Kashmir Fateh Thread August 2019

[Bhadra]

The best way for China to "contain" India is better access to India, not encirclement. India-China bilateral trade dwarfs China-Pakistan and the long-term economic impact of CPEC by an order of magnitude. This trade will only get better for China with projects such as SWSR.

The current status-quo is China's worst bet, as it is geared toward pushing India further away from China, into the western sphere of influence, and CPEC being a blackhole for Chinese money. They neither achieve containment of India, nor the kind of trade they want.

For India, SWSR is a ticket to easily taking back PoK, and building energy linkages with Central Asia. The cost of giving China land access through India is outweighed by the benefits of India's physical access to Central Asia (and Russia). It will give India its first real energy source other than the Middle East.

If China bites, this will be the first real opportunity for China to kick the west out of Asia.

If this is the line of thinking then why not provide a direct and easy access through Siliguri corridor which can connect India. bangladesh, Bhutan and Nepal. Kunming is still far off and old stillwell road is no good.

Any direct access to China would be historical blunder of gigantic proportion much greater than Nehru heaped on India in a Socialist Garb by supporting Chinese annexation of Tibet. China responded by breaking history of Chinese ever being a threat to India.

Is not the CPEC itself sufficient enough to pose a grave threat to India that you want another one ??

 

[Bhadra]

Continued

C-130 dropping night supplies

Thanks for those clips.

Imagine the lack of oxygen at that height, the wind and chill ...... It would freeze the para trooper by the time he touches down.... also the drift may take him far away..

Apart from Indian Army Paratroopers, only US and Russian Special Forces are known to have participated in joint exercises there.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

BRICS is a failed idea, for now.
Brazilians(the people) have no clue about India, so the general perception is negative.

If you come across any positive articles/opeds about India from Brazil,you can post it here. I have no issues changing my opinion.

Well, it's only us DFIans who suddenly got interested in what Brazilians think about us out of curiosity.

For obvious reasons of India having more global prominence than Brazil, Brazilians will care much more about India than Indians on average would ever do (case of defence enthusiasts however is always different who are knowledgeable and know about most of countries in world). Brazil however still is a prominent country for a large part world because they are known for "FOOTBALL" (their regional power status is totally nullified by Americans).

We had a number of Brazilian & South African members on DFI few years back.

On average, there are "famous" countries in the world who have their own "image". Like USA, UK, China, Japan, France, India, Russia, Korea, South Africa, middle east or Europe/Africa as a whole.

The above entities I have listed up are most famous & "involved" places who make most of news around (yes, India also). Their "degree of fame" is same around the "unbothered" countries. From Egypt to Chile, they hear same amount of good/bad news about India as per degree or India's fame.
It would be no different for Brazil but they really care about their tag of "emerging power", hyphenate themselves with China & India and see themselves in same light given similar image of urban landscape of India & Brazil in popular media. So, they may be a bit more interested than us.

I have observed same with online & offline diasporas of all countries I've encountered till date.

Yeah, exceptional damns are given about you in your neighboring countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal), countries whose people are obsessed with you for historical reasons (UK) or countries whose people might have a soft & friendly image of you (for past or current alliances) like Russia or countries who are empathic towards you and see you as "same people as us" (Brazil, Indonesia and Philippines).

South Africans have a "pro-south" kind of sentiment where they support Brazil, India and South Africa (a Brazilian named @IBSA is here) and India is largest trade partner of Nigeria with various Indian companies operating there and lot of Nigerian expatriates in India.

India's pace of all dimensional development and poverty eradication since 90s is well lauded in crises ridden west Africa. That's why people of Ghana, the only improving country in that region calls itself a "mini India" proudly (in online fights, Nigerians abuse both India and Ghana when Ghanians say so).

Overall India is well known country (its politics may not be before it's an aggressive power) to countries we have nothing to do with and prominent in countries we bother about. People of Brazil give as much damns about India as much they should.

The bad image part section is strictly confined in societies of UK & Australia etc.. I have worked with a white Brazilian for personal experience (worked for full days for months, stayed in same hotel and he was good) but as he's an individual, I don't think I'm rightful to speak about whole community.
Overall community still sounds very pro India to me as per online encounters.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Is not the CPEC itself sufficient enough to pose a grave threat to India that you want another one ??

