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About west bengal, I would like give my observations:
A major chunk of voters are disillusioned with TMC and a larger chunk of that despise TMC. But BJP is nowhere even close to manipulate that emotion. Rath Yatra is well and good. But, political murders, anarchy, breakdown of law and order, breakdown of infrastructure, falling bridges, infiltration, Dhulagarh riots, Usthi riots etc. should be the points rhat are to be raised. Hindutva alone can never win WB. 4 decades of brainwashing has left a major portion of educated folks secular minded and Hindutva phobic.

There is no acceptable local leader in state BJP. Dilip Ghosh is too crass and rivals TMC goons in his attitude. Rupa Ganguli is a drama queen and an unlikable person. Babul Supriyo is a no show in the state, and when he comes, he hobnobs with TMC way too much. Surprisingly Locket is giving a good fight. And, then tyere are no one there. People simply do not know if they vote for BJP, who they would be actually voting in.

Home Ministry should straighten out some of thr IPS due to their lack of spine. Law and order is almost non-existent in WB.

Trust m. People want to vote BJP. But, as if BJP do not care. They abandoned WB in 2014 and then again at 2016. If they again do the same in 2019, it would be on BJP itself.

Btw, Bangladesh border is still like a sieve.
Rahul Sinha was decent but nowadays is like BJP doesn't want to make their presence felt!!!..
 

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In my opinion Malabar should be separated from rest of Kerala and and created as separate state . That will limit spread of jehadis to rest of Kerala and protect non Muslims in other parts of Kerala . Malabar should then be patrolled in Kashmir manner with AFSPA being applied there to protect non Muslims .

My cousin who visited Coorg last year said that jehadis are spreading to Coorg via Wayanad , so situation is grim there too .
I'm from Malabar. The day when the "minority" population here become majority, I think we'll start seeing Kashmir 2.0 [emoji3525]

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In my opinion Malabar should be separated from rest of Kerala and and created as separate state . That will limit spread of jehadis to rest of Kerala and protect non Muslims in other parts of Kerala . Malabar should then be patrolled in Kashmir manner with AFSPA being applied there to protect non Muslims .

My cousin who visited Coorg last year said that jehadis are spreading to Coorg via Wayanad , so situation is grim there too .
Allowing Travancore to remain as separate kingdom would have been better for Hindus than merging it into sekular republic of India.
 

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https://swarajyamag.com/magazine/keralas-demographic-shift-three-axes-of-change-and-salafism

Kerala’s Demographic Shift: Three Axes Of Change And Salafism
by M R Subramani - Dec 01, 2018, 3:57 pm




A mosque in Kasargod. (Wikimedia Commons)
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  • Kerala is inching towards a population imbalance that is spread across three aspects. A Salafist Muslim domination looms dangerously in the resulting cultural shift.


On 14 June 2016, Krishnendhu R Nath, an Indian, now residing in Malaysia, was travelling in Kerala’s Malappuram district when she suddenly fell sick. Nath asked for lime soda. Her husband’s friend tried to buy it from a shop on the highway. The friend was told that it was a period when Ramzan fasting was on (the eighth day of the month) and no shop there could sell soda or any eatable for that matter.

Piqued, Nath herself went and asked a shopkeeper what his problem was in selling a lime soda or lemon juice during the fasting season. She wondered what travellers would do when they are not fasting. The shopkeeper politely replied that he was eager to supply, but his shop will be destroyed after that. Nath, who recorded her nightmare in a Facebook post, said that she got similar responses from other shops too, forcing her to wonder if she was in Saudi Arabia.

The stark reality in Malappuram — where Muslims make up 70 per cent of the population — is that it is not possible now for non-Muslims — Hindus or Christians — to open shops or restaurants during Ramzan and sell eatables. Former BBC journalist and director of South Asia Studies Project at Middle East Media Research Institute in Washington, Tufail Ahmed, recording his impressions in New Age Islam, says that local Hindus have been unable to protest and have willingly accepted their position as second-class citizens or ‘dhimmis’.

