Know Your 'Rafale'

[WolfPack86]

Rafale Fighter

Thales and Detection

Thales and Electronic Warfare

Thales and Mission System

 

[WolfPack86]

Conformal fuel Tanks

Rafale satellite Launching

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale Future Upgrades

Scalp Attack

 

[WolfPack86]

Sharped Eyed Rafale

Read Role

Jamming the Enemy

 

[WolfPack86]

Rafale Fighter Evaulation

 

[Tactical Frog]

Heh, thank you for posting all this stuff, @WolfPack86 ! Very comprehensive

 

[Bornubus]

Another Rafale Fanboys thread.

 

[BON PLAN]

IRST will tell you where the enemy is and whether he's there or not.

Whether you chose to attack him with MICA IR, EM or Meteor is up to you. Both versions of MICA have lock-on after launch (LOAL) mode which means you can fire an EM MICA from 50km or Meteor from even longer ranges - based on directional coordinates provided by IRST.

After releasing the missile, Rafale can maneuver away as it wishes and still maintain datalink with missile. After launch the missile can go active and acquire it's target when close.

Even if enemy aircraft knows the location of incoming missile, Rafale itself will not be detected.

So much for mental masturbation eh?

The job of IRST is to let you know where the enemies are PASSIVELY. How you chose to approach the targets or attack them varies depending on tactical scenario.

Yes, But IRST alone don't give you an information : distance of the target.

 

[BON PLAN]

OSF older version used IR and TV ways til 2013. With the new standard F3- 04T the infra red way was removed but the optical TV way was enhanced. The new OSF is superior to the older one or that would not make any sense to replace the older.

The first OSF had some reliability issues and obsolescence Pb.
New OSF is visible and near IR band IRST, and there are provisions in term of space and electrical supply to add a true IR channel.

 

[Gessler]

Yes, But IRST alone don't give you an information : distance of the target.

Yes. For that you need the laser rangefinder which is an active element.

But I'm talking about directional coordinates.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

IRST will tell you where the enemy is and whether he's there or not.

Whether you chose to attack him with MICA IR, EM or Meteor is up to you. Both versions of MICA have lock-on after launch (LOAL) mode which means you can fire an EM MICA from 50km or Meteor from even longer ranges - based on directional coordinates provided by IRST.

After releasing the missile, Rafale can maneuver away as it wishes and still maintain datalink with missile. After launch the missile can go active and acquire it's target when close.

Even if enemy aircraft knows the location of incoming missile, Rafale itself will not be detected.

So much for mental masturbation eh?

The job of IRST is to let you know where the enemies are PASSIVELY. How you

You chose to approach the targets or attack them varies depending on tactical scenario.

You are sidestepping the question issue and forgetting your own posts

The issue is what is the range of mica.IR in tail chase mode

I'd the range of mica IR in tail chase mode is less than 30/km you can't launch it a target which is 50 km away

Or you are saying it can be done ?

Also launching mica IR without target lock is foolish why?
Becaise your posts previously say that rafale uses mica sensors for IR purpose

So mica can detect mki at 130 km in tail chase mode but can't lock onto it at more than 60km ( range of mica in head on chase mode )

Can't do shit about mki at range more than 20km in tail chase mode


I told you before also that don't lie about capabilities of mica rafale

You pants will get removed and handed over to you

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Few points :
- There are two batches of OSF. First one did use IR channel, second one do not (TV is in very close IR). But OSF is a kit mounted (or not, normal or IT...) depending on misssion requirements.
- Quantum Well technology also have drawbacks(eg very low temp use and blurr)

- MICA IR sensor has a much longer range than 20 Kms. As any sensor, it depends on energy radiated by source.
- Damocles pod also used as IR detector. Next Talios pod will even have an A2A capability.

That said, there are always compromises to be done (money...). For FSO-IT, AdlA and DGA preferred the awesome TV channel (visual ID up to more than 50 Kms). I agree a full IRST channel would be a nice add on.
We do not know if it is scheduled on Indian Rafale.

The question is not about range of mica seeker

The question is about the range if mica itself in tail chase mode

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Certainly more than 20km.



