14 orders are coming soon.

 

[aarav]

Russia will sell to pakis i think we forget about engines of FC 1 xialong or mi-35 or il76 tankers ,russia has been providing military articles at regular intervals,will continue to provide if pakis could afford it,the days of Soviet Union are way beyond but some people still carry the nostalgia of natasha

 

[aarav]

Hah! Like that's gonna happen...
They do it because they can afford to do it!

They know that there's plenty in Indian military with Russian cock down their throats (not literally... literally it's the exact opposite. Medals can't be openly awarded to whores, otherwise their contribution to Russian economy deserves nothing less) & Russia knows that Indian Army will reward them with even more orders.

Had Arjun got the support that Tejas did, it's Mark 2/3 would have reached desired quality like MWF with Gripen-NG or F-21, carried onward by AMCA... but at this point both Arjun & FMBT effectively dead.
Russians have India by the balls & T-14 orders are coming soon.

I wouldn't agree with you ,ruski thought the same with SP artillery but we went with k9 vajra similarly for point air defence we have awarded the contract to k30 biho and there are chances for FRCV to be awarded to k2 panther,indian army wants the best as was with k9 vajra and biho tiger so more orders from indian army to russia in armoured elements is very low

 

[Bleh]

I wouldn't agree with you ,ruski thought the same with SP artillery but we went with k9 vajra similarly for point air defence we have awarded the contract to k30 biho and there are chances for FRCV to be awarded to k2 panther,indian army wants the best as was with k9 vajra and biho tiger so more orders from indian army to russia in armoured elements is very low

You don't "agree with me" on what grounds?

I mentioned India buying Apache, Chinook, Scorpene, Rafale, K2 based on quality instead of Russian crap... that's one of the reasons Russian are actively selling to Pakistan now. We didn't openly side with them on Crimea either. What they're doing is fair, from their point of view.

Except the fact that in another decade to do we won't be needing to rely on importing on those lines... as successors of LCH, ADA MLH, indigenous SSK/SSN, AMCA will be in a position to take over due to continuous R&D over the years.

I was talking about tanks... The Arjun Project, Mark 1 or Mark 2, were both effectively strangled off right from the day of setting GSQR & thus as of today FMBT is in no position to be available in time!
Now more T-90MS (at this point, much superior to Arjun Mark 1A) are coming & in future most likely T14 will come, just as T-90 followed T-72. Indian Army may buy Korean K2 tanks... but it will still be an Indian company doing screwdriver & paint job, while successors of FRCV will still be imported.

Nationality of the whores is irrelevant, but the mindset of a huge wing of the Army is. With that kind of thinking, even whatever hopes are there for FICV might be lost.
TATA Kestrel must be performing really well, to have been stuck in trials for so long & not rejected in favour of a foreign WhAP.

 

[aarav]

You don't "agree with me" on what grounds?

I mentioned India buying Apache, Chinook, Scorpene, Rafale, K2 based on quality instead of Russian crap... that's one of the reasons Russian actively selling to Pakistan now, we didn't openly side with then on Crimea too. What they're doing is fair, from their point of view.

Except the fact that in another decade to do we won't be needing to import on those lines... successors of LCH, ADA MLH, indigenous SSK/SSN, AMCA will be in a position to take over.
I was talking about tanks. Indian army is not going to buy Korean K9 or French Leclerc tanks... Arjun Project, Mark 1A or Mark 2, were effectively strangled off right from the day of setting GSQR & thus FMBT is in no position to be available in time!

Now more T-90MS (at this point, much superior to Arjun Mark 1A) are coming & in future most likely T14 will come just as T-90 followed T-72.

I think you mixed up k9 and k2 ,indian army already have inducted k9 vajra ,there is other programme FRCV in which K2 panther is frontrunner with is Strategic partner L&T ,they are giving same deal of k9 type which would be made in hazira gujrat ,there is also k30 biho tiger won the tender as replacement of Tunguska and shilka and Arjun mk1a orders have been given ,you would hear a good news about in defexpo2020

K9 vajra

k30 biho tiger

K2 panther

 

[Bleh]

I think you mixed up k9 and k2 ,indian army already have inducted k9 vajra ,there is other programme FRCV in which K2 panther is frontrunner with is Strategic partner L&T ,they are giving same deal of k9 type which would be made in hazira gujrat ,there is also k30 biho tiger won the tender as replacement of Tunguska and shilka and Arjun mk1a orders have been given ,you would hear a good news about in defexpo2020View attachment 38430
K9 vajra
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K2 panther

Yeah, typo.. edited it. Read now.

And Arjun mark 1A, at this point, is simply no match for T-90 MS or T-14. Both will outperform it on almost every ground, with 10-15 years ahead in tech R&D! They have better gun-penetration, better engines, better armour (ERA), better soft kill & hard kill APS.
Buying inferior Arjuns only result in another INSAS-like mess & tarnish the reputation of DRDO that's slowly rising with recent successful achievements.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Missiles bought may be for Mi 35. Possibly how Russia was able to skirt Indian objections.

 

[vampyrbladez]

You don't "agree with me" on what grounds?

