JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[The Last Stand]

Indian fanboys..many of them are on the forum consider LCA having very least RCS.while on the other hand the quality of finishing LCA suggest that.it has been made off the worst available raw material.and use of composite material is a bluff since HAL/DRDO/ADA can never be trusted

browse the lca vs jft thread..i had posted a detailed analysis along with pics of JFT,Gripen and lca as to why DRDO has fooled the people by the words of using composites in lca

Look. I am not an expert on aircraft. But I do know that if they say it is there, it is there. Same way we upgraded our Jaguars and MiG-27 on our own. HAL and ADA are much more competent than CVRDE.

How do you say that it has worst available raw materials? The outer finish doesn't indicate the performance.

The finish on that Soviet Flogger is despicable. That doesn't mean it won't perform.

What is that detailed analysis? Post it here, and let me rip it apart for you.

 

[ersakthivel]

Indian fanboys..many of them are on the forum consider LCA having very least RCS.while on the other hand the quality of finishing LCA suggest that.it has been made off the worst available raw material.and use of composite material is a bluff since HAL/DRDO/ADA can never be trusted

browse the lca vs jft thread..i had posted a detailed analysis along with pics of JFT,Gripen and lca as to why DRDO has fooled the people by the words of using composites in lca

With such POOR finish it can go toe to toe with grippen C/D and achieve,


a sustained turn rate close to F- 16 C/D and Grippen C/D ,

the same top speed of Su-30 MKI in indian hot conditions in Goa trials at sea level .

So think how will it perform ,when GOI commits 1500 cr for a brand new assembly line for Tejas at HAl .

it can do only better not worse

 

[farhan_9909]

Look. I am not an expert on aircraft. But I do know that if they say it is there, it is there. Same way we upgraded our Jaguars and MiG-27 on our own. HAL and ADA are much more competent than CVRDE.

How do you say that it has worst available raw materials? The outer finish doesn't indicate the performance.

The finish on that Soviet Flogger is despicable. That doesn't mean it won't perform.

What is that detailed analysis? Post it here, and let me rip it apart for you.

if it is so than why it weighs still 6.5t and the dimensions difference is no very much

 

[farhan_9909]

With such POOR finish it can go toe to toe with grippen C/D and achieve,


a sustained turn rate close to F- 16 C/D and Grippen C/D ,

the same top speed of Su-30 MKI in indian hot conditions in Goa trials at sea level .

So think how will it perform ,when GOI commits 1500 cr for a brand new assembly line for Tejas at HAl .

it can do only better not worse

LCA has better avionics and radar aswell.what it lack is the design.the design is old now.and designing it rather on the pattern of gripen with canards would bring it at the level of 4.5th generation fighters with aesa and the rest of upgrade in lca mk2

 

[ersakthivel]

LCA has better avionics and radar aswell.what it lack is the design.the design is old now.and designing it rather on the pattern of gripen with canards would bring it at the level of 4.5th generation fighters with aesa and the rest of upgrade in lca mk2

It is JFT which follows the very high wing loading third gen airframe design,

tejas follows the same low wig loading design of 4.5th gens like grippen TYPHOON and RAFALE.

Without canards Tejas Mk-1 has the same sustained turn rate as grippen C/D . So no need for canards as canards will only double the RCS reflections.

Instead of canards it has cranked delta wing form of F-16 Xl model. So everything is the same.Go to LCA tejas thread to know more about it.

For your information 5th gen PAKFA and F-22 don't have canards as well

 

[The Last Stand]

if it is so than why it weighs still 6.5t and the dimensions difference is no very much

Dimension difference with what?

 

[farhan_9909]

It is JFT which follows the very high wing loading third gen airframe design,

tejas follows the same low wig loading design of 4.5th gens like grippen TYPHOON and RAFALE.

Without canards Tejas Mk-1 has the same sustained turn rate as grippen C/D . So no need for canards as canards will only double the RCS reflections.

Instead of canards it has cranked delta wing form of F-16 Xl model. So everything is the same.Go to LCA tejas thread to know more about it.

For your information 5th gen PAKFA and F-22 don't have canards as well

JFT a 3rd generation airframe?did you forgot our last discussion regarding this?

It has no cranked delta configuration.it is just a compound delta.which again has very less characteristics of cranked delta.

RCS of JFT are least in paf inventory.thanks to RAM coating,smaller design,DSI and some other features.

 

[farhan_9909]

It is JFT which follows the very high wing loading third gen airframe design,

tejas follows the same low wig loading design of 4.5th gens like grippen TYPHOON and RAFALE.

Without canards Tejas Mk-1 has the same sustained turn rate as grippen C/D . So no need for canards as canards will only double the RCS reflections.