The love for China is still strong in many people's hearts... If anything the Chinese should act in good faith and provide more market access to indian pharma and services companies. All they want to do is debilitate India's already non substantial manufacturing capabilities still further, to weaken India further..

 

[Brimstone]

UNGA session opens today.
Things should get interesting here onwards.
Pak will try their level best to make use of this general assembly to get some international eyes on Kashmir.

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Let them vent. Also, it'll be interesting to see the response of other nations. We'll know the extent of our influence

 

[sorcerer]

Indian forces launch grenades, foil Pakistan SSG infiltration bid along Hajipur border | Watch
Pakistan has mobilised a number of BAT teams of soldiers and terrorists close to posts opposite to multiple locations along the Line of Control near Uri, Keran, Poonch, Mendhar and Naushera sector. In the same areas Pakistan SSG has also been deployed. A number of infiltrations have been attempted in the past months while 2-3 specific instances of BAT action were foiled by the Indian forces.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ation-bid-in-hajipur-watch-1600296-2019-09-18

 

[sorcerer]

Amit Shah cites Ramayana to warn about the ..

Shah was referring to Lord Ram’s prayers for three days on the sea shore as he fasted and meditated, praying to the sea god, Varuna, to help him find a way to cross to Lanka. Finding no response, Ram shot arrows into the sea, leading to death of several creatures after which Varuna responded to his request.
Earlier, speaking at the 46th National Management Convention held by All India Management Association, Shah spoke about the bold decision-making on national security and said though Indians feel proud when steps like surgical strikes and air strikes are taken, it is a fine line that the government has to tread and ensure that nothing goes wrong. “Modi government will not compromise even a bit on national security. This is amply evident again in the bold decision of removing Articles 370 in J&K,” he said.

विनय न मानत जलधि जड़,गए तीन दिन बीत। बोले राम सकोप तब,भय बिन होत न प्रीत ।।
धीरे-धीरे रे मना, धीरे सब कुछ होय, माली सींचे सौ घड़ा, ॠतु आए फल होय।

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-consequences-of-war/articleshow/71176379.cms

 

[Bhadra]

Has this anything to do with the IBGs ? The one in October in Arunachal would test the IBGs..

Yes you seems to be right.

But IBG means Integrated .. So what is there to integrate??

For plains and deserts you basically integrate the infantry, macganissed infantry and armour. Other elements such as artillary, engineers and services always remain integral either with Infantry or armour There is no mechanised infantry and armour for 90 percent of our Himalayn borders so there actually is no integration there.

Yes. swift and more mobile dedicated strike infantry groups can be created based on helicopters or light vehicles or animal transport (their time is not over yet) or very light infiltration groups. For all practical purposes they remain mountain Infantry groups....... Kar chale ham fida types....

 

[Atmi Quwwat]

Just a thought...
anyone notice how useless the libtard influencers and lutyens gang was to the nation since aug 5th? it seems their political ideology was more important to them than helping the nation with the counter narrative with foreign press.

Art. 370 abrogation was a planned exercise, imagine if there was a real unexpected crisis. safe to assume they will also be useless incase of a real danger to the country too.

what a useless bunch, these a-holes are!!! so far i was giving benefit of doubt to these libtards, assuming that they might have political difference but they will stand with the nation when needed. apparently not.

edit: exception being rahul pandita, then again we have to wait and watch if his ideology is more important to him or correcting the narrative of kashmiri pandits at world stage. there are many to serve his ideology, but there very few KPs who can go out and tell their story to the world and it has been long overdue.

I like that beautiful manlet k/a kavita Krishnan.
Hariyanvi guys would die to marry that creature.

Ok.. now i get why they troll Indians with bobs and vagena stuff

who? Paki madarjaat? They are world famous for perversion. Funny thing is they have well organised gangs to do all kind of perverse things. Bobs and vagena are vanilla to them.
Bacchabazi, pedophilia, beastility....you name it, gandus do all kinda filthy stuff

 

[Atmi Quwwat]

Wow, Simply awesome !

