KALI 5000 - Enemy Missiles - Here we come!

[gokulakannan]

^^^ i think the problem is supplying of high current(one gigawatt)is a major challenge for us.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

^^^ i think the problem is supplying of high current(one gigawatt)is a major challenge for us.

The problem is not supplying the high current but of weaponizing the system, making it compact and mobile enough to be used in different locations. No news has been released fo almost 10 years about this weapon, many of these issues may possibly have even been solved and it may even be ready to go??

 

[proud_hindustani]

Is USA the only country in the world to have weapons that release laser to destroy incoming missiles?

What are other nations beside USA and India that have been trying to develop such weapons...Russia? China?

 

[gokulakannan]

Is USA the only country in the world to have weapons that release laser to destroy incoming missiles?

What are other nations beside USA and India that have been trying to develop such weapons...Russia? China?

i got this link when googling

China advancing laser weapons program

 

[LETHALFORCE]

it was rumored to that a chinese ground laser etched something in Chinese on a US satellite don't know how true this is??

 

[Koji]

it was rumored to that a chinese ground laser etched something in Chinese on a US satellite don't know how true this is??

I think this might me a rumor, but they have a robust program for the use of ground laser temporarily blinding satellites.

 

[bengalraider]

The problem is not supplying the high current but of weaponizing the system, making it compact and mobile enough to be used in different locations. No news has been released fo almost 10 years about this weapon, many of these issues may possibly have even been solved and it may even be ready to go??

Do we need to make the Kali mobile? why not have fixed sites along the eastern and western borders which can be attached with military bases for higher security.The KALI would be used primarily as an air-defense weapon so if we keep it in bases close to the border it would still serve it's purpose.

Anyhow i'm surprised none of you has come up with the naval component in any mobile system, a naval destroyer is large enough and can carry a large enough power source to fire a system like the KALI. We could jury rig an old KASHIN class destroyer remove the front SAM batteries to make space for the KALI and transfer all the energy from two of it's four gas turbines to the KALI this would give the kali around 35,000 KW of energy to use, should be enough for some low energy firings.

Is USA the only country in the world to have weapons that release laser to destroy incoming missiles?

What are other nations beside USA and India that have been trying to develop such weapons...Russia? China?

The Russians had a well developed High energy laser program in soviet times today however i believe the program (like many other soviet era programs ) has fallen into decay,many of the program scientists left Russia to work in china or the U.S (depending on who was paying more)this helped the rapid development of american and Chinese systems immensely. they even had a truck mounted laser .i'm posting some pics from both the Russian and american programs below.

IL-76 with nose laser turret

Russian truck mounted Laser

Target drone engagement using the HEL GDL demonstrator. (1) shows target before illumination, (2) shows target being illuminated, and (3) shows target breakup following a successful hit. Almaz-Antey have not disclosed the range of this trial or the emitted CW power level of the GDL.

American systems

Raytheon's LADS is intended to provide a short range point defence weapon as a replacement for the Phalanx CIWS, utilising existing Phalanx hardware and systems.

Advanced tactical laser

US Army Tactical High Energy Laser (THEL) beam director turret.

YAL-1A ABL prototype in flight (U.S. Air Force)

NKC-135A Airborne Laser Laboratory (USAF).

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Do we need to make the Kali mobile? why not have fixed sites along the eastern and western borders which can be attached with military bases for higher security.The KALI would be used primarily as an air-defense weapon so if we keep it in bases close to the border it would still serve it's purpose.

Anyhow i'm surprised none of you has come up with the naval component in any mobile system, a naval destroyer is large enough and can carry a large enough power source to fire a system like the KALI. We could jury rig an old KASHIN class destroyer remove the front SAM batteries to make space for the KALI and transfer all the energy from two of it's four gas turbines to the KALI this would give the kali around 35,000 KW of energy to use, should be enough for some low energy firings.

we had discussed a naval version long back,actually that maybe the easiest possible version with a nuclear power as the power source like in a aircraft carrier. A mobile version would provide more flexibility and could also possibly augment our BMD. I also like the concept of fitting one on IL-76 and also the possibility of using it as an anti satellite weapon.