Instead of canards it has cranked delta wing form of F-16 Xl model. So everything is the same.Go to LCA tejas thread to know more about it.

For your information 5th gen PAKFA and F-22 don't have canards as well

JFT a 3rd generation airframe?did you forgot our last discussion regarding this?

It has no cranked delta configuration.it is just a compound delta.which again has very less characteristics of cranked delta.

RCS of JFT are least in paf inventory.thanks to RAM coating,smaller design,DSI and some other features.

 

[farhan_9909]

PSed though a true example of cranked delta

 

[farhan_9909]

Courtesy Tempest II

WS-13 seems to be making progress. The is from CDF posted by Hongjian


Source: http://www.-----------/forums/jf-17...role-fighter-thread-5-a-74.html#ixzz2bULVhWuF

Maybe I should have posted this in the JF-17 thread, since this news might be even more important to our Pakistani friends, but still, latest rumour by big-shrimp pupu regarding the WS-13B. :thumb:

Gist: FWS-13B developed by the 460 Institute is going very smooth. The engine would be first used with Shaanxi Aircraft Company's new plane, which raised some eybrows in the BBS (since they are the makers of the Y-20).
Insider (who has relatives working with 460) has more good news to tell, but refuses to, which makes the big shrimp mad.

 

[farhan_9909]

Courtesy Tempest II

WS-13 seems to be making progress. The is from CDF posted by Hongjian


Source: http://www.-----------/forums/jf-17...role-fighter-thread-5-a-74.html#ixzz2bULVhWuF

Maybe I should have posted this in the JF-17 thread, since this news might be even more important to our Pakistani friends, but still, latest rumour by big-shrimp pupu regarding the WS-13B. :thumb:

Gist: FWS-13B developed by the 460 Institute is going very smooth. The engine would be first used with Shaanxi Aircraft Company's new plane, which raised some eybrows in the BBS (since they are the makers of the Y-20).
Insider (who has relatives working with 460) has more good news to tell, but refuses to, which makes the big shrimp mad.

 

[The Last Stand]

@farhan_9909

Try to avoid making double posts.

 

[ersakthivel]

Courtesy Tempest II

WS-13 seems to be making progress. The is from CDF posted by Hongjian


Source: http://www.-----------/forums/jf-17...role-fighter-thread-5-a-74.html#ixzz2bULVhWuF

Kaveri K-9 too is making smooth progress,

 

[rvjpheonix]

if it is so than why it weighs still 6.5t and the dimensions difference is no very much

Do you understand that tejas has a lot higher wing area and do you know that a wing adds a lot weight to the aircraft?

 

[rvjpheonix]

@farhan_9909 .The JFT has high wing loading being and will be less maneuverable when it comes to ITR. Actually this small wing area is what allows the JFT to have seemingly less weight despite being an all metal air frame. That is why the JFT will have abysmally low instantaneous in comparison to tejas.Try decreasing JFT wing loading and the weight will shoot up. That is the reason the JFT will remain stuck where it is with only improvement in avionics. The only way is to bring in composites or Li composites. But that defeats the very purpose of the JFT being a relatively new cheap platform to the old mirages and mig 21 duplicates of the PAF.

 

[mehrotraprince]

JF 17 Block II with stealth features

Please don't take it seriously :taunt1:

I found it during my internet search, so though to share it with others

 

[sayareakd]

Block 2 has not started by they are dreaming of Block 3.

Dubai Airshow 2013: Pakistan looks to Block 3 variant of JF-17

At this year's Dubai Airshow officials from the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in Kamra discussed their plans for a future Block 3 variant of the Chengdu JF-17/FC-1 fighter now that the Block 2 model has a mature configuration. The aircraft is produced jointly by the PAC and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation in China.

"The Block 3 aircraft now exists in the form of a conceptual design and a list of mission requirements," said one of the senior Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officers assigned to the programme, "but no concrete decisions have been made about the choice and configuration of the onboard systems for the aircraft."

Dubai Airshow 2013: Pakistan looks to Block 3 variant of JF-17 - IHS Jane's 360

 

[ladder]

Block 2 has not started by they are dreaming of Block 3.

Dubai Airshow 2013: Pakistan looks to Block 3 variant of JF-17


Dubai Airshow 2013: Pakistan looks to Block 3 variant of JF-17 - IHS Jane's 360

Yes, because Block 2 has no/minor distinction over Block 1 except that it will have IFR probe.

The JFT blocks are practically production batches/ blocks rather than developmental one.

 

[Dazzler]

@ dubai airshow 2013..

 

[Dazzler]

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