JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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While going through this thread, I came at a point where it is mentioned that Chinese 4th gen fighter is actually equivalent to 5th gen. I didn't got the follow up points. Could you be more specific and simple in the explanation?
China doesn't follow Nato classification for fighter jets. Ask any reputable defence analyst and he will confirm. China's gen 3 equals Nato gen 4. FC-1/JF-17 therefor will be referred to as a 3rd gen fighter in Chinese media/reports/defence blogs and the J-20/J-31 as (chinese) gen 4 which translates into Nato's gen 5 (stealth).

China's gen 5 (UCAV) will be Nato's gen 6, i.e. unmanned stealth fighter.

Whenever quoting from Chinese media, add +1 to get Nato's equivalent.

Trolls often misinterpret the Chinese media to classify JF-17/FC-1 as a 3rd gen fighter as per Nato's norms.
 

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A humble request to all. Please take the di*k measuring to the dedicated LCA vs JFT thread. Donot further derail this one.

@pmaitra please keep the thread under observation.
 

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While going through this thread, I came at a point where it is mentioned that Chinese 4th gen fighter is actually equivalent to 5th gen. I didn't got the follow up points. Could you be more specific and simple in the explanation?
chinas 4th gen actually equivalent to 5th gen, :laugh:

you are not paki are you ???

Cyber theft allows China to save tens of billions of dollars in research-and-development, the experimentation and testing a new weapon goes through before it reaches the battlefield, experts say. While the Chinese jet fighters might still be inferior to the American planes, not having to do early research and development allows them to focus on upgrades and improvements.


China doesn't follow Nato classification for fighter jets. Ask any reputable defence analyst and he will confirm.
'china do not follow nato classification for jets', :laugh:

this why china do not follows nato clasifications for jets,

'ask any reputable defence analyst he will confirm' :laugh:

and he confirmed it here,

ask any defence analyst but not paki defence analyst,

“Their designs, their capabilities are shifting from prototype to prototype in a way that has not happening with the current way that we are building our fifth-gen systems,”

more here,
J-21/J-31 Chinese 5th Generation Stealth Fighter
 
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Now look at this video.

Tejas started at 5.31 and finished it's take off at 5.43, so only 12 sec to take off. (7 sec less then Bundar).
Started vertical climb at 5.59 and hold it till 6.09 at least 10 sec vertical climb. (Which bunder never never did)
Started horizontal loop at 7.29 and finished at 7.49 so 20 sec for horizontal loop (Again 6 sec less then bunder)
At 8.30 it did a 180* roll in a fraction of a sec. Also at 10.55 you can see it completing 2 rolls in 2 sec.( Bunder... Please)
Started vertical loop at 8.55 and finished at 9.1 so 20 sec for vertical loop (Bunder never mind).
Correction Vertical loop 8.55 to 9.10 =15 second and not 20.
 

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Now look at this video.

Tejas started at 5.31 and finished it's take off at 5.43, so only 12 sec to take off. (7 sec less then Bundar).
Started vertical climb at 5.59 and hold it till 6.09 at least 10 sec vertical climb. (Which bunder never never did)
Started horizontal loop at 7.29 and finished at 7.49 so 20 sec for horizontal loop (Again 6 sec less then bunder)
At 8.30 it did a 180* roll in a fraction of a sec. Also at 10.55 you can see it completing 2 rolls in 2 sec.( Bunder... Please)
Started vertical loop at 8.55 and finished at 9.1 so 20 sec for vertical loop (Bunder never mind).
So it is proved that The stolen technology and copied stuff can not come any where close to R & D.
 

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China doesn't follow Nato classification for fighter jets. Ask any reputable defence analyst and he will confirm. China's gen 3 equals Nato gen 4. FC-1/JF-17 therefor will be referred to as a 3rd gen fighter in Chinese media/reports/defence blogs and the J-20/J-31 as (chinese) gen 4 which translates into Nato's gen 5 (stealth).

China's gen 5 (UCAV) will be Nato's gen 6, i.e. unmanned stealth fighter.

Whenever quoting from Chinese media, add +1 to get Nato's equivalent.

Trolls often misinterpret the Chinese media to classify JF-17/FC-1 as a 3rd gen fighter as per Nato's norms.
Man first flown in hot air ballon before Wright brothers did made the first flying craft. After that we know how much improvement we did in aviation sector. Now if we have to divide the whole aviation into generation, then we have to say that hot air ballon was the Gen 1, then came those manual biplane which had to be manually powered like Wright brothers. Those were the 2nd gen. The piston engine planes were the 3rd gen and then the current Jet engine planes are in fourth gen. Here again in fourth gen you could divide it into further two gen. Previously we used to control planes by hydraulics which were connected with cockpit. You could put these planes, which did had the Jet engines but controlled by hydraulics into 4th gen. After that we upgraded to Fly-by-Wire. Now these planes, which does have Jet engine and does get controlled by digital Fly-by-Wire instead of old hydraulics system, you could term them as 5th gen. Now if you develop a plane today with piston engine and term it as 1st gen because this the first plane you have manufactured, then no way you are right. There is nothing like NATO nomenclature when it comes to technology.

