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"Hindustannewshub"?...

From your article:

"Experts say that the Chinese weapons received by Pakistan can be of poor quality. This is the reason why Pakistan’s outdated F-16 and other weapons of western countries are still most effective against India. Recently, there was news that 4 Zulfiqar frigates made in China of Pakistan Navy were equipped with useless electronics. Not only this, his engine was also seriously lacking and the weapons were also not working properly. This was the reason that Pakistan Navy was forced to run them even after poor quality."

"Experts say weapons CAN be of poor quality?"? There have been reports". No sources, no references...

There is 0 objectivity or credibility here. Reads like a post by a fanboy.
Maybe. Maybe not.
US products are war proven. Chinese ones absolutely not.
See the results of west weapons in Ukraine, versus non exported russian ones.... And China weapons remained of a russian inspiration, if not more.
 

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Maybe. Maybe not.
US products are war proven. Chinese ones absolutely not.
See the results of west weapons in Ukraine, versus non exported russian ones.... And China weapons remained of a russian inspiration, if not more.
Again, no argument from me. In military development and manufacturing industy terms, US is far ahead... Probably even more than is publicly available information. 🤷

VS Russia in aircraft manufacturing... Not so sure. That may have been true in the 2000s and early 2010's but today..? China has more capability r&d and manufacturing wise in the military aviation industry than 🇷🇺 does.

That article is 🗑 though😄
 

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🤷Components ARE mostly manufactured in 🇨🇳 and assembled at PAC in 🇵🇰. No argument from me.
But porkies claim that each and every part is manufactured by them
Although we know except green paint nothing else they could do
 

jai jaganath

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Every part? Nope
But they do have assemblies and maintenance facilies for some... no?
Yeah they do have assembly lines to assemble ckd and skd along with maintenance
But I remember somewhere long back I mean 5-6 years back that porkies sent their aircrafts to China for overhaul and maintaining
 

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Yeah they do have assembly lines to assemble ckd and skd along with maintenance
But I remember somewhere long back I mean 5-6 years back that porkies sent their aircrafts to China for overhaul and maintaining
They can make the nose radome and frontal fuselage AFAIK. They can do standard maintenance in-house but not full overhauls.
 

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"Hindustannewshub"?...

From your article:

"Experts say that the Chinese weapons received by Pakistan can be of poor quality. This is the reason why Pakistan’s outdated F-16 and other weapons of western countries are still most effective against India. Recently, there was news that 4 Zulfiqar frigates made in China of Pakistan Navy were equipped with useless electronics. Not only this, his engine was also seriously lacking and the weapons were also not working properly. This was the reason that Pakistan Navy was forced to run them even after poor quality."

"Experts say weapons CAN be of poor quality?"? There have been reports". No sources, no references...

There is 0 objectivity or credibility here. Reads like a post by a fanboy.
‘Real opinion always hurts.
 

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DCS is a game mate. It has no real bearing on actual warfighting.

Secondly, the addition of 350kgs for the missiles and probably another 150kgs for the dual rack in extra weight is hardly going to make the jet "maneuver like a whale".

If the load out was 8 bvr missiles + 2 wvr arms I'd agree with you. But this load out is hardly ground breaking.
yes i totally agree with you on the DCS part also yes 4 bvr on 2 dual racks hardly a weight increase considering jf17 wing loading capacity is 3.5k but if you consider normal aerodynamics and laws of phsyics these duel racks always causes additional drag plus stress on air frame on high speeds, in real life to get a better shot jf17 have to fly in higher speeds at medium altitudes like 30k feet, in that scenario the drag induced by duel racks always negate the bonus they put in for additional bvr numbers it brings in, PAF have to option for duel racks from jf17 block 2 on wards but they opted out it because of the same reason i mentioned above, another reason is it not just 4 x bvr and 2 x wvr missiles it also holds ground attack ammunition central line drop tank and ew pod which in net total result more than 60% total wing loading capacity ( not maximum take of weight ), so that load out they showcased mostly for strike mission in less contested airspace rather than front line CAP missions, the inteion of PAC to do this load out to show the omini role capability of jf17 but in reality it just a limited multi role light fighter ,
 

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Are the pakistani getting the PL-15 Or the PL-15E for the JF-17s?
 

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They are getting the 146 km range PL-15E.

Besides even their 5.5th gen JF-17C still uses the old PL-5EII. It's a copy of the AA-2 Atoll .
While it makes a lot of sense...I was thinking of getting answers from Chinese guys kinda wanted to know if the China would give it's best AAM to their "iron brother"😂
 

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Reposting it here,



Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China



The critical part of the JF-17 avionics is the China-made KLJ-7 Al radar, which has poor accuracy and maintenance problems, analysts say. The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar.

Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces, according to a former pilot of the Myanmar Air Force.

full article


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# Technical Problems Ground Myanmar’s JF-17 Fighter Jets Bought From China

## Excerpt

> The $25-million jets arrived with structural problems but post-coup sanctions and a lack of local expertise make it impossible to fix them, ex-Air Force pilots say.

Regime chief Min Aung Hlaing inspects a JF-17 at an airbase.

By The Irrawaddy 25 November 2022

Most of the newly acquired Chinese and Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter jets that the Myanmar regime has taken delivery of have been grounded due to technical malfunctions, according to analysts and former Myanmar Air Force pilots who monitor the junta’s air capabilities.

The JF-17 fighters—lightweight multi-role combat aircraft jointly manufactured by China and Pakistan—that the Myanmar Air Force has added to its fleet have structural cracks and other technical issues, they told The Irrawaddy.

The aircraft, which are supposed to be capable of interception, ground attack and bombing missions, have turned out to be unfit for service, and the Myanmar military lacks the technical expertise to fix the problems, they added.

Myanmar reportedly inked a deal in early 2016 to procure 16 JF-17s from China at a cost of US$25 million each. A first batch of six aircraft were delivered to the Myanmar Air Force in 2018, but details about the other 10 are not yet clear. The deal made Myanmar the first country outside China and Pakistan to buy JF-17s.

![](https://www.irrawaddy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Thunder-Nov-25-insert-1.jpg)

Aircraft including four JF-17 Thunder fighters are officially commissioned into the Myanmar Air Force in 2018.

Myanmar regime chief Min Aung Hlaing put four of the malfunctioning JF-17 fighters into commission at a ceremony at the Meiktila air base in December 2018. Two more were commissioned in December 2019 as the Air Force celebrated the 72nd anniversary of its founding.

Jointly manufactured by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and Chengdu Aerospace Corporation of China, the JF-17 was initially designed to balance India’s Air Force. They are equipped with Western avionics and powered by the Russian Klimov RD 93 aeroengine, and set up on a China-made airframe, according to analysts. They can be armed with air-to-air mid-range guided missiles, 80-mm and 240-mm rockets, and 500-lb bombs.

The critical part of the JF-17 avionics is the China-made KLJ-7 Al radar, which has poor accuracy and maintenance problems, analysts say. The aircraft does not even have an effective beyond-visual-range (BVR) missile or airborne interception radar.

Malfunction of the Weapon Mission Management Computer has caused launch zones of BVR air-to-air missiles to shrink during combat exercises, according to experts.

Furthermore, the airframe is vulnerable to damage, especially in its wingtips and hardpoints, when the aircraft encounters strong gravitational forces, according to a former pilot of the Myanmar Air Force.

**Problems after purchase**

As the avionics and electronics installed in JF-17s are made with parts from Western countries, the Myanmar military purchased the fighter jets through middlemen between 2015 and 2020. Following the coup, the European Union imposed sanctions against the Myanmar military and arms brokers, and the Air Force now has no spare parts for the JF-17s, according to analysts and former pilots.

The trade embargo also makes it impossible for the Myanmar military regime to directly buy missiles and bombs for its JF-17s. The regime meanwhile has forged a partnership with the Pakistan military, sending weapons system officers from the Air Force and Air Defense units to Pakistan for training from time to time.

For the Myanmar Air Force to carry out deadly air strikes on ethnic armed revolutionary organizations and civilians, it mainly needs air-to-surface missiles, and it reportedly held talks with Pakistan to order these as well as bombs and rockets. Around May this year, a cargo plane from Pakistan loaded with JF-17 spare parts landed in Myanmar.

Technicians from the Pakistan Air Force made a secret visit to Myanmar in September during which they set up a JF-17 simulator for pilots of the Myanmar Air Force at Pathein air base, and also solved some technical problems. A JF-17 weapons system officer however said the weapons system of the JF-17 is too technically complex for Myanmar pilots to handle, according to former pilots.

**Current situation**



A JF-17

Thanks to the JF-17s’ poor accuracy, the Myanmar Air Force still can’t use them for combat four years after they were commissioned. This has led the Air Force to rely on Russian-made Yak-130 and MiG-29 fighter jets and China-made K-8 fighters, said analysts.

While the Myanmar Air Force has spent a large sum to procure malfunctioning aircraft from China and Pakistan, arms broker Dr. Naing Htut Aung has earned millions of US dollars from the deal, The Irrawaddy has learned.

At the 72nd anniversary event for the Myanmar Air Force, Min Aung Hlaing boasted that the Myanmar Air Force started with Tiger Moth planes, but now has hangars filled with modern aircraft including supersonic jet fighters, transportation aircraft, and assault and transportation helicopters.

He made no mention of the Air Force’s unusable JF-17 fighters.


 

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