I mentioned India buying Apache, Chinook, Scorpene, Rafale, K2 based on quality instead of Russian crap... that's one of the reasons Russian are actively selling to Pakistan now. We didn't openly side with them on Crimea either. What they're doing is fair, from their point of view.

Except the fact that in another decade to do we won't be needing to rely on importing on those lines... as successors of LCH, ADA MLH, indigenous SSK/SSN, AMCA will be in a position to take over due to continuous R&D over the years.

I was talking about tanks... The Arjun Project, Mark 1 or Mark 2, were both effectively strangled off right from the day of setting GSQR & thus as of today FMBT is in no position to be available in time!
Now more T-90MS (at this point, much superior to Arjun Mark 1A) are coming & in future most likely T14 will come, just as T-90 followed T-72. Indian Army may buy Korean K2 tanks... but it will still be an Indian company doing screwdriver & paint job, while successors of FRCV will still be imported.

Nationality of the whores is irrelevant, but the mindset of a huge wing of the Army is. With that kind of thinking, even whatever hopes are there for FICV might be lost.
TATA Kestrel must be performing really well, to have been stuck in trials for so long & not rejected in favour of a foreign WhAP.

T14 is an excellent choice but no K2 please.

 

[Akula]

Missiles bought may be for Mi 35. Possibly how Russia was able to skirt Indian objections.


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For just 4 Mi-35's they are buying 52 launchers and 500 missiles.

 

[Bleh]

T14 is an excellent choice but no K2 please.

Any particular reason for saying so? Isn't K2 supposed to be one of the most advanced tanks in the world right now?
India should have seriously considered co-developing FMBT with Israel though... too late now.

For just 4 Mi-35's they are buying 52 launchers and 500 missiles.

Dozen launchers each?

 

[WolfPack86]

Pakistan Buys Russian Kornet-E Anti-tank Guided Missiles
The Pakistan Army has purchased some 52 launchers and an unspecified number of missiles of the Russian Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) for $62.46 million during the 2017-18.

The country’s Directorate General of Defence Purchases ordered Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) for $62.46 million, Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production’s (MoDP) yearbook for 2017-2018 states.

The number of missiles ordered was not disclosed but could run into hundreds of units given the value of the deal.

The Kornet-E is a competitor to the US’ Javelin and the Israeli Spike in the global arms market. It has a range between 4500 meters- 5500 meters. It can be deployed by dismounted soldiers as well as on vehicles.

According to information provided by the Russian arms export agency Rosoboronexport, the Kornet-E vehicle-mounted/portable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) system is designed to engage current and future tanks fitted with explosive reactive armor, fortifications, hovering helicopters and pinpoint surface targets.

It is not known if the Kornet-E have been deployed by the Pakistan Army. If it has, then it must be on the eastern border with India, as the type of threats (armored vehicles and tanks) it can deal with are not prominent on its western border with Afghanistan.

Pakistan Buys Russian Kornet-E Anti-tank Guided Missiles

The Pakistan Army has purchased some 52 launchers and an unspecified number of missiles of the Russian Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) for $62.46 million during the 2017-18. The country’s Directorate General of Defence Purchases ordered Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) for...

www.defenseworld.net

 

[WolfPack86]

Pakistan's MoDP reveals orders for MANPADSs and other weapon systems in 2017–18
Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) revealed in its recently released yearbook for 2017–18 that the country ordered 52 9K129 Kornet-E anti-tank guided missile weapon systems and 295 FN-16 man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADSs) during that period.


The document stated that the deal for the Russian-made Kornet-E ATGWs, which is likely to have included hundreds of missiles, was valued at USD62.46 million, while the procurement of the Chinese-made third-generation MANPADSs was valued at USD25.13 million.


According to Janes Infantry Weapons , the Kornet-E system comprises the 9M133-1 anti-tank and 9M133F-1 anti-structure missiles, the 9P163-1 GLS, along with the optional 1PN79-1 thermal sight.


The missile, which is armed with the 9N156-1 tandem-shaped charge warhead, has a stated maximum range of 5,500 m during the day and of 3,500 m at night. The warhead is claimed to be able to penetrate between 1,000 mm and 1,200 mm of vertically inclined rolled homogeneous armour (RHA) plates protected by explosive reactive armour (ERA).


The Chinese-made FN-16 is an upgrade on the FN-6 MANPADS that has been designed mainly for battlefield air defence to intercept low altitude and ultra-low altitude air targets. In particular, the FN-16 missile has an extended range of 6,000 m and the capability to pull an 18 g turn. If required, the FN-16 can also be integrated into an overall air defence system or a local air defence system.


Also purchased were 369 additional anti-tank rockets for the Pakistan Army for USD9 million to supplement the 1,430 rockets the army had ordered in 2016 to arm 158 Instalaza ALCOTAN-100 man-portable, shoulder-launched, lightweight anti-armour systems.

Pakistan's MoDP reveals orders for MANPADSs and other weapon systems in 2017–18

Pakistan’s Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) revealed in its recently released yearbook for 2017–18 that the country ordered 52 9K129 Kornet-E anti-tank guided...

www.janes.com

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Good job Russia sell Indians the tanks and pakis the missiles to destroy the tanks. Repeat business.