Post reported for excessive awesomeness.

 

[Bhadra]

Well, it's only us DFIans who suddenly got interested in what Brazilians think about us out of curiosity.

For obvious reasons of India having more global prominence than Brazil, Brazilians will care much more about India than Indians on average would ever do (case of defence enthusiasts however is always different who are knowledgeable and know about most of countries in world). Brazil however still is a prominent country for a large part world because they are known for "FOOTBALL" (their regional power status is totally nullified by Americans).

We had a number of Brazilian & South African members on DFI few years back.

On average, there are "famous" countries in the world who have their own "image". Like USA, UK, China, Japan, France, India, Russia, Korea, South Africa, middle east or Europe/Africa as a whole.

The above entities I have listed up are most famous & "involved" places who make most of news around (yes, India also). Their "degree of fame" is same around the "unbothered" countries. From Egypt to Chile, they hear same amount of good/bad news about India as per degree or India's fame.
It would be no different for Brazil but they really care about their tag of "emerging power", hyphenate themselves with China & India and see themselves in same light given similar image of urban landscape of India & Brazil in popular media. So, they may be a bit more interested than us.

I have observed same with online & offline diasporas of all countries I've encountered till date.

Yeah, exceptional damns are given about you in your neighboring countries (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal), countries whose people are obsessed with you for historical reasons (UK) or countries whose people might have a soft & friendly image of you (for past or current alliances) like Russia or countries who are empathic towards you and see you as "same people as us" (Brazil, Indonesia and Philippines).

South Africans have a "pro-south" kind of sentiment where they support Brazil, India and South Africa (a Brazilian named @IBSA is here) and India is largest trade partner of Nigeria with various Indian companies operating there and lot of Nigerian expatriates in India.

India's pace of all dimensional development and poverty eradication since 90s is well lauded in crises ridden west Africa. That's why people of Ghana, the only improving country in that region calls itself a "mini India" proudly (in online fights, Nigerians abuse both India and Ghana when Ghanians say so).

Overall India is well known country (its politics may not be before it's an aggressive power) to countries we have nothing to do with and prominent in countries we bother about. People of Brazil give as much damns about India as much they should.

The bad image part section is strictly confined in societies of UK & Australia etc.. I have worked with a white Brazilian for personal experience (worked for full days for months, stayed in same hotel and he was good) but as he's an individual, I don't think I'm rightful to speak about whole community.
Overall community still sounds very pro India to me as per online encounters.

I really do not know what a Brazilian mangoman thinks about India but all those people think very high of Indian Army....

You are surprised ? Should not be. India is the largest contributor to UN peace keeping forces all over the world where Indian forces do get sufficient exposure to working with other third world prominent Armies (the first world does not contribute with troops and rarely with officers). Brazilians are amonst prominent contributors.

In one of the largest mission what I experienced was the difference between the Portuguese Army and their gestures towards Indians. To say any thing further, I must say that all UN missions all over are generally run on the strength and professional qualities of Indian or when not Indians then Pakistani officers who provide backbone of the staff and command lines of the mission. Everyone from all over the world takes them friendly but professional very seriously.

Portuguese are very racist and take a historic view towards India specially a belligerent view due to legacy of Goa. I met many very senior ranking Portuguese Generals on their visit to the mission who were born in Goa and had their roots in Goa. They did appear a little aloof. The attitude of Brazilian soldiers and officers towards local population was also a littl Colonial in attitude because that country happened to be a former Portuguese colony.

The Brazilian Portuguese on the other hand , had no such inhibitions. They were a little racist but their Army had lot many blacks - not a single black officer though. Thier relation with local population specially with females was very friendly and prejudice free. Language being one of the reasons. They were friendly with Indians. However their staunch catholic background did matter to them.

Indians were still freindly "Indiano amogo" amongst the populace and a few Pakistanis were also called"Indiano amigo" without any Pakistani having any objection to it.

Brazilians are much friendly and less racists than their neighbouring Latinos.

Some one also commented on Nigeria in the previous columns. Well Nigeria - Pakistan outside Pakistan....