Things are changing in Muslim-dominated areas in Kerala. The month of Ramzan is now called Ramadan, as in Saudi Arabia, thanks to Gulf money and its influence. The traditional veshti and lungi are being replaced by Arabian gowns, and Muslim women in Kerala are now covering themselves fully with black burqa — with the Popular Front of India (PFI) gaining a strong foothold in Muslim-dominated areas.

The situation, experts fear, is bound to aggravate, given the changing demographics of Kerala. Statistics point to the emerging ominous trend. In 1901, Hindus, numbering 43.78 lakh, made up 68.5 per cent of Kerala’s population with Muslims and Christians making up 17.5 per cent and 14 per cent respectively. By the 1960s, the Hindu population dropped to 60.9 per cent, while that of Muslims increased marginally to 17.9 per cent. Christian population expanded to 21.2 per cent.

Since then, there has been a dramatic change in the composition of Kerala’s population. In the next decade, Muslim population grew at over 35 per cent, with that of Christians and Hindus registering a growth of about 25 per cent. The growth of Hindu population has been on a downhill since then, growing by a meagre 2.29 per cent between 2001 and 2011. The phenomenal growth of Muslim population has continued, though it slowed to 12.84 per cent in the said period.

Today, Hindus make up around 55 per cent of the population (55.05 per cent in 2011 Census), Muslims 27 per cent (26.56 per cent in the Census) and Christians 18 per cent. But there is another development that has taken place in 2016 – the number of Muslim births exceeding that of Hindu births.

According to the Kerala Department of Economics and Statistics, the percentage of Muslim births topped that of Hindus at 42.55 per cent in 2016. This means, of every 100 children born in Kerala, over 42 were Muslim, while the number for Hindu children was slightly lower at 41.88. In terms of real numbers, over 2.11 lakh Muslim children were born in 2016 compared with 2.07 lakh Hindu children.

A former bureaucrat, who spoke on condition of anonymity, says Muslims will make up 40 per cent of Kerala’s population by 2030 going by the current trend in births. “There are attempts to ensure that Muslims make up over 50 per cent of the population as soon as possible. That’s why you hear stories of love jihad,” the bureaucrat said. The rising Muslim population is only one aspect of a three-dimensional problem. This issue has hogged the headlines because it is so much visible that people have seldom taken note of the other two.

The second dimension of Kerala’s changing demography is the ageing population of the state. Nearly 15 per cent of the population is above 60 years of age. A study has found that since 1981 Kerala has been adding 10 lakh elderly people to its population every year. Kerala has seen a lakh people above the age of 80 being added in every Census since 1980 until 2001. In 2011, this increased to 2 lakh — compared with 2001.

A paper prepared by S Irudaya Rajan of Centre for Development Studies, Thiruvananthapuram, and three others, says that age specific growth in Kerala has declined with the exception of 60 years and above. The most concerning aspect is that there is a negative growth in the young population of 0-14 years. And added to this, fertility and mortality rates have declined. The fact that there are 1,084 females for every 1,000 males is another problem that Kerala has to grapple with. This dimension then leaves Kerala to face the danger of having more elderly people in due course of time.

The third dimension of Kerala’s changing demography is increasing migration to Kerala. It all started at the beginning of the century when it had to bring people from the east and north-east to tap rubber in plantations. Local youth were reluctant to take up rubber-tapping due to a variety of problems, including finding brides. Later on, the state has had to depend on migrant workers to do carpentry, plumbing, construction and electrical works.

According to Gulati Institute of Finance and Taxation, in 2017 at least 35 to 40 lakh migrant workers could have been working in Kerala, though economic stagnation during 2017-18 fiscal could have resulted in some of them leaving. The state is also seeing over 20 lakh people migrating abroad every year and over 60 lakh people to other states.

