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This has nothing to do with the topic JP. Please focus.ajtr are you pakistani in disguise as indian one of those wanna be indians
This has nothing to do with the topic JP. Please focus.ajtr are you pakistani in disguise as indian one of those wanna be indians
Islamic Renaissance just like the Christian one.Sects are always to divide people, not unite, which sect on the face of the planet has preached homogeneity & pluralism
These sects & religious people use divinity to gain their interests,Just as i am thinking about it, these sect thingy will go on forever there nothing you can do nothing to stop it, better learn to live with it & stop preaching hate for different sects & separate religion from state affairs... har cheez ke had hote ha
hehehe so that means i better not join your sect. I thought you are trying to promote peace but seems like we are going to have another sect = more divisionsSects are always to divide people, not unite, which sect on the face of the planet has preached homogeneity & pluralism
These sects & religious people use divinity to gain their interests,Just as i am thinking about it, these sect thingy will go on forever there nothing you can do nothing to stop it, better learn to live with it & stop preaching hate for different sects & separate religion from state affairs... har cheez ke had hote ha
Can you please throw some light on how Ahmadis are non muslims?keep Ahmedis away ajtr, they have nothing to do with us, its a simple logic but some people aren't able to understand and keep trying to stand them in the same rows of Muslims
Also, how Shia's are muslims if they do not cross their limits? Could you please be brief as to what are you talking about?hahaha, well its actually a large population. But you are right, i myself consider themself as Muslim as long as they are not crossing their limits
okay that is an interesting take, so who all other than the muslims are not considered as kafirs and why?Kafir or Kufr means rejector (of faith), it does not apply to all non-muslims first of all.
Explain!!!ejazr said:Ideologically TTP are very different from Afghan Taliban.
Wrong, last time i heard all of their big guns were Pushtoons, Punjabi Taliban is a wholly different breed or should i say they are more sectarian peopleejazr said:TTP leadership is heavily dominated byPunjabi extremists
ejazr said:TTP is way more dangerous ideologically than Afghan Taliban.
- Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) is busy recruiting fresh blood from the city to train and fight against 'infidels' in Afghanistan
- Discussing his hopes for the future, Ali said that "After conquering Afghanistan, we will implement Shariah in Karachi."
These are necessary conditions but not sufficient. You also need to believe that the previous book (Bible) has become corrupted. So while all holy books (???) need to be respected, there are no original holy books at all except one!hehehe, because they are never among us. The minimum criteria to become Muslim is
1) One and only one God
2) Believe in All Prophets
3) Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the Last Messenger
4) Believe in all Holy Books of God
Thats a very basic criteria
This is to do with the finality of the Prophethood of Muhammed SAW. It is the core of the Islamic faith. There is no one worthy of Worship except one God and Muhammed is his final Messenger.Can you please throw some light on how Ahmadis are non muslims?
Shias believe in the finality of the prophethood of Muhammed SAW. Hence the difference.Also, how Shia's are muslims if they do not cross their limits? Could you please be brief as to what are you talking about?
With respect to Ahmadis, since it is a recent movement/development we know that it flourished under British patronage. I believe it was a mutually beneficial relationship . I do not want to be any more explicit than this for the fear of offending some DFIers here. But if we go back further in history the same can be said of every religion. Constantine embraced Christianity and "Pagan" Rome became Christian. Saffavids made Shia Islam as state religion and Sunnis in Iran were persecuted. The same holds true for Hindu and Buddhist Kings in India.Why should Ahamdi be kept away???Today its Ahmadi tomorrow it will be some other sect. there is no end to it
who defines this, is it stated somewhere or is it some interpretation of a cleric/scholar?hehehe, because they are never among us. The minimum criteria to become Muslim is
1) One and only one God
2) Believe in All Prophets
3) Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is the Last Messenger
4) Believe in all Holy Books of God
Thats a very basic criteria
The Holy Qur'an itself.who defines this, is it stated somewhere or is it some interpretation of a cleric/scholar?
You are right Vinod, these are few of the necassary conditionsThese are necessary conditions but not sufficient. You also need to believe that the previous book (Bible) has become corrupted. So while all holy books (???) need to be respected, there are no original holy books at all except one!
I have to admire your criteria.
Well actually i know Iman-e-Mufassal but i was just giving a simple answer. By the way, some verses of the Qur'an were also in my mind when i was writing my last post@Zaki
I believe you were listing the Iman-e-Mufassal or the declaration of faith but I might be mistaken. Here is the complete translation.
Iman-e-Mufassil (or the Detailed declaration of faith)
I have faith in Allah and His Angels, His Books and His Messengers, and the Day of Judgement and that all good and evil and fate is from Almighty Allah and it is sure that there will be resurrection after death.
The basic declaration is
There is no one worthy of worship except God and Muhammed is the final prophet
Anyone who believes in this is a muslim
Alif Lam Mim (A.L.M.); (1)
this is the Book, no doubt in it, a guidance to the godfearing, (2)
who believe without seeing, establish the Prayer and expend of that We have provided them; (3)
who believe in what has been sent down to thee and what has been sent down before thee, and they are sure about the Hereafter. (4)
Those are upon guidance from their Lord, and those are the ones who shall prosper.(5)
Those who disbelieve, it is equal for them whether thou warn them or warn them not, they will not believe. (6)
God has set a seal on their hearts and on their ears; and there is a covering on their eyes; and for them shall be a big punishment.(7)
And some men there are who say, `we believe in God and the Last Day', but they are no believers. (8)[
They would deceive God and the Believers, but they do not deceive any except themselves, though they do not perceive. (9)/B]
In their hearts is a sickness, then God increased their sickness, and for them shall be a painful punishment, for that they were speaking lies. (10)
and Surah AhzabGod, there is no god but He, the Living, the Everlasting; (2)
Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of God and the Seal of the Prophets; and God has knowledge of everything.(40)
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