 

[WolfPack86]

Pakistan Army Procured the Kornet-E Anti-Tank Guided Missiles in 2017-2018
Procurement details from the Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) yearbook for the year 2017-2018 revealed that the Directorate General of Defence Purchases acquired the Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles (ATGM) for the US $62.46 million.

The yearbook of the Ministry of Defence Production stated that the Pakistan Army had ordered 52 units, however, it remains unclear whether it refers to individual missiles or missiles accompanied by launchers.

pakistan #India #Russia #infantry #anti-tank Pakistan Buys Russian Kornet-E Anti-tank Guided Missiles

Kornet-E Missiles
It is important to note that in 2008, Turkey had procured 80 Kornet-E launchers with 800 missiles for the US $70 million. Analysts observe that it is likely that Pakistan has made a similar order, which would be 52 launchers and hundreds of Kornet-E ATGMs.

The Kornet-E anti-tank guided missiles provide a day-time range of around 5,500m, while the night-time range is 4500m. These missiles weigh 26kg and can be used in infantry and vehicles. These missiles are dependent on a semi-active laser-homing (SALH) seeker.

Analysts observe that if the missiles have been directly procured from Russia, then this purchase would be somewhat in line with Russia’s strategy of only selling counterinsurgency weapons to Pakistan. However, it is evident that Pakistan intends to induct the Anti-Tank guided missiles on its eastern borders facing India rather than its border with Afghanistan.

It is important to note that given the sanctions imposed by the United States’ Countering America’s Adversaries through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), the Kornet-Es and the Mi-35M might be the last weapon systems that Pakistan will be able to purchase from Russia.

Pakistan, Russia, and the US: An Uneasy Triangle
Russia has exhibited an unwillingness to sell Pakistan its bigger, more sophisticated weapon systems since the defense ties grew cold in 2015, and Islamabad, on the other hand, is also uneager to antagonize the US by engaging in defense transactions with Russia.

At the 2018 International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS), the Director for Development and Promotion of Turkey’s Roketsan, Hüdai Özdamar, stated that the Pakistan Army can conduct tests of the UMTAS and the OMTAS in 2019.

UkrOboronProm, a leading Ukrainian defense producer, also expressed its willingness to collaborate with Pakistan on the development and production of “high precision weapons”, and these weapons are also likely to include anti-tank guided missiles, amongst other missiles. Pakistan can also engage with South Africa on Denel’s anti-tank guided missiles, including the Ingwe and Mokopa.

The Pakistan Army needs to acquire more Anti-tank guided missiles to fulfill its requirements, and the market is ripe with multiple options. The Directorate General of Defence Purchases is engaging in preliminary negotiations with multiple companies, including Turkey’s Rokestan.

1965: Biggest Tank War after WWII
Pakistan is focused on innovating its defense arsenal, and securing itself against the possibility of a tank invasion. The Pakistan Army has always kept an element of surprise, even during the age when it was one of the least developed armies across the world. Soon after World War II, the Pakistan Army fought the largest tank battle at Chawinda, in 1965, which is remembered as the Graveyard of Indian Tanks.

Pakistan Army Procured the Kornet-E Anti-Tank Guided Missiles in 2017-2018

It is important to note that in 2008, Turkey had procured 80 Kornet-E launchers with 800 missiles for the US $70 million. Analysts observe

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[JBH22]

Hue and cry for selling anti tank missiles to Pak.
Not a single mention about the country that gives them defence aid budget, then sells us transport plane and helicopters. Now same country is trying to shove an old plane used by Pak under a fancy appellation.
Hypocrisy ki bhi sima Hoti Hain

 

[ArgonPrime]

Graveyard of Indian Tanks.

Pakistan Army Procured the Kornet-E Anti-Tank Guided Missiles in 2017-2018

It is important to note that in 2008, Turkey had procured 80 Kornet-E launchers with 800 missiles for the US $70 million. Analysts observe

www.globalvillagespace.com

Yeah, by managing to take out a meager 29 odd tanks, mostly outdated M4 Shermans while losing at least 44 of their own in the process, and that too when they were on the defensive and thus, fighting from within built-up concealed positions, had numerical and technological superiority over the attacking 1st Armored division and throwing everything they had including the kitchen sink at the Indian forces. So much for a grand victory and the so-called graveyard of Indian tanks or whatever. These pakis can only win in their fucked up little minds but when it comes to actually win a battle on the ground, they always fall short.

 

[FalconZero]

Hue and cry for selling anti tank missiles to Pak.
Not a single mention about the country that gives them defence aid budget, then sells us transport plane and helicopters. Now same country is trying to shove an old plane used by Pak under a fancy appellation.
Hypocrisy ki bhi sima Hoti Hain

Go through the defence aid to pakis, it has reduced drastically to almost nil in recent times. Also, as others pointed our Russia has no obligation nor it owes us anything, it's just we should have opted out and started focusing on our indigenous products long ago. Russia is playing whore to everyone who gives them good money.