Irudaya Rajan says in his paper that Kerala is bound to witness a negative growth in its native population. This means, migration is set to alter the composition of the population. The state needs these migrants in agriculture, services and construction sectors. As migrant workers are set to play a key role in Kerala’s economic growth, the change in the state’s demography could be sooner than expected. Along with Kerala, other southern states like Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh are also likely to see a transformation in their demography.

Politically, the Muslim community seems to receive patronage under the regimes of both the Congress-led United Democratic Front (UDF) and the Communist Party of India (Marxist)-led Left Democratic Front (LDF).

With the Indian Union Muslim League (IUML) calling the shots in the UDF government, its members got the key ministries, such as industries, information technology, electricity, education, panchayats and urban development. There is one advantage for the person who gets panchayat and urban/rural development as his/her portfolio. Most funds from Centre come to these ministries and the person in charge can utilise these to promote his/her party or personal agenda through schools and other institutions, including local bodies.

IUML walking away with panchayat and urban development portfolios helped it to look after its constituency of voters, mainly the Muslim community. So, most funds headed to panchayats controlled by IUML, with Muslim-run or dominated schools also getting a helping hand. In the current LDF cabinet, panchayats, rural and urban development are in the hands of A C Moideen, thus ensuring the Muslims continue to get priority in fund allocations.

Muslim domination in places like Malappuram, Kasaragod, Kannur and Kozhikode has left Christians worried too, as these districts are seeing young Muslims attracted to the extremist Salafist ideology. Two years ago, a procession taken out by Hindus to celebrate Krishna Jayanthi faced stiff resistance from these elements.

A Christian family in north Kerala says that non-Muslims in the region are more concerned over growing Salafism, with youth aggressively backing organisations like Islamic State (IS). In July 2016, 21 people left Kerala to join IS in Syria. All the 21 were well educated — some of them even doctors — and came from influential backgrounds. It later emerged that these 21 were promised ‘good postings’ in the areas controlled by IS.

At least four of the 21 are dead, while what happened to the other 17 is not known. Unfortunately, the courts aren’t viewing the issue with the required seriousness. At least two people who were deported to India from the war-torn areas controlled by IS have been acquitted by the Kerala High Court, which said that supporting such terrorist ideology is not waging a war against the state.

Love jihad and entry of women of all ages into the Sabarimala Ayyappa temple are other issues that are seeing the changing demography and simultaneous appeasement by state government come into play with full force. In the Hadiya case, the Supreme Court failed to take note of a very important aspect. Hadiya was born Akhila Ashokan but converted to Islam. When she was under the care of a woman Zainaba, who has links with PFI, she was married off to a Muslim, Shafin Jehan. When Hadiya’s father petitioned the Kerala High Court, the marriage was annulled. But the Supreme Court overturned the ruling and allowed Hadiya to go with Jehan. How can a caretaker or guardian marry off a girl without informing the parents when it is not a case of love?

Amid the current controversy of women’s entry into Sabarimala temple, Rehana Fathima trekked up the hill in an attempt to break the age-old tradition, backed by the Pinarayi Vijayan government’s police. Unfortunately for her, the devotees held firm and the temple tantri, too, threatened to close the shrine, forcing her to back pedal.

So, Kerala is growing older, is witnessing more migrants coming in, and is growing more Muslim each decade. All of this, meanwhile, comes against the backdrop of appeasement politics of both the LDF and the UDF. And regarding appeasement, history is unambiguous — it only makes the aggressor more aggressive. If such is the state of affairs when Muslims make up less than 27 per cent of the population, what does Kerala have in store when that number goes above 30?
South Indians can curse at Biharis and other north Indian migrants as much as we want. When the muslim demographic bomb explodes, Hindu north Indian migrants will be our only saviors.
 