 

[Koji]

The Chinese do not have (or at least to my knowledge) mobile laser defense systems. What they do have, however, are several laser-ground installations designed to disable satellites following their Assassin's Mace doctrine in Xinjiang.

 

[bengalraider]

Found this interesting document on European defense program spending read page 3 apparently the Europeans have also spent some monies for the development of an airborne laser system.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

look at my last post in the Laser/beam thread it says Indian scientist are working on something similar an airborne version which may also be utilized in our BMD program.

 

[bengalraider]

look at my last post in the Laser/beam thread it says Indian scientist are working on something similar an airborne version which may also be utilized in our BMD program.

wouldn't an airborne laser be a high value target for the enemy ? we would have to provide CAP like an AWACS to any airborne laser.

 

[sandeepdg]

From what is known about the KALI, is that it was not developed for the purpose of an laser beam weapon. The main use of Kali by DRDO was for the study of the speed of projectiles using an x-ray version and a microwave version for designing an electrostatic shield for the EM systems on the LCA which are vulnerable to a microwave attack. But it can be modified to be used as an directed microwave weapon. I would prefer static and mobile versions of Kali; the static ones can be used for point defense of high value installations like airbases and nuclear power stations whereas the mobile version can be moved to any hostile theater quickly for providing aerial defense against an impending air attack.
The American YAL-1 airborne laser on board a 747 is more capable of taking down tactical ballistic missiles (TBM) than ICBMs. It has a range of 300-600 kms depending on the type of missile, though it can shoot down an ICBM only in its boost phase when its speed is slower. But yes, to extend its range it will have to fly over hostile territory and therefore needs a good fighter and EW aircraft escort. US also proposes this kind of a plan.

 

[DarkMonk]

GREAT NEWS!!!

Some guys have already started shivering

India To Counter China, Pakistan In Deep Waters Pak Alert Press

 

[RPK]

The KALI (Kilo Ampere Linear Injector)

The KALI (Kilo Ampere Linear Injector)

The KALI (Kilo Ampere Linear Injector) is a linear electron accelerator being developed in India, by the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO) and the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC).


The KALI is not a laser weapon as commonly believed. It emits powerful pulses of electrons (Relativistic Electron Beams- REB). Other components in the machine down the line convert the electron energy into EM Radiation, which can be adjusted to x-ray (as Flash X-Rays) or microwave (High Power Microwave) frequencies.

This has fueled hopes that the KALI could, one day be used in a High-Power Microwave gun, which could destroy incoming missiles and aircraft through soft-kill (destroying the electronic circuitry on the missile). However, weaponising such a system has many obstacles to overcome.

The KALI's potential for a military role as a beam weapon has made it, in the eyes of the people, "India's Star Wars". However, weaponisation of the KALI will take some time. The system is still under development, and efforts are being made to make it more compact, as well as improve its recharge time, which, at the present, makes it only a single use system.

There are also issues of creating a complete system, which would require development of many more components. There have also been reports of placing the weaponized KALI in an Il-76 aircraft as an airborne defence system. There is also speculation of using the KALI as an Anti-satellite weapon and as a space-based weapon system, although it is unlikely that they would be implemented, given India's stance on those issues.

If weaponized, it is quite likely that KALI would be integrated into India's fledgling Ballistic Missile Defense program.

 

[Koji]

GREAT NEWS!!!

Some guys have already started shivering

India To Counter China, Pakistan In Deep Waters Pak Alert Press

A Klub missile with a range of 3000 km huh?

Cut that number down to 10% and you'll get its correct range, plus India is barred from purchasing any missile with significant range.

The author over glorifies almost everything. Yes, India bought 10 kilos from Russia, but Russia also sold China 10 improved kilos code:977EKM.

 

[Rage]

A Klub missile with a range of 3000 km huh?

Cut that number down to 10% and you'll get its correct range, plus India is barred from purchasing any missile with significant range.

The author over glorifies almost everything. Yes, India bought 10 kilos from Russia, but Russia also sold China 10 improved kilos code:977EKM.

