Kornet E missile sold to Pakistan?

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This is the only ATGM system I fear. With possible DOP it can defeat even 1400+ mm RHAe protection...even if not that easily 1200 mm RHAe (Kornet E) can be defeated.
 

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So Pakistan is modernizing its military inspite of its poor economy. We need to increase our defense budget to 2 percent of GDP.
 

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This is not cold war era now ,if we can buy American attack helis , ASW aircrafts , M777 Howitzers why cant Russia sell weapons to Pakis???.
Remember war is always profitable to the weapons exporter and they supply boht sides
 

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This is the only ATGM system I fear. With possible DOP it can defeat even 1400+ mm RHAe protection...even if not that easily 1200 mm RHAe (Kornet E) can be defeated.
If this is so potent, how come India bought just 250 odd units and went for Israeli / US stuff?
I suspect these are not as good in practise as on paper and might have lower reliability especially in hot conditions compared to Spike / Javelin
 

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This is the only ATGM system I fear. With possible DOP it can defeat even 1400+ mm RHAe protection...even if not that easily 1200 mm RHAe (Kornet E) can be defeated.
If I am not mistaken, the Pak army sits on a pile of $20 billion. It has uncontrolled ability to " control" almost all trades, contracts, and any large project involving the government. In other words, it controls everything. Imran Khan is a mouthpiece for show.
 

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Pakistan has acquired 52 Kornet-E ATGM units from Russia. All deliveries are complete and weapon is operational in Pakistan army.
 

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So Russia sells Mig-29s, Su-30s, tanks, S-400s to India and declare that India is its brother. Then Russua turns around and sell China the same weapons and more. Worse, even Russia even sells to India's pygmy enemy Porkistan weapons.

And yet Murica is the unreliable partner and Russia is reliable.... At least with the US, most game-changing tech China and even Pakistan will not gain access to it. But for cash-srrapped Russia, they would even sell the hydes of their mothers to anyone willing enough to pay. And of course, they'll reserve their highest money-induced loyalty to the party that gives them the most cash.... $hina.

What's more, when Russia sells weapons to clients the direction of money is only one way: fron client to Russia. But when America sells big defense teckit items the flow of mobey and business goes both ways: from client to Murica and Murica to client. And you get the best quality weapons in the World.
 

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So Russia sells Mig-29s, Su-30s, tanks, S-400s to India and declare that India is its brother. Then Russua turns around and sell China the same weapons and more. Worse, even Russia even sells to India's pygmy enemy Porkistan weapons.

And yet Murica is the unreliable partner and Russia is reliable.... At least with the US, most game-changing tech China and even Pakistan will not gain access to it. But for cash-srrapped Russia, they would even sell the hydes of their mothers to anyone willing enough to pay. And of course, they'll reserve their highest money-induced loyalty to the party that gives them the most cash.... $hina.

What's more, when Russia sells weapons to clients the direction of money is only one way: fron client to Russia. But when America sells big defense teckit items the flow of mobey and business goes both ways: from client to Murica and Murica to client. And you get the best quality weapons in the World.
Very true... and lots of Indians here acting as if Russia has betrayed & backstabbed us, but the truth is that they don't owe us shit.

There was a time when India bought mostly Russian arms from jets to tanks despite better options being available & they didn't sell to Pakistan, but those days gone.
India has choosen Apache, Chinook, Scorpene, Rafales over Russian tech. They've sold Tincan-90s without APS to India & ATGMs to Pakistan that'll cause hundreds of Indian tank crews to be roasted alive in the next war. Now Indians post images of pork roasts, then they will post images of beef steaks.

Bottom line, Russia and America are same as far as i relations with India is concerned, that'll sell to both us and our enemies. Only country that won't sell to Pakistan right now is Israel...
 
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So Russia sells Mig-29s, Su-30s, tanks, S-400s to India and declare that India is its brother. Then Russua turns around and sell China the same weapons and more. Worse, even Russia even sells to India's pygmy enemy Porkistan weapons.

And yet Murica is the unreliable partner and Russia is reliable.... At least with the US, most game-changing tech China and even Pakistan will not gain access to it. But for cash-srrapped Russia, they would even sell the hydes of their mothers to anyone willing enough to pay. And of course, they'll reserve their highest money-induced loyalty to the party that gives them the most cash.... $hina.

