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Re: Firing at ASF camp; Karachi airport flight operations suspended

And yet you rant about debates not being productive here and blaming it on DFI moderation.

No straight up answers from your end to hard questions deliberately broken down to avoid being misunderstood, not surprising at all.:rolleyes:
Is a hotel a civil or military target
 

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Is a hotel a civil or military target

Many hotels are run by military in Pakistan. Catering to both civil and military ( sometimes exclusive) guests.
 

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Is a hotel a civil or military target
Hotel here as a civilian structure. Tourists and locals stay and have a good time. Consider a luxurious hotel for example.
 

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Re: Firing at ASF camp; Karachi airport flight operations suspended

Again, rephrasing :

Those who attack civilian targets as per you are terrorists - that you already answered.

So those who attack civilian targets like hotels will be terrorists - yes?
Agencies who back such groups and individuals so directly support terrorism - yes?
Countries who back such agencies export terrorism - yes?

Waiting.
I know where this is going and I will not waste my time answering this bs.

I regard AFSPA is state sponsored terrorism. Unless you are willing to accept it there is no use discussing or.defining terrorism.
 

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I know where this is going and I will not waste my time answering this bs.

I regard AFSPA is state sponsored terrorism. Unless you are willing to accept it there is no use discussing or.defining terrorism.
Why so paranoid?

Was it ever mentioned in this scenario specifically about which hotel, which agency that backs terrorism or which country? Yet, you directly jumped to Kashmir and India.

Thanks for playing!
 

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Re: Firing at ASF camp; Karachi airport flight operations suspended

Why so paranoid?

Was it ever mentioned in this scenario specifically about which hotel, which agency that backs terrorism or which country? Yet, you directly jumped to Kashmir and India.

Thanks for playing!
That's for him is an example of meaningful and rationale discussion, straight out of western fora like WAB
 

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sorry for using wrong words, I have to say change of form of rule
The Pakistani army has convinced the public that a single guy allegedly hiding in Kunar has single-handedly managed to spook the entire nation into a state of mass hysteria. It is a lot cheaper than exterminating TTP from North Waziristan where thousands of them have taken refuge. Now no one will ask the important questions such as why were the ASF using fraudulent bomb detection equipment (the guy who's company sold them is in jail right now) and why are Pakistani commandos not equipped with night vision goggles?
 

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That's for him is an example of meaningful and rationale discussion, straight out of western fora like WAB
Already knew the outcome. Just wanted to highlight the fact that it isn't DFI moderation that deteriorates the quality of debates here. But then, playing the victim card is so much easy rather then engage in hard facts.
 

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I'm not sure you can pick and choose here. If they're born in Pakistan then they're Pakistani by birthright; besides I'm sure by now lot of refugees have local spouses which further strengthens the claim of their offspring.

The idea here is that all of these people regardless of where they're from have to be convinced that their philosophy is categorically misplaced.
Just wanted to add children born to refugees in the soil of host country don't automatically become the citizens of host countries. Only a few country follow citizenship by birth rule for refugee born children, majority don't.
 

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Already knew the outcome. Just wanted to highlight the fact that it isn't DFI moderation that deteriorates the quality of debates here. But then, playing the victim card is so much easy rather then engage in hard facts.
Lol, playing the victim card is an Indian invesntion and an important part of your media. :laugh:
 

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Lol, playing the victim card is an Indian invesntion and an important part of your media. :laugh:
Deflection works when in a discussion and that too for some time only. You missed the boat son.
 

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Just wanted to add children born to refugees in the soil of host country don't automatically become the citizens of host countries. Only a few country follow citizenship by birth rule for refugee born children, majority don't.
In most cases where citizenship at birth is not bestowed, say in the case of Middle Eastern countries, expatriates are made to sign contracts and there is a strict record keeping of births. Also a child becomes eligible for citizenship if one of the parent is local. Nobody has kept birth records of children born to Afghan refugees. Many Afghans took local spouses and given the social practice of child bearing at early age they are now ushering in the third generation. Like it or not these individuals must be considered Pakistani.
 

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Re: Firing at ASF camp; Karachi airport flight operations suspended

All militants are.terrorists and militancy against civil targets is never an option or solution.
So Pak Army is a Terrorist! Terrorists wearing uniform.

But for you civilian is the first option to strike since your HIJRA PAK Army has experienced shameful defeat when it tries to fight IA head on.

So you are burning in your own fire and ALLAH is punishing you.

Also you are not putting water where the fire is and thats the problem with Pakis, so burn in your own fire and cry like a baby! :lol:

 

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Re: Firing at ASF camp; Karachi airport flight operations suspended

So Pak Army is a Terrorist! Terrorists wearing uniform.

But for you civilian is the first option to strike since your HIJRA PAK Army has experienced shameful defeat when it tries to fight IA head on.

So you are burning in your own fire and ALLAH is punishing you.