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Allowing Travancore to remain as separate kingdom would have been better for Hindus than merging it into sekular republic of India.
u dont know anything about indian subcontinents history........muslims 1st came to india from kerala by ships......one of the oldest mosque in world is in kerala not Pakistan. 1st mass conversion of hindu to Christen was done in south india
 

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South Indians can curse at Biharis and other north Indian migrants as much as we want. When the muslim demographic bomb explodes, Hindu north Indian migrants will be our only saviors.
Because of their higher Hindu population than southeess?
 

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Because of their higher Hindu population than southeess?
Yes. About 90% of the North Indian migrants I've seen in Chennai are Hindus. With the fast declining birth rate of South Indian Hindus, north Indian Hindu migration is the only solution to counterbalance Islamic birth rates down South.
 

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Yes. About 90% of the North Indian migrants I've seen in Chennai are Hindus. With the fast declining birth rate of South Indian Hindus, north Indian Hindu migration is the only solution to counterbalance Islamic birth rates down South.
Hindu women folk are too much educated. Most of them not willing to have babies before 30 yrs and not more than two. Some restrict strictly to one.
Where as muzzie woman have no such options. Their voice will be suppressed the moment they raise.
 

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Yes. About 90% of the North Indian migrants I've seen in Chennai are Hindus. With the fast declining birth rate of South Indian Hindus, north Indian Hindu migration is the only solution to counterbalance Islamic birth rates down South.
You haven't seen much then . Most are Bangladeshi Muslims Bengali or Bihari muslims. 4 out of 10 are muslims atleast that is my experience down south.
 

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Down South in villages there is lot of issues like caste superstition untouchability etc.

Things we believe dont exist any more exist there. Freebies and Communism is deeply loved by them Christians are seen as progressive as well as better than us . Color based discrimination is rampant.

Add to it Brahmin superiority cvomplex.

And at the same time you'll find that people from the dalit community have two extremes one is super religious Hindu others are usual BHEEMTE TYPE ready to be christians.

Islam isn't considered good but people fear the backlash as many still believe their good deeds and nature can change muslims.

I must say though christians are pretty solid to their faith and their family generally shows no friction when it comes to marry a hindu girl or of other faith . But off course their girl shouldn't go to heathens .
 

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u dont know anything about indian subcontinents history........muslims 1st came to india from kerala by ships......one of the oldest mosque in world is in kerala not Pakistan. 1st mass conversion of hindu to Christen was done in south india
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You haven't seen much then . Most are Bangladeshi Muslims Bengali or Bihari muslims. 4 out of 10 are muslims atleast that is my experience down south.
Perhaps we have different experiences. I have many relatives in the construction business who use Bihari migrants for their work. All of the workers I've seen till now are Hindus.
 

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You haven't seen much then . Most are Bangladeshi Muslims Bengali or Bihari muslims. 4 out of 10 are muslims atleast that is my experience down south.
Yes illegal migration from BD, they come and settle in cities.
 

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Yes illegal migration from BD
this is the biggest issue for kerala since long.......commies nd khangress is allowing this for muzzie votes. my beautiful keralal will burn:crying: like kashmir. i was hoping since long that they will seal that BD border and will stop the cockroaches reaching our place. but no, nothing has been done. wen gen rawat said its a big problm the libtard backlash on him was phenomenal. more than porkistn border, BD is the real issue.
 

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https://www.opindia.com/2019/04/cle...-secular-parties-and-keep-fascist-forces-out/

Clerics from WB write 10,000 letters, tell Muslims to vote as a block for ‘secular parties’ and keep ‘fascist forces’ out
While the letter itself does not mention any political party, in the comment made to DNA and otherwise, it is evident that Mili Council in West Bengal is batting for "secular" TMC against "communal" BJP.

Imams and clerics of TMC ruled West Bengal under the banner of All India Milli Council have reportedly written 10,000 letters to Muslim voters of West Bengal to vote unitedly as a bloc and choose a ‘secular government’ over ‘communal forces’.

