JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[SATISH]

No, it says China has withdrawn funding of JF-17 development.

If that happens things are going to be a bit interesting from now on.

 

[Coalmine]

Then jf17 lafandur is doomed.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

No, China withdrew and British aero-space may take it place..

It just the money issue..

 

[farhan_9909]

Because JFT and rafale are the front runner in Serbian tender..A response from france media is pathetic though

WHen is Paris airshow this year?
JFT will be participating in Paris airshow

 

[Armand2REP]

No, China withdrew and British aero-space may take it place..

It just the money issue..

The difference is UK aerospace won't fund it and Pakistan can't even pay the light bill.

 

[farhan_9909]

Qatar AF officials in JFT,

 

[farhan_9909]

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Rafale dan JF-17 Akan Bertarung di Serbia - KOMPAS.com

 

[farhan_9909]

No, China withdrew and British aero-space may take it place..

It just the money issue..

Well china has not withdrew from the project

though i do know that the twin seater will only be funded by Pakistan.

JF-17 III will again be a JV..while news about the work on JFT II being completed is as old as nov 2012.

 

[Black Blood]

Farhan : Qatar is not a potential customer for JFT. Potential customers from the middle east are Jordan,Oman,Iraq and Egypt.

 

[sayareakd]

Pakistan offers JF-17 jet to Indonesian Military
Pakistan Defense Minister Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar offers his Indonesian counterpart the latest jet fighter called the JF-17 during his visit to Jakarta on Wednesday.

Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro responded to the offer, saying that further discussion would be conducted in October.

Minister Mukhtar was here to sign the Defense Cooperation Agreement between the two countries at the Defense Ministry.

"We will see it first before we decide if we have an interest in purchasing the aircraft," Purnomo said.

He said the JF-17 jet fighter was the product of a joint production between Pakistan and China. The manufacturers claimed the jet to be cheaper and stronger than the US F-16.

Purnomo said he learned there had been 500 JF-17 jet fighters produced; 350 are allocated for Pakistan and the remaining 150 are for China.

"I have been informed that Pakistan's jet fighter's level is above the US F-16 jet fighter, as well as Russia's Sukhoi. But we need to see it first hand," he said.

Minister Mukhtar said the jet fighter project was a result of years of engineering improvements that was made by the Pakistan defense industry back home.

"We have developed our defense industry properly, we have prepared for those who plan to disrupt our peace," he said.

Pakistan Ambassador to Indonesia Sanaullah, who also attended the press conference, promoted the product, saying the aircraft had met the requirements to be used by the Indonesian military.

The Defense Ministry is currently developing its own jet fighter project with South Korea. Dubbed the KFX project, the project is aimed at providing both countries with five jet fighter prototypes before 2020.

Mass production of the KFX jet fighter is expected to take place after the project reaches its break-even point of 200 aircraft units.

Bhatara Ibnu Reza, Imparsial's research coordinator, warned that the Indonesian military should prioritize the improvement of its own defense industry.

He said if offers like that from Pakistan contributed to the reinforcement of the country's defense industry, then Imparsial suggested Indonesia take advantage of it.

"I strongly suggest that we pay serious attention to rebuilding our defense industry so it becomes a strong backbone for the future," he told The Jakarta Post.

In addition to offering the jet fighter, the Pakistan defense minister also tightened cooperation in the field of education and sharing intelligence on counterterrorism.

Both countries have also planned to conduct a joint naval exercise in December this year.

"We face similar internal security problems here. Therefore cooperation will enable us to tackle these problems," he said.

The Pakistani defense minister visit is the latest, after China's Central Military Commissioner, Guo Boxiong, visited the country in May.

chian news: Pakistan offers JF-17 jet to Indonesian Military

I think they are tired of finding customer for their junk fighter and now they are making such type of claim as posted in bold.