I'm saying you can launch MICA-EM or even Meteor at a target more than 50km away based on directional coordinates provided by IRST (which can be combined with data passively collected by Spectra with interferometry if necessary).

I'm saying that you can use RF-guided MICA (by making use of datalink+LOAL mode) against targets originally detected by IRST (at 50km, the TV sensor can ID it), without Rafale itself having to go active.

It debunks your argument that Rafale cannot attack targets at more than 20km with just FSO (completely passive). The missile seeker on MICA-EM or Meteor can go active while Rafale itself stays passive (except datalink).



My statement is not limited to IR-MICA but also applies to EM-MICA. Both have LOAL mode.

Basically, you failed to comprehend what I said in my previous post.



That's only if your FSO does not have IRST. In this case it does.



Lol, and what can MKI do about Rafale passively??

Your arguements are foolish & biased.



I personally ripped your chaddi into pieces multiple times and still you come back to get an ass-whupping. Ok, come on.

Lol

The argument is about mica IR range in tail chase mode

If the range iin tail chase mode is 30km then mica can't do shit about mki which is flying more than 30km away in tail chase mode

Even if it can detect mki at a range of 150km in tail chase mode

 

[Gessler]

Lol

The argument is about mica IR range in tail chase mode

If the range iin tail chase mode is 30km then mica can't do shit about mki which is flying more than 30km away in tail chase mode

Even if it can detect mki at a range of 150km in tail chase mode

Why you stick with MICA-IR when I've shown to you that it can also make use of EM version?

About the IR, unless you can prove to me that :-

1) MKI can detect Rafale passively at a farther range than vice-versa

2) R-73E has a greater range than MICA-IR in tail-chase mode...

...Rafale remains superior. Sorry but there's nothing you can do to change that.

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Why you stick with MICA-IR when I've shown to you that it can also make use of EM version?

About the IR, unless you can prove to me that :-

1) MKI can detect Rafale passively at a farther range than vice-versa

2) R-73E has a greater range than MICA-IR in tail-chase mode...

...Rafale remains superior. Sorry but there's nothing you can do to change that.

Even in mica em version the key is mica range in tail chase mode

The key is the missile mica IR or em can't do shit about mki when the mki is NOT within its tail chase mode range

 

[Gessler]

The key is the missile mica IR or em can't do shit about mki when the mki is NOT within its tail chase mode range

The key is the missile R-73 or R-77 can't do shit about Rafale when the Rafale is NOT within its tail chase mode range

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

The key is the missile R-73 or R-77 can't do shit about Rafale when the Rafale is NOT within its tail chase mode range

Vstol has already proved that Russian missiles r73 r 77 have better range than mica

 

[Gessler]

Vstol has already proved that Russian missiles r73 r 77 have better range than mica

Prove that R-73E has better range than MICA-IR in tail-chase mode.

 

[BON PLAN]

Vstol has already proved that Russian missiles r73 r 77 have better range than mica

R77, Sure it has more range.
R73 : NEVER greater range than MICA. It is specially designed for short range. MICA has twice the R73 range.

 

[Tactical Frog]

Dassault Well Positioned To Supply Additional 90 Fighters To India: Eric Trappier

We will be well positioned to provide additional 90 aircraft, if New Delhi confirms its need for 126 combat aircraft, Dassault CEO Eric Trappier said.

In an interview with French news daily, Challenges, Dassault Aviation CEO Eric Trappier said Monday that, “Significant progress in the Rafale deal with India has been made and I sense a real determination to succeed, possibly in the coming weeks.”

When asked whether US competitors doing the rounds to New Delhi and proposals of assembly lines for F-16s and F-18 in India are a threat to Dassault, Trappier said, “ After the 36 fighter aircraft, all candidates including Russians, the British, Swedes and, of course, Americans are all lobbying against us. All candidates have promised assembly sites to win the following 90. Offering a factory set-up of F-16s to India even while selling the same aircraft to Pakistan, the US does not seem serious. The US has already won contracts with the Air Force for transport aircraft in particular.

Source : http://www.defenseworld.net/news/15...Fighters_To_India__Eric_Trappier#.Vx4O0Pl97IU