What's more, when Russia sells weapons to clients the direction of money is only one way: fron client to Russia. But when America sells big defense teckit items the flow of mobey and business goes both ways: from client to Murica and Murica to client. And you get the best quality weapons in the World.
Don't say it. Few people have invested years and years of their lives spinning everything around bad Murica. You throw a napkin on the ground Bancho they will somehow turn it into American conspiracy.
 

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Very true... and lots of Indians here acting as if Russia has betrayed & backstabbed us, but the truth is that they don't owe us shit.

There was a time when India bought mostly Russian arms from jets to tanks despite better options being available & they didn't sell to Pakistan, but those days gone.
India has choosen Apache, Chinook, Scorpene, Rafales over Russian tech. They've sold Tincan-90s without APS to India & ATGMs to Pakistan that'll cause hundreds of Indian tank crews to be roasted alive in the next war. Now Indians post images of pork roasts, then they will post images of beef steaks.

Bottom line, Russia and America are same as far as i relations with India is concerned, that'll sell to both us and our enemies. Only country that won't sell to Pakistan right now is Israel...
Israel doesn't sell weapons to Pakistan because it is not recognised as a state by the latter. Things will change drastically if pakistan became even a little friendly towards the Jews. It will however cause mayhem in the common Pak public who have been fed a steady diet of hindu-yahudi saazish but that can be managed by the Pak army.
Things are still favourable to us now but we shouldn't take them for granted.
 

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Yeh Russians sab ko churan bechte hain. First they sold Kornet E (1000 - 1200 mm ERA) (small number). Then they threatened to sell even more.

India promptly bought the T90MS with the Relikt ERA with 1100-1300 mm protection + 650 - 800 mm Composite Armor of no's. 464.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140410134807/http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90a/t-90A.htm

https://www.janes.com/article/87742...rity-approves-procurement-of-464-t-90ms-tanks

This opens the door for further upgrades to the T 90S lot with Kontakt 5 to the Relikt ERA.

To prevent further sales we bought a shit load of AK 203s.

Now compare the no.s here 500 Konkurs E vs 464 T 90MS!

@Haldiram yeh Russians toh baap nikle supply and demand situation create karne mein!
 
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Yeh Russians sab ko churan bechte hain. First they sold Kornet E to Pakis (small number). Then they threatened to sell even more.

India promptly bought the T90MS with the Relikt ERA with 1100-1300 mm protection + 650 - 800 mm Composite Armor of no's. 464.

https://web.archive.org/web/20140410134807/http://btvt.narod.ru/4/t-90a/t-90A.htm

https://www.janes.com/article/87742...rity-approves-procurement-of-464-t-90ms-tanks

This opens the door for further upgrades to the T 90S lot with Kontakt 5 to the Relikt ERA.

To prevent further sales we bought a shit load of AK 203s.

Now compare the no.s here 500 Konkurs E vs 464 T 90MS!

@Haldiram yeh Russians toh baap nikle supply and demand situation create karne mein!
They have been squeezing money out of India since decades now. Just check how much price escalation they caused while selling us the aircraft carrier. Almost 3X the price. Russia is a malnourished person looking at Indian taxpayer's money as a yearly dole. Garib desh hai, economy weak hai, they are in a desperation to survive ever since the Soviet Union collapsed. Don't look to that nation to support you, you are much bigger and stronger. India must take what it wants when it's available at desirable rates, and not expect any loyalty or give any loyalty to its vendor. Vendor vendor hota hai, dost nahi.

Even India is no flowerchild. When Russia annexed Crimea, their foreign office expected us to use the preferred word 're-unification' but India insisted on 'annexation' so everyone is pursuing an independent policy. We don't sell our friendship just because someone sells us their weapons. Even Israel expects us to surrender our foreign policy over Palestine just because they sell us hardware. Kya baat hai bhai? invoice ka paisa nahi mila kya? bhaago fir. Same message was given to Russia, so they are also showing their independence. Karne do.

Russia is testing whether you offer them some $ to get them to stall the sale of weapons to Pakistan. Ek bhikari desh, dusre bhikari desh ko weapons bech ke 100T $ ki economy bana lega kya? 52 missiles khadeed ke kal Ghazwa-e-Hind ho jayega kya? India doesn't need to spend its mental bandwidth on these issues. Haati chale baazar, pupper bhonke haazar. International bargaining aise hi hota hai.

