JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Srinivas_K]

No, at first it was the J7 upgrade plan, also called the Super Seven Plan. Pakistan provided funding, the United States provided the engine, and China and the United States jointly designed it. However, after the Cold War, the United States Grumman withdrew from the plan, and then Pakistan also terminated the plan. China did not want to To let this nearly completed aircraft abolish, China decided to develop its own independent development. When the Singapore Air Show, China showed its research results to Pakistan. At this time, Russia was willing to provide engines, the project restarted, and Pakistan wanted to purchase Italian radars, but the project would be postponed. After that, China showed the Chinese radar to Pakistan, which has the same performance as the European radar, which did not delay the project.
If it weren’t for China, no airline would provide JF17 at such a low price. JF17 would not be completed at all. Pakistan’s China-Pakistan joint development is wrong. Pakistani pilots have basically no influence on the development of JF17.

J7 is an interceptor.

 

[lixun]

J7 is an interceptor.

To be precise, it is a frontline fighter. In that era, all aircraft were pursuing higher speed and higher altitude. The Soviet interceptor should be su17.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Okay so dejainar wuz also Chicom, so what exactly is Pindigenous in this Jadeed Tareen Taiyyara?

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

Okay so dejainar wuz also Chicom, so what exactly is Pindigenous in this Jadeed Tareen Taiyyara?
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Fake news. All of Jadded Tayara is manufactured in Paxtan 100% including engine

 

[FalconSlayers]

Okay so dejainar wuz also Chicom, so what exactly is Pindigenous in this Jadeed Tareen Taiyyara?

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Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Kamra - Avionics Systems Co-produced Projects

www.pac.org.pk

 

[lixun]

It is rare to see the data written on the JF17 AESA advanced radar. It is a pleasant surprise. Its working band is around 10GHZ X band, working bandwidth is up to 3GHZ, and its fractional bandwidth FBW reaches 0.3 level, which exceeds the 0.25 required by ultra-wideband radar. Such a large working bandwidth can not only provide extremely high range resolution, and recognize the shape characteristics of ground vehicles, air fighters, etc., but also have strong anti-jamming capabilities and low interception capabilities. Traditional narrow-band targeting jammers such as EA18's ALQ-99 pod can hardly interfere with it effectively, while traditional broadband sweep frequency jammers such as SPS-141 pods will also lose their large bandwidth frequency agility function. effect. In order to effectively counter this type of ultra-wideband radar, the jammer must also have the ability to work with large bandwidth and strong aiming and frequency interference capabilities.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Dharmic_Crusader]

watch the second video

 

[LaIllahaSigmar]

How many of you know of Avi Das?



Here's a post he made about FC-1.

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THE EVOLUTION OF AN 'ORIGINAL' FIGHTER



Got into a discussion/argument with Defense Matrix, on twitter as to what JF17 is derived from. One will need to look at the evolution history of JF 17 to find its sources of development.



SABRE II FOR MIG 21 CLONES



The genesis of JF 17 started with Pakistan's Project Sabre II. This project was started in 1987. Note, JF 17 was started way before LCA Tejas. The Project Sabre II phase is something the Pakistani deriders of LCA on account of purported long development cycle, wilfully skip.



PAF wanted to develop a feasible and low-cost multirole combat jet based on an existing design—the Chengdu F-7 Skybolt, a Chinese variant of the MiG–21PFM. In January 1987, PAF commissioned Grumman Aerospace to conduct studies and assess the feasibility of the Sabre II design concept with Pakistani specialists and the Chinese Chengdu Aircraft corporation. Under Project Sabre II, which the Chinese called Super-7 project, the F-7 airframe was redesigned with angled air intakes on the sides of the fuselage so a solid radome nose could house radar and other avionics from Northrop's F-20 "Tigershark" fighter.



The program was partially funded by Pakistan, which was considered as the main potential customer. The fighter was offered as a low-cost alternative to the F-16 to meet Pakistan's 150-aircraft requirement to replace Chinese-supplied F-6s (MiG-19s). The flyaway cost will be $8-9 million.



Grumman completed a five-month feasibility study in 1987. The American firm had performed preliminary studies and wind tunnel aircraft models. Grumman, China's Chengdu aircraft factory, China Aero Technology Import-Export Company, the Pakistan Air Force and the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) promoted the F-7 modification. Chengdu would build the revised rear fuselage to a Grumman design, while the US company would build the new forward fuselage. PAC would assemble the aircraft. Several other Western companies were in competition to supply the engine and avionics. Initially, GE404, the very engine that powers Tejas, was chosen.



However, around this time, USSR withdrew from Afghanistan. US, seeing the diminishing of Pakistan's utility, didn't feel any further obligation to prop up Pakistan. Within a year China conducted the Tianamen Square Massacre. US also got to know (or rather they could now acknowledge) Pakistan's clandestine nuclear program. They completely withdrew from the project. The project was left in a limbo.



THAT EUROPEAN FIGHTER



In the meanwhile, Romania was developing its IAR 95 Spey, as a project to produce a supersonic fighter jet for the Romanian Air Force. The project was started in the late 1970s and cancelled in 1981. Initially the project was supposed to use the engine from the Mig-23 (Tumansky R-29-300), but they couldn't get licence. Then they, naively, tried to buy licence for the British Spey engine, that was powering the British F-4s, but couldn't get that one either, so the project was cancelled.



Shortly after, the project was restarted again. Romania, which had old relationship with China, was looking at the Chinese version of the Mig 21 engine. Towards this China had access to the Romanian designs, so as to study the feasibility of marrying their engine. However, that went to naught. The Chinese did see that this was a design which was more evolved than their own Super 7/ Sabre II initiative.