Also you are not putting water where the fire is and thats the problem with Pakis, so burn in your own fire and cry like a baby! :lol:

@Neo is like
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Your thoughts are in line with what I have been reading in foreign (non Pakistani) media. Though its not a secret that we are very religious people, I have no doubt our armed forces and their loyalties. Sure, there will be some rotten eggs but its would not be.more than a handful. My family is serving in the armed forces, we ocassionally discuss matters like this but theoriea about extremism within the armed forces has always been defused.

We are fed up with terrorists and islamism, we want to live a normal life and progress like any other nation.
Biggest problem is a corrupt and spineless government, weak policies and the factions within the terrorist groups which keep multiplying. Where and whom do you start fighting?
This is what I use to think too; but after seeing the outfall from the Shahbaz Bhatti and Salmaan Taseer assassinations (among other things) I changed my mind. For one, it became blatantly clear that the distorted notions of religious extremism had proliferated significantly wider than I had ever anticipated. It also became apparent that the standard dream of economic progress and social mobility was limited to a small section of the urban elite. This may very well have to do with a class distinctions because any "hope" offered by the economic setup of Pakistan is limited only to the few who potentially stand to benefit from it. The overwhelming majority of the masses are excluded from having any such hopes and aspirations. In the end I think this will come down to a battle of civilizations and unfortunately religion will be on the wrong side.

This is an interesting topic which deserves a lot of debate and I would be particularly interested in what guys like Agnostic Muslim have to say. Unfortunately any such debate is unlikely to occur on this forum.
 
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@Neo is like
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Actually I am not because idiots like him are hurting the image of this forum and your country aswell.
This only proves your unhealthy obsession with Pakistan, nothing else.

I usually ignore such utterings. :toilet:
 
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This is what I use to think too; but after seeing the outfall from the Shahbaz Bhatti and Salmaan Taseer assassinations (among other things) I changed my mind. For one, it became blatantly clear that the distorted notions of religious extremism had proliferated significantly wider than I had ever anticipated. It also became apparent that the standard dream of economic progress and social mobility was limited to a small section of the urban elite. This may very well have to do with a class distinctions because any "hope" offered by the economic setup of Pakistan is limited only to the few who potentially stand to benefit from it. The overwhelming majority of the masses are excluded from having any such hopes and aspirations. In the end I think this will come down to a battle of civilizations and unfortunately religion will be on the wrong side.

This is an interesting topic which deserves a lot of debate and I would be particularly interested in what guys like Agnostic Muslim have to say. Unfortunately any such debate is unlikely to occur on this forum.
I hear what you say and I know where its coming from. Media is a very powerful weapon.

You will change your opinion if you ever managed to travel across Pakistan and see the common life in different layers of the society. Boys dream of money and a visa for some rich fireign country and the girls want to marry a rich guy. They are religious, offer prayers and everything but there is still something different about the picture: the youth doesn't support the religious parties. As a matter of fact they resent talebans because they will have to compromise a lot on their freedom if taleban took over. In Karachi many wear a beard to be safe on the street, not.because of sunna. 50% of Pakistans population is under 25.

Clash od civilisation is imminent and I think apakistan is ready for a.revolution, something more than Arab Spring. First I used to believe that we would need a leader to have this revolution.but.the way our society and specially.security is detriorating, it won't take long for the youth to trigger civil disobedience and come to.the street. If that happens, I will be the first to go back.to Pajistan.
 

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I hear what you say and I know where its coming from. Media is a very powerful weapon.

You will change your opinion if you ever managed to travel across Pakistan and see the common life in different layers of the society. Boys dream of money and a visa for some rich fireign country and the girls want to marry a rich guy. They are religious, offer prayers and everything but there is still something different about the picture: the youth doesn't support the religious parties. As a matter of fact they resent talebans because they will have to compromise a lot on their freedom if taleban took over. In Karachi many wear a beard to be safe on the street, not.because of sunna. 50% of Pakistans population is under 25.

Clash od civilisation is imminent and I think apakistan is ready for a.revolution, something more than Arab Spring. First I used to believe that we would need a leader to have this revolution.but.the way our society and specially.security is detriorating, it won't take long for the youth to trigger civil disobedience and come to.the street. If that happens, I will be the first to go back.to Pajistan.
The 50% old terrorist pakis are making 50% young pakis radical making your country 100% terrorist or like you say non-state actors.

Pakistan is the first country with 100% non-state actors.

No one is safe in pakistan to roam in streets not a single cricket team or sports team or whatever team will not visit pakistan.

Only deeper than mountain and higher than sea friends visit pakistan.

Like i said you people breed like pigs and then donate one of the offspring to terrorist for say 1.5lakhs like in case of kasab.

Pakistan is the shit hole of Humanity.
 
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And why would.I.do.that? India is not the center of my universe, we have bigger demons to fight if you don't mind.
India is a small demon then? We all know that Saudi Arabia is the center of a Pakistani's universe
 

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