Know Your 'Rafale'

[Gessler]

Does rafale have GaN ?

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Yes, some of them already have GaN-based RF transmitters. The GaN radar though, will arrive later.


Watch the video. The ones with the black RF modules beside the inlets instead of green are the ones with the GaN upgrade.

 

[Gessler]

Using the same logic

You are just a student no aviation expert

Never said I was. But who says a student cannot have knowledge of aviation?

You can determine who has knowledge or not by looking at the content they post and the arguments they wage. That is how and why I questioned Parrikar's statements, by analyzing his words and pointing out the glaring faults in it.

And so your rants about capabilities of rafale are just that rants. Nothing to take seriously

Tell me, am I wrong in ANY of the points I made? No, all my arguments were correct and state the obvious facts.

If you think I'm ranting without any basis, go ahead and try to prove any of my points wrong. If you fail to do that, it obviously means my statements are CORRECT and it is YOU who is ranting without basis.

 

[su35]

be equipped only on Su-30MKI.

I agree with this aporoach. Moreover, Tejas is far from a finished product. With this, we have not mastered any of the critical tech associated with fighter jets like Engine and Radar. Even the Airframe is a knock-off of Mirage-2000. We must learn to make critical components and strengthen our aeronautical engineering base, before attempting another aircraft.

If you say so, then gripen is also knock off plane. Many of its component come from USA and UK.

 

[Zebra]

We already have AGM 84, Kh 35, Sea Exocet, Kh 31 and Sea Eagle, we did not want Anymore.

RBS-15 is cheaper , has better range and can use against land based target too.

On top of it, there is an option at extra cost, you can choose missile re-entry option also.

 

[Zebra]

There is no comparison between Tejas and Rafael.

Tejas - Indigenous & our own.

Rafael & All Others - Imported. (India will lose lots of $.. foreign companies will gain.. and that's why so much is being offered and political pressure are being made)

Questions: If Rafael is better than say F18, will USA buy it ?? Why ??

We don't need Rafaels.. first we need 5L booletproof jackets.

Sir, I agree with you.

Rafale won't help, as it is too costly.

But you have to understand that IAF needs more and more aircrafts that too in shortest possible time.

Those aircrafts must be which ever offers better availability, less dramas for after sale services, cost effective operations, affordable price and reliable product.

On top of it, the aircraft must be able to use maximum numbers of different type of weapons on it and those weapons must be cheap too.

 

[sasum]

Questions: If Rafael is better than say F18, will USA buy it ?? Why ??

A very queer logic indeed !!
If you go strictly by the relative merits, US should buy Rafale from her NATO partner.

 

[Anikastha]

There is no comparison between Tejas and Rafael.

Tejas - Indigenous & our own.

Rafael & All Others - Imported. (India will lose lots of $.. foreign companies will gain.. and that's why so much is being offered and political pressure are being made)

Questions: If Rafael is better than say F18, will USA buy it ?? Why ??

We don't need Rafaels.. first we need 5L booletproof jackets.

Well said bro....we need bullet proof jackets first.

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[Zebra]

^^

And No one can beat US companies in that.

There is no comparison between Tejas and Rafael.
Tejas - Indigenous & our own.
Rafael & All Others - Imported. (India will lose lots of $.. foreign companies will gain.. and that's why so much is being offered and political pressure are being made)
Questions: If Rafael is better than say F18, will USA buy it ?? Why ??

We don't need Rafaels.. first we need 5L booletproof jackets.

Oops, I missed that part in my post.

Anyway, as you started with "If", first of all Rafale is a good product.

But when you compare it with F/A-18 , then it is not, in my view.

Just one example.................check the Rafales in Mali type operations. They used Mirage for air support.

Being a carrier born aircraft, F/A-18 won't get that type of air support in real life scenarios.

They have to take care them selves, when ever they go for mission.

And they are specifically designed for that kind of jobs.

That is why I prefer F/A-18s.

On top of it, F/A-18 is way cheaper than Rafale.

 

[akk]

I am probably least informed person in forum. From layman perspective....I think f18 is better than Rafale.
1. Cheaper
2. Common engine with tejas so cheaper logistics
3. There may be differences in missiles and finer aspects...but broadly, I expect it to have a reasonable range, reasonable air and ground attack capability, good radar etc. Should be enough for our purpose
4. Make in india.
For that matter even mig 29 upgraded with aesa should be "enough" if acquired in numbers.
As I said it is novice analysis so pardon me for any stupid content

 

[SajeevJino]

Spectra is not about invisibility but all about counter-measures ... it is boring to have again and again these discussions.
Just bumped into this fantastic blog of @SajeevJino . It is an old entry, so it is not like these things have been hidden to the attention of DFI members for years ... Please read it and read it again if you haven't done yet.