Just like normal plane, fighter jets does have their own generation, which is based on the advancement achieved in respective field. Please have a look at the link below. I am sure you have done your own studies, but I think it would be bit more helpful.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/fighter-aircraft-gen-1.htm
 

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Man first flown in hot air ballon before Wright brothers did made the first flying craft. After that we know how much improvement we did in aviation sector. Now if we have to divide the whole aviation into generation, then we have to say that hot air ballon was the Gen 1, then came those manual biplane which had to be manually powered like Wright brothers. Those were the 2nd gen. The piston engine planes were the 3rd gen and then the current Jet engine planes are in fourth gen. Here again in fourth gen you could divide it into further two gen. Previously we used to control planes by hydraulics which were connected with cockpit. You could put these planes, which did had the Jet engines but controlled by hydraulics into 4th gen. After that we upgraded to Fly-by-Wire. Now these planes, which does have Jet engine and does get controlled by digital Fly-by-Wire instead of old hydraulics system, you could term them as 5th gen. Now if you develop a plane today with piston engine and term it as 1st gen because this the first plane you have manufactured, then no way you are right. There is nothing like NATO nomenclature when it comes to technology.

Just like normal plane, fighter jets does have their own generation, which is based on the advancement achieved in respective field. Please have a look at the link below. I am sure you have done your own studies, but I think it would be bit more helpful.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/fighter-aircraft-gen-1.htm
why dont you explain this to chinese, they seem to lack the knowledge on this matter..
 

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So it is proved that The stolen technology and copied stuff can not come any where close to R & D.
just one international air show with a mediocre performance and we have a bunch of fanboys claiming the world. Mate, so far, nothing is proved, your so called original technology is a pile of foreign technologies. your air force is still vary of your own aircraft and reluctant about inducting it.
 

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nope, it will be the mainstay fighter, the most numerous in the fleet. The f-16 blk 52 is the frontline and some other highend fighter in the near future.
Okay, JFT will be at large number, still we have better much aircrafts in large numbers.
just one international air show with a mediocre performance and we have a bunch of fanboys claiming the world. Mate, so far, nothing is proved, your so called original technology is a pile of foreign technologies. your air force is still vary of your own aircraft and reluctant about inducting it.
Tell us that when you guys make your own aircraft to fly.
 

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just one international air show with a mediocre performance and we have a bunch of fanboys claiming the world. Mate, so far, nothing is proved, your so called original technology is a pile of foreign technologies. your air force is still vary of your own aircraft and reluctant about inducting it.
it was more performance than junk jf did at previous shows,

pile of foreign tech,at least its a pile of top quality tech than chinese,

even if lca got foreign tech india paid for that tech unlike pakis who begs for cheap tech to chinese, :laugh:
and your so called paki tech is nothing but pile of cheap chinese junk. :laugh:
 

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Well a single performance from Tejas was more then enough to prove that JF-17 is not even worth a comparison. No matter how many air shows Blunder perform, if it can not beat a single performance of Tejas, it's useless. As far as Tejas's induction is concerned it is already finalized and FOC will be done by the end of this year, unlike JF-17, who's developer of course China doesn't accept it.
 

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junk fighter -17 " blunder " is not a pakistaani or chinese plane it is a rejected russian design with 1970s russian engine , it is just a license production ................we are doing that from 1960s ..............mig 21 , sukhoi 30 mki etc all are license production of India .
 

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just one international air show with a mediocre performance and we have a bunch of fanboys claiming the world. Mate, so far, nothing is proved, your so called original technology is a pile of foreign technologies. your air force is still vary of your own aircraft and reluctant about inducting it.
When a brain washed pakistani says that It was a mideocre performance than It must be a great performance. On most of the parameter of Aircraft performance matched with the best in the world or exceeded them. Vertical loop 17 second, Horizantal looping 20 Seconds. Vertical climb, Double spin in 2 second and and certain change in direction etc. Your aircraft can not do most of this and whatever little they can do is with very poor timing.
 

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i saw it pulling like a brick without any maneuvers to the left or right as if the pilot was scared he might drop a wing if he did so. pathetic really.
Pilot will do what he will be asked to do... What did you expected in very first international display it will show off ... DRDO has not yet opened up the LCA for full scale maneuverability ...
 

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