Romania now looked back again at Russia towards its Klimov RD-33 turbofan engines, which powered its Mig 29s. However, Romania finally came to the conclusion that it just didn't have the budget to develop the plane on their own. The project was cancelled for good in 1988 due to lack of funds.



MEANWHILE IN CHINA



Given that the US was out of the picture, China was busy buying up as many plans and technical details that it could from all over Eastern Europe. The fact that they got the details of Avi from Israel is well known. But, it getting the IAR 95 details are well within its realm of possibility.



By 95, Soviet Union had collapsed, and Russia was willing to sell anything and everything. China had already settled on Lavi for its single engine fighter solution and the Su 27 for its double engined fighter. It still had the IAR 95 plans, and they knew that Romania had settled for the Klimov engine to power it.



Russia, or rather USSR, had been developing its own answer to the F16. Towards it Mig had developed a concept called the Mig 33, which had belly placed intake ducts and powered by a single Klimov RD 33 engine. This they had to abandon with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, PAF still needed its single engine aircraft to replace its stock of F7s. China proposed that they could create a fighter now, possibly more evolved than the Sabre II project, given that they seemingly had the IAR 95 plans. All they needed was some hand holding with the engine, which Russia was willing to provide.



FINALLY A SOLUTION



In 1995, Pakistan and China signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) for joint design and development of a new fighter, and over the next few years worked out the project details. Also in June 1995, Mikoyan had joined the project to provide "design support" towards the integration of the engine. This also involved the secondment of several engineers by CAC. Thus the data for the single engine fitment of Klimov RD 33 for Mig33 was purchased.



The final JF 17 had all of IAR 95's design, but for the angled air intake it had devised for Sabre II. The early JF17 wings were closer to the near delta wings of the F7 but later evolved more towards IAR 95. Also, instead of the boundary layer separator intake of IAR 95, it got a DSI 'cos, by now, China was back in US good books thanks to 9/11 and had stolen the data from the US.



This is the tale of the evolution of Pakistan's 'original' fighter.

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So what do you think of it?

 

[BON PLAN]

J7 is an interceptor.

It is more a point defense fighter. It may act as an interceptor but as a F104 : with short logs.
As LCA is.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Yeah no Azerbaijan are not claiming it

 

[FalconSlayers]

Yeah no Azerbaijan are not claiming it

They might end up buying it

 

[Super Flanker]

What do you all make of this ? Now porkis are saying THAT JF 17 is better than Rafale Oh god? Can someone look at this Comparison and Draw a conclusion? I feel like porkis are Smoking heavy weed

 

[Covfefe]

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What do you all make of this ? Now porkis are THAT JF 17 is better than Rafale. Oh god? Can someone look at this Comparison and Draw a conclusion? I feel like porkis are Smoking heavy weed.

Yeah, totally believable from someone who writes 'Rafale' as 'Rafael'

 

[Super Flanker]

Yeah, totally believable from someone who writes 'Rafale' as 'Rafael'

Yeah boi.. you are not right..so Many porkis don't even know what the difference between Rafale and Rafael. Patha nahi konsa Nasha Karthe hai yeh log.

 

[Super Flanker]

They might end up buying it

Considering Azerbaijan Defence Budget ,they will probably go for the JF 17 in my opinion, Also considering how good their Relationship is with Pakistan. JF 17 is a good choice for them and they will probably end up buying it (from my personal Perspective in my opinion)

Let us assume that the Actual number is between 2.5-2.7 billion dollars.

Than JF 17 is a good option for them. They can Induct a cheap plane like JF 17 in larger numbers. It is a very good option ( probably the best option for an Air force like Azerbaijan)

 

[Super Flanker]

Yeah, totally believable from someone who writes 'Rafale' as 'Rafael'

This idiot porkis don't know what is the difference between "Rafale" and "Rafael".

RAFAEL

Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd. is an Israeli defense technology company. It was founded as Israel's National R&D Defense Laboratory for the development of weapons and military technology within the Israeli Ministry of Defense; in 2002 it was incorporated as a limited company. It makes Weopons for Israel and for Export. So it is actually a Defense Company

Rafale

The Dassault Rafale (French pronunciation: [ʁafal], literally meaning "gust of wind", and "burst of fire" in a more military sense) is a French twin-engine, canard delta wing, multirole fighter aircraft designed and built by Dassault Aviation. Equipped with a wide range of weapons, the Rafale is intended to perform air supremacy, interdiction, aerial reconnaissance, ground support, in-depth strike, anti-ship strike and nuclear deterrence missions. The Rafale is referred to as an "omnirole" aircraft by Dassault. Need not go into to much detail. Every porki knows about Rafale

 

[Super Flanker]

Pak official sources still not claiming that it was a Jf. This should be 4th publicly accepted crash for Jf. I wonder if rd-33 is crashing this much, then what about those j-11 and j-10s flying with the Chinese indigenous engines. Thank God, martin baker seats were state of the art and performed its duty well.

Pakis are hiding Their Crash. I am damn sure that JF 17 has more crashes than Reported by Pakistan. China is literally Operating Copies of mig 21 , everyone knows about the Quality of Chinese Hardware and their Weopons. China literally uses reversed Engineered Copies of mig 21, and seeing the Crash Record of MIG 21s , we should be seeing more crashes of Chinese j-7,but surprisingly, it is only india who magical found the unrealible and prone to crash MIG 21, how is that Chinese J-7 is not having Crashes ?it just doesn't make any sort of sense to me Whatsoever in my opinion! Yes ! It is obvious, China is hiding it's Crashes! And so is Pakistan. Ans that is a well known fact everyone. Good day

 

[Roland55]

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What do you all make of this ? Now porkis are saying THAT JF 17 is better than Rafale Oh god? Can someone look at this Comparison and Draw a conclusion? I feel like porkis are Smoking heavy weed

300km BVR..ooh i bet !!!