There's a price to having an independent policy. We are doing what's in our best interests. Slave minded people cannot wrap their heads around this #IndiaFirst framework. In their minds, India must necessarily subservient to one or the other camp. We are in our own camp.
 
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So Russia sells Mig-29s, Su-30s, tanks, S-400s to India and declare that India is its brother. Then Russua turns around and sell China the same weapons and more. Worse, even Russia even sells to India's pygmy enemy Porkistan weapons.
Better you don't speak. If Russia sells weapons to India's adversaries, Americans donate it to on a platter to Pakistanis.:pound:

Fighters & missiles, economic military aid, NATO ally status, diplomatic cover of "mediation" (talking India down to not react) and a lot more.
They never recognized India's status as a nuclear power, don't sell critical weapon. While they transferred launch vehicle tech, missiles & nuclear tech to China in 90s & opened up their market for them, they put sanctions on India's own ongoing projects.
And yet Murica is the unreliable partner and Russia is reliable....
If Russia is unreliable, America will be tagged as hostile comparing thresholds.
At least with the US, most game-changing tech China and even Pakistan will not gain access to it.
  1. Pakistan will get some relatively critical tech from PRC for sure.
  2. Pakistan is a proxy used by US, UK & PRC against India. It's a suicidal country used only for keeping India busy & not anything much more.
But for cash-srrapped Russia, they would even sell the hydes of their mothers to anyone willing enough to pay.
That's what you need when you want to strike a good deal.
And of course, they'll reserve their highest money-induced loyalty to the party that gives them the most cash.... $hina.
They'll still prefer India & long term over China. Chinese have friction & expansionist plans against Russians too. It's the hostility from a strong America that keeps them close. And it will collapse with American decline.
What's more, when Russia sells weapons to clients the direction of money is only one way: fron client to Russia. But when America sells big defense teckit items the flow of mobey and business goes both ways: from client to Murica and Murica to client. And you get the best quality weapons in the World.
  1. No, Russians have let us manufacture their weapons in past. Case is different they can't afford to do it now.
  2. When America deals, it charges sovereign rights of using weapon along with money is more precise. Time will tell what's best in the world.
Seriously, I'm not a great fan of Russia & known hater of Rusks & Ching chongs. Doesn't mean that I could deny the fact that US is the last country to trust on. After taking down China, we are the next.
 

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They have been squeezing money out of India since decades now. Just check how much price escalation they caused while selling us the aircraft carrier. Almost 3X the price. Russia is a malnourished person looking at Indian taxpayer's money as a yearly dole. Garib desh hai, economy weak hai, they are in a desperation to survive ever since the Soviet Union collapsed. Don't look to that nation to support you, you are much bigger and stronger. India must take what it wants when it's available at desirable rates, and not expect any loyalty or give any loyalty to its vendor. Vendor vendor hota hai, dost nahi.

Even India is no flowerchild. When Russia annexed Crimea, their foreign office expected us to use the preferred word 're-unification' but India insisted on 'annexation' so everyone is pursuing an independent policy. We don't sell our friendship just because someone sells us their weapons. Even Israel expects us to surrender our foreign policy over Palestine just because they sell us hardware. Kya baat hai bhai? invoice ka paisa nahi mila kya? bhaago fir. Same message was given to Russia, so they are also showing their independence. Karne do.

Ek bhikari desh, dusre bhikari desh ko weapons bech ke 100T $ ki economy bana lega kya? 52 missiles khadeed ke kal Ghazwa-e-Hind ho jayega kya? India doesn't need to spend its mental bandwidth on these issues. Haati chale baazar, pupper bhonke haazar.

There's a price to having an independent policy. Slave minded people cannot wrap their heads around this #IndiaFirst framework. In their minds, India must necessarily subservient to one or the other camp. We are in our own camp. We do what we want, and let other nations do what they want.
This was Russia behaving like jealous girlfriend by wrecking your stuff and threating to split! Countries sometimes behave like women!
 
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This was Russia behaving like jealous girlfriend by wrecking your stuff and threating to split! Countries sometimes behave like women!
That's what they have been doing exactly for quite some time.
Whenever they wish to sell something or India buys something from elsewhere, they sell something to Pakistan to express their anger.
 

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