The letters have been sent by the state chapter of All India Milli Council, signed by Qari Fazlur Rahman, the imam who leads Eid namaz at Red Road, the highest conglomeration of Muslims for Eid namaz and Maulana Shafique Qasmi, imam of Nakhoda Masjid. While Rahman is the president of the council’s Bengal chapter, Qasmi is the vice-president.

The letters urge Muslim voters in West Bengal to “not make a mistake” in 2019. It also urges Muslim voters to not let their votes get divided and vote for a candidate of “secular parties” who has the highest chance of winning from their constituency. They urge Muslim voters to not let their votes divide lest it benefits “fascist forces”.


“We’ve appealed to Muslims to use the opportunity carefully so that no communal force in the country can raise its head and a secular force is voted to power,” Rahman told DNA

Talking to DNA, when asked about who among the “secular parties” should Muslims choose in West Bengal, the Imam said that in West Bengal, it is the ruling TMC party that has the maximum chance of winning and so, Muslims should not split their vote by voting for other ‘secular’ parties that don’t have a chance as this would help ‘fascist forces’.

Reportedly, the Mili Council is writing such letters in all states urging Muslims to vote en masse for “secular” forces. They are also using sermons and meetings to drill the point across to the Muslim electorate.

“Last time we saw how the division of Muslim votes helped fascist forces come to power. We are asking Muslims not to waste their vote and make it count. Fascist forces are damaging the secular structure of the country, where Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and Christians live side by side”, Imam said speaking to Indian Express.

While the letter itself does not mention any political party, in the comment made to DNA and otherwise, it is evident that Mili Council in West Bengal is batting for “secular” TMC against “communal” BJP.

The Imams of West Bengal have always issued ridiculous statements. In 2017, Shahi Imam of West Bengal had offered a reward to anyone who would shave PM Modi’s head and beard.
 

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https://www.timesnownews.com/india/...gencies-warn-of-sri-lanka-like-attacks/408655

ISIS poster says ‘coming soon’ in Bengali, security agencies 'warn of Sri Lanka-like attacks'

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Updated Apr 28, 2019 | 19:06 IST | Times Now Digital

A pro-ISIS Telegram channel has released a poster in Bengali saying ‘coming soon’ indicating that the terror outfit is planning something big either in Bangladesh or West Bengal.

Policemen stand guard in Colombo, Sri Lanka | Photo Credit: IANS
New Delhi: A pro-Islamic State Telegram channel released a poster in Bengali saying “coming soon” indicating that the Salafi jihadist terrorist group is planning a major attack in either Bangladesh or West Bengal.

The poster which was released on Thursday night reads "Shighroi Aschhe, Inshallah..." and features the logo of Al Mursalat.

Islamic State has a strong presence in Bangladesh and has the support of a local terror outfit Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh (New-JMB).

This is a major cause of concern for the intelligence agencies of both the countries as according to Intel reports recruiters affiliated to the JMB have recruited and established hideouts in Kolkata, parts of West Bengal and neighbouring states.

A few years ago, a local JMB sleeper cell put up posters in several districts of West Bengal urging youths to join the terrorist organisation.

Indian security agencies are taking this matter seriously as recently the ISIS had claimed to carry out eight deadly blasts in neighbouring Sri Lanka through a local outfit National Thowheed Jamath or NTJ

Days after the coordinated serial blasts, the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack in which over 253 people lost their lives while hundreds were injured.

Nine suicide bombers targeted churches and prominent hotels during Easter Sunday. After the blasts, Sri Lankan security agencies arrested 106 suspects, including a Tamil medium teacher and a school principal.

Days after the blasts Sri Lanka banned the NTJ and a splinter group linked to the ISIS.

The relative peace which the Indian Ocean island nation had enjoyed since the end of a decade long civil war was shattered after the deadly serial blasts.

India had warned Sri Lankan intelligence officials about an imminent attack hours before the serial blasts but the inaction by the Sri Lankan government led to multiple deaths and injuries.

Meanwhile, India issued an advisory asking its nationals to avoid "non-essential travel" to Sri Lanka
 

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