That is obviously a typ-o.

Russia also sold 'improved' 977EKM Kilo-class submarines to India.

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[xebex]

I dont know how far its beam can travel with high energy, but if it can travel straright enough, then we can use it as an Anti-satellite device, giving a big finger to china lol. Also, we could use it as a submarine hunter if it can be fitted in a warship. Its just my fanboy wild guess tho.hehehehh.

Also, a rail mobile KALI could be possible but it will be physically vulnerable and predictable. how about permanantly fix KALI in key locations in the North,South, West and East of India as a firewall againt unauthorized flying objects. Enough elevation could help KALI to acquire the target by overcomming the curvature of earth's surface. So, if we can position the KALI in a high altitude, possibly in a mountain peak or aircraft, we might be able to use it to target any geographic location inside pakistan(including millitant training camps). lol it would be fun to watch a terrorist try to detonate his jacket bomb in the public and KALI disable the bomb.lmao.

It sure sounds like a capable weapon to me, lots of potential.cheers!

 

[xebex]

ofcouse if we can miniturised it and put it in geo stationary satellite orbit, that will be greatest achivement, we need help from Isreal and Russia for this.

That's can be a great achievement saya , if done, and in that case we have the platform , we need the modification, but also in my opinion if we have to miniaturise it for putting it to Geo Stationery Orbit, and regarding our current capability I think we should have a miniature version of 2 ton. That can be uphill but I think may not be impossible.

Regards

The KALI's potential for a military role as a beam weapon has made it, in the eyes of the people, "India's Star Wars". However, weaponisation of the KALI will take some time. The system is still under development, and efforts are being made to make it more compact, as well as improve its recharge time, which, at the present, makes it only a single use system.

There are also issues of creating a complete system, which would require development of many more components. There have also been reports of placing the weaponized KALI in an Il-76 aircraft as an airborne defence system. There is also speculation of using the KALI as an Anti-satellite weapon and as a space-based weapon system, although it is unlikely that they would be implemented, given India's stance on those issues.

If weaponized, it is quite likely that KALI would be integrated into India's fledgling Ballistic Missile Defense program.

Satish , does it mean that this type weapon can not put into the space, how ever if it can be done to place this weapon in minituerised form then what can be the source of power , as I think your point is right that the solar panels may not be enough to power this type of weapon.

Regards

It atleast needs a miniaturised Nuclear reactor to fire a weapon like this from space.because you have to cross the atmospheric filter. The upper layers of the atmosphere is highly radioactive. So the power of a beam of electrons has to be highly charged to enter through the upper atmosphere layers. The cooling unit must also be powered. And I dont suppose this can be done easily by all the solar panels. A space based laser is a far more Viable option than this.

Militarization/Weaponization of space is a big No No as it is against the "Outer Space Treaty of 1966". India is a signatory.

Outer Space Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Outer Space Treaty

KALI is a particle accelerator used in Physics experiments. It's not a weapon.

A particle accelerator is differnt as it boost the speed of a subatomic particles, its a propelsion device. But KALI on the otherhand is like a radiation generator. there is a difference. Also, every weapon begins with a physical experiment mate.

A future derivative may be possible, but wireless transfer of large power is fictional as of today.

Wireless transfer of large power is not fictional unless u havent seen lightning =P.

 

[p2prada]

A particle accelerator is differnt as it boost the speed of a subatomic particles, its a propelsion device. But KALI on the otherhand is like a radiation generator. there is a difference. Also, every weapon begins with a physical experiment mate.

KALI is a particle(electron) accelerator. I am pretty sure about it. It is just a very big CRT type machine, the one you find in TVs.
Kilo Ampere Linear Injector. The name itself indicates it is an accelerator.

Wireless transfer of large power is not fictional unless u havent seen lightning =P.

It's a naturally occurring phenomenon and is completely uncontrolled.
Earthquakes are possible naturally. But, can you simulate one at your home?

Just because something is possible in its natural form does not mean it can be replicated in a lab. Our technology is still too immature to be able to transfer huge amounts of power without wires.