 

[tarunraju]

These will be the journalists reporting the truth from the frontlines in the war to come, not presstitutes like barkha or rahul kanwal.

 

[Bhadra]

The love for China is still strong in many people's hearts... If anything the Chinese should act in good faith and provide more market access to indian pharma and services companies. All they want to do is debilitate India's already non substantial manufacturing capabilities still further, to weaken India further..

I tend to agree with you except for Pharma .... for which India is over dependant on China.
India is a largest importer of API from China which is the backbone of Indian Pharma Industry. I do not know why Indian companies do not indulge into API production. Probably due to being less profitable.

We have many advantages over China but fail to exploit it.

 

[ezsasa]

Just a thought...
anyone notice how useless the libtard influencers and lutyens gang was to the nation since aug 5th? it seems their political ideology was more important to them than helping the nation with the counter narrative with foreign press.

Art. 370 abrogation was a planned exercise, imagine if there was a real unexpected crisis. safe to assume they will also be useless incase of a real danger to the country too.

what a useless bunch, these a-holes are!!! so far i was giving benefit of doubt to these libtards, assuming that they might have political difference but they will stand with the nation when needed. apparently not.

edit: exception being rahul pandita, then again we have to wait and watch if his ideology is more important to him or correcting the narrative of kashmiri pandits at world stage. there are many to serve his ideology, but there very few KPs who can go out and tell their story to the world and it has been long overdue.

Adding further to my earlier post...

One common theme among these libtard influencers is that they at one point or other promote the utopian idea of “global citizen”.

Examples:
1) their concern for Brazilian rain forests, similar MO adopted against aarey colony protest recently
2) LGBT..xyz rights, and similar MO theme adopted here in India
3) their derision towards Hinduism, MO similar to how Catholic Church was derided in the west
4) islamophobia theme, same MO as in the west..

Etc etc..

These are global themes, which is a continuation of the concept of “global citizen”.

But is abundantly clear that these themes are being designed and initiated in places like new York and London, and are flowing in only one direction. Very little of the ideas are flowing from rest of the globe back to New York and London. So it a one way street, where desi libtard influencers are being used as salesman without any stake in the narrative. We already know that there are sales incentives for these libtard influencers in the form of NGO funds, foreign citizen ship, book deals etc etc..

I say it’s time to make these libtard influencers realise that these guys are just “useful idiots” and nothing else.

Probably they could benefit more in the long run, if they use their brains to sell the India story back to the globe. Else they would forever be begging for scraps from their white masters..

 

[Bleh]

why release this series of footage suddenly now ?
First those ssg rats being bombarded with
Grenades ,now this.

Ok I edited my post this is from a camera left by porks when they ran back hastily to their nearest post when challenged by own troops.

Problem finally understood from the BLA ragtags, that actual video footage & photographic evidence works better than hollow claims.

 

[ezsasa]

These will be the journalists reporting the truth from the frontlines in the war to come, not presstitutes like barkha or rahul kanwal.

Welcome step.. but unless these journos are able to identify military equipment without using internet, I’d say they have long way to go..

Let’s hope for the best..

 

[Bhadra]

These will be the journalists reporting the truth from the frontlines in the war to come, not presstitutes like barkha or rahul kanwal.

"Defence Correspondence Course" ... How lovely ... Thandi Hawa ka jhonka ...

I hope in near future our media outlets will cease to call a Lt Gen as Lieutenant Sahib.....

 

[Kiran Ks]

Now Jharkhand CM joins the band. Day by day, the number of comments from cabinet ministers, prominent BJP leaders etc increasing regarding PoK. Think there is a plan in place already. Hope so at least

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I like that beautiful manlet k/a kavita Krishnan.
Hariyanvi guys would die to marry that creature.

Yuck!

who? Paki madarjaat?

Britards.............

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Now Jharkhand CM joins the band. Day by day, the number of comments from cabinet ministers, prominent BJP leaders etc increasing regarding PoK. Think there is a plan in place already. Hope so at least

There is really a plan. Not years but few months.
Only some unexpected diplomatic shift can stop Indian government to swiftly attack & occupy PoK one day.

I won't tell the source.