http://sajeevpearlj.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_2.html

Aww. ..thanks

Actually those who not accepting Rafale who has no idea about actual air fighting and close air support mission in future conflicts

 

[SajeevJino]

Spectra is not about invisibility but all about counter-measures ... it is boring to have again and again these discussions.
Just bumped into this fantastic blog of @SajeevJino . It is an old entry, so it is not like these things have been hidden to the attention of DFI members for years ... Please read it and read it again if you haven't done yet.

http://sajeevpearlj.blogspot.fr/p/blog-page_2.html

Aww. ..thanks

Actually those who not accepting Rafale who has no idea about actual air fighting and close air support mission in future conflicts

I am probably least informed person in forum. From layman perspective....I think f18 is better than Rafale.
1. Cheaper
2. Common engine with tejas so cheaper logistics
3. There may be differences in missiles and finer aspects...but broadly, I expect it to have a reasonable range, reasonable air and ground attack capability, good radar etc. Should be enough for our purpose
4. Make in india.
For that matter even mig 29 upgraded with aesa should be "enough" if acquired in numbers.
As I said it is novice analysis so pardon me for any stupid content

Don't youbknow .. You need complete set of US weaponry to use the Super Hoenets

No missile commonality here

 

[su35]

On top of it, there is an option at extra cost, you can choose missile re-entry option also.

Can you elborate missile re entry option a bit more

 

[su35]

Aww. ..thanks

Actually those who not accepting Rafale who has no idea about actual air fighting and close air support mission in future conflicts

Is there no counter of SPECTRA. I heard that DRDO was developing Electronic Counter Counter Measure

 

[Zebra]

Can you elborate missile re entry option a bit more

Let me put it in my words........

If missile miss the target or the target manages to get escape in first go for any reason, in such situation missile gets useless.

What if the same missile come back again and approach to get the target again as a second go..........!

 

[sasum]

Let me put it in my words........

If missile miss the target or the target manages to get escape in first go for any reason, in such situation missile gets useless.

What if the same missile come back again and approach to get the target again as a second go..........!

It is not called "Re-entry". All guided missiles with IR seeker can chase a jet-powered target by sniffing the heat emitted from the nozzle. Re-entry is related to ballistic missile which takes a parabolic trajectory and often cross the upper layer of atmosphere in its boost phase. When the warhead detaches and starts to fall, it reenters atmosphere under gravitational pool.

 

[Zebra]

It is not called "Re-entry". All guided missiles with IR seeker can chase a jet-powered target by sniffing the heat emitted from the nozzle. Re-entry is related to ballistic missile which takes a parabolic trajectory and often cross the upper layer of atmosphere in its boost phase. When the warhead detaches and starts to fall, it reenters atmosphere under gravitational pool.

Sir, you are not wrong.
But can I say that is one of the interpretation of "re-entry" word.

BTW, one of the our ex airforce chief also used 'missile re entry' terms and he was talking about aircraft launch missile.
I am not talking any names though.

 

[sasum]

Sir, you are not wrong.
But can I say that is one of the interpretation of "re-entry" word.

BTW, one of the our ex airforce chief also used 'missile re entry' terms and he was talking about aircraft launch missile.
I am not talking any names though.

I am hearing this interpretation of Re-entry for the first time. An advice: Do not go by any individual's assertion as authentic unless crosscheked with several sources. Just google reentry vehicle and see if your interpretation is vindicated.

 

[Zebra]

I am hearing this interpretation of Re-entry for the first time. An advice: Do not go by any individual's assertion as authentic unless crosscheked with several sources. Just google reentry vehicle and see if your interpretation is vindicated.

OK, let me re-phrase it for you...........

'It also has a re-attack capability'.

Happy now........!

 

[sasum]

OK, let me re-phrase it for you...........

'It also has a re-attack capability'.

Happy now........!

It is not about me being happy; you should be happy now that your misgivings are set right.
Even Re-attack is a wrong phrase. RBS-15 is a fire-and-forget missile; means once they are locked on to the target, they will follow even if the target takes a non-linear flight path.
Cruise missiles like Nirbhaya, however, can be made to loiter, inspect the target without engaging. They can even be made to return.

 

[Zebra]

It is not about me being happy; you should be happy now that your misgivings are set right.

Sir, it is you who cry about it.
I am happy to use re-entry word again. For your information.

Even Re-attack is a wrong phrase. RBS-15 is a fire-and-forget missile; means once they are locked on to the target, they will follow even if the target takes a non-linear flight path.
Cruise missiles like Nirbhaya, however, can be made to loiter, inspect the target without engaging. They can even be made to return.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/rbs15.htm

..........................The long flight range, combined with the use of multiple waypoints, permits advanced tactics such as attacking from any selected direction and making use of terrain, such as islands, to mask the missile’s approach. It also gives a reattack capability.....................