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The short answer is West does not want to give aviation technology to India.French yes that can be done i believe but what I think is we can exploit Russia in a better way now.... they need us badly ....
We can get all knowledge force Russian to share everythin related to FGFA even engine..... we r already paying for it why not exploit it totally...?
Defence R&D is not easy. Other nations have deployed several times the resources we have deployed to develop their weapons. The Congressi culture never favored local efforts. The imports were seen as cash generation vehicles.India is still laging behind many nations in producing AESA radar,advance EW suits ,modern avionics for which it depends heavily on foreign nations .even our kaveri engine now become a myth .so if iaf utilize some parts of these huge 30 billion dollar in R&D ,then at least 80% component for tejas can be developed indigenously .apart from that 126 no of su 30 mki will cost roughly around 10 billion dollars.so iaf can utilise the remaining fund in faster development of hal LCA mk 2 and Hal AMCA .even they can use the remaining fund for other projects like procurement of AWACS, refueling aircrafts, rustom 2 UAV,more no of special operation aircraft like c130j etc.total procurement cost of 126 Rafale will be nearly 30 billion so within this amount iaf can buy 400 no.s of su 30 mki aircraft ( or more than 500 no.s of combination of both su 30 mki and LCA mk 2). No doubt that mmrca was a prosperous and ambitious project for iaf during 2001-02 with procurement cost of 10 billion but now the situation is different. Now LCA mk 2 and fgfa will be ready in 2-3 and 5-7yr respectively. So after reading all these things, just tell me should not we give a chance to our indigenous product rather than giving a huge amount to a foreign nation .
This article is an example of writing in anger rather than writing coherently. The case presented for Rafale is hardly convincing.MMRCA an Absolute Necessity - The New Indian Express
MMRCA an Absolute Necessity
The author is a serving Air Vice Marshal in the IAF. Email: [email protected]
This article is an example of writing in anger rather than writing coherently. The case presented for Rafale is hardly convincing.
The MMRCA was started in 2001 when the situation with Su-30 was far from clear. It is not 2001 in 2014. A lot has changed.
The economic growth prospects for India and corresponding increase in IAF budget have not materialized. The financial situation is not conducive to acquisition of Rafale.
IAF has options now which it did not have earlier, that is acquiring Su-30 additional to 272 contracted already. HAL has set up a huge factory to make these planes at a good rate.
The LCA is the MMRCA. IAF needs to get out of its blurry vision and accept the reality.
The Western countries in Europe and standardizing around just one multi-role fighter, while IAF wants three.
There is a good case for a long range bomber in IAF, which is something IAF has never advanced.
What kind of bombing can IAF achieve with Rafale?? Any heavy bombing specially at long distance can only be achieved with long range heavy bombers.
What is enough for you? MMRCA is basically Western origin fighter that was conceptualized in the early days of induction of Su-30 when the status of Su-30 itself was far from clear. In 2001, LCA was far from a real fighter and Su-30 lacked many capabilities.The author is a serving Air Vice Marshal in the IAF.
This is enough for Us ..How much IAF is needy for New Platform Different from Existing Platforms.
Why would IAF call this MMRCA Tender . those western Countries are no more Hostile Countries Like in the WW2 period . they need a Fighter which Work in all Categorizes to save their Funds . Unlike other Countries they need every Kind of Fighters From Point Interception to Heavy Bombing RoleWhat is enough for you? MMRCA is basically Western origin fighter that was conceptualized in the early days of induction of Su-30 when the status of Su-30 itself was far from clear. In 2001, LCA was far from a real fighter and Su-30 lacked many capabilities.
Please write clearly. I doubt you yourself understand what you write.Why would IAF call this MMRCA Tender . those western Countries are no more Hostile Countries Like in the WW2 period . they need a Fighter which Work in all Categorizes to save their Funds . Unlike other Countries they need every Kind of Fighters From Point Interception to Heavy Bombing Role
MMRCA Requirements always same ..But generation is Different Past Mirage Now Rafale That's all ..From 2001 IAF asking a Multi role Mission Aircraft
Comparing Su 30 and Rafale is surely a Non Sense ...One is true Air Dominance Fighter other designed to do all Major Strikes with Limited Capability in some fields
Sorry for thatPlease write clearly. I doubt you yourself understand what you write.
I think Su 30 is a Air Dominance/Superiority Fighter and LCA is a Trainer/Light Attack/Point InterceptorYou fail to understand that Su-30 and LCA are both multi-role aircraft.
Russia Has Air Superiority Fighters Like Su 35 , Su 27 ,Su 30 SM along with MiG 29 . For Interception they Use the MIG 31 Fox Hound , for Ground Attack and CAS Su 25 Frogfoot . And Penetration and Heavy Strike for Su 24 Fencer . for heavy Bombing Role They use the Su 34 . these are all fall in the Fighter category . they don't have a Multi role Aircraft . MiG is trying to Modernize MiG 35 as a Multirole But it's not Met the RequirementsAn example - Russia has standardized on Su-27 variants and Mig-29 variants for its air-force. It also has heavy bombers for long range requirements.
Their Threat is nothing They don't want to Go for Again ..their Mission is Intercepting and Escorting Civilian Planes and Bombing Terrorists Hideout in Somewhere in the Middle East or AfricaEuropean countries are standardizing on just one multi-role fighter.
Rafale is practically in the same category as Su-30.
Can you back up your points with something more tangible - like specs?Sorry for that
I think Su 30 is a Air Dominance/Superiority Fighter and LCA is a Trainer/Light Attack/Point Interceptor
Russia Has Air Superiority Fighters Like Su 35 , Su 27 ,Su 30 SM along with MiG 29 . For Interception they Use the MIG 31 Fox Hound , for Ground Attack and CAS Su 25 Frogfoot . And Penetration and Heavy Strike for Su 24 Fencer . for heavy Bombing Role They use the Su 34 . these are all fall in the Fighter category . they don't have a Multi role Aircraft . MiG is trying to Modernize MiG 35 as a Multirole But it's not Met the Requirements
Their Threat is nothing They don't want to Go for Again ..their Mission is Intercepting and Escorting Civilian Planes and Bombing Terrorists Hideout in Somewhere in the Middle East or Africa
Both are different like Desktop and Laptop
Rafale Jet Deal with France Next on Modi Government's Radar - The New Indian Express
By Pradip R Sagar
Published: 30th October 2014
....Officials claim that in 2007, when the tender was floated, the cost of the programme was $12 billion (Rs 42,000 crore). When the lowest bidder was declared in January 2012, the cost of the deal shot up to $18 billion (Rs 90,000 crore). And now with inclusion of transfer of technology, life cycle cost and creating Assembly line, the deal has crossed a whopping $20 billion....
For the past seven or eight years wetern economies are battling the frightening prospect of deflation, not inflation.1) The original tender price in 2007 was far less. Please don't bluff.
2) Still I am not getting the price escalation drama here.
The point is why price escalation happens in Rafale only and at the same time price of F/A-18 E/F remain same.
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