 

[sayareakd]

you didn't get the point

 

[farhan_9909]

Credit-Antibody

TWRs
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Afaik a good way to calculate the TWR is:

Thrust in kN / G (Earth surface gravitational field strength of 9.807 m/s²)

=> / emptyweight + internal fuel => TWR


With the figures you gave in your comparision of JF 17 and Gripen, it would be like this:

JF 17 B1:

84,5/ 9,8 = 8622

6411+2300 = 8711

8622 / 8711 = 0.99 (rounded to the 2nd digit)


If we take the specs from PAC Kamra site, we have to take 14520lb (6586Kg) emptyweight to account, which changes the results to 0.97 (rounded to the 2nd digit)


Same way for Gripen C:

80,5/ 9,8 = 8214

6800+2270 = 9070

8214 / 9070 = 0.91 (rounded to the 2nd digit)


Short TWR ranking (clean with AB thrust):

1. F16 B52 - 1.11
2. JF 17 B1 - 0.97 to 99
3. LCA Mk1 - 0.96
4. Gripen C - 0.91
5. J10A - 0.88

Source: http://www.-----------/forums/jf-17...ole-fighter-thread-4-a-662.html#ixzz2PKM7WEQY

 

[farhan_9909]

Interview: Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, Deputy Chief Project Director, JF-17 Programme, Pakistan Air Force


Author:Tomislav Mesaric, Zagreb


Last posted:2013-03-21



In Pakistan the JF-17 combat aircraft programme, conducted as a joint venture with China, is a matter of national pride, with the aircraft on track to become the backbone of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) for decades to come.

"Two years ago we had only one JF-17 Squadron with 20 aircraft, but now we have two," said Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, who was posted to become the programme's deputy director when the aircraft was still on the drawing board.

"Both squadrons are completely operational, while one of the two squadrons has two roles: conversion and operational training. We are about to raise the third squadron, but we still haven't decided which one that will be," said Air Cdre Khalid. "Around 40 JF-17s are flying at the moment, with the last few from Block I in the final stages of assembly.

"Production started with a small batch of aircraft we used for maturity of the production processes and for the assessment of operational capability and fine tuning of the aircraft," he said. "Based on that and the capability enhancements we introduced in the Block I, we will start with production of Block II. The difference will mostly be in capabilities, production technologies, avionics and some maintenance facilitation for the ground crew.

"As far as manufacturing tempo is concerned," noted the air commodore, "we are matching the retirement tempo of the air force's older types, regulating the induction of JF-17s according to the air force's demands."

Regarding the JF-17's operational capabilities, IHS Jane's understands that the PAF has the necessary sources codes to integrate weapons onto the aircraft. Air Cdre Khalid confirmed that the PAF has the capability for weapons integration, stating: "We can buy a weapon on the free market and integrate it on the JF-17 on our own and in-country. We have a team of flight test engineers and pilots that form the flight test group as a separate unit."

When the JF-17 first entered service it only flew with PL-5EII within-visual-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) and fuel tanks, but the aircraft is now flying with SD-10 beyond-visual-range AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, an electronic warfare pod and several types of general-purpose and precision-guided bombs. "We are using a combination of weapons of different origins," the air commodore noted.

When it comes to the maintenance the PAF has operational (O), intermediate (I) and depot (D) levels, just like in the West. "Since the JF-17 is a new aircraft we haven't performed any D-level maintenance on it yet, but we are in a process of establishing a component D-level capability," he said.

Regarding the JF-17's RD-93 powerplant, Air Cdre Khalid vouched for it being a very robust engine. "We have flown it for 7,000 hours without a problem," he said.

While the Chinese are reportedly working on a replacement powerplant for the JF-17, the PAF seems happy that solid agreements are in place between the Chinese and original Russian designers of the RD-93 to guarantee the supply of enough engines for its needs.

At the moment the JF-17 is already qualified for quick-reaction alert duty. "We have IFF on board, so we can go straight up and shoot at the enemy," said Air Cdre Khalid. In standard configuration the JF-17 carries two PL-5EII missiles, two SD-10 missiles and two or three fuel tanks. "The aircraft could have the capability to carry four SD-10 missiles," he noted, "but we decided to pursue the present configuration. The digital weapon interface is on all hard points, which gives us a lot of flexibility for weapons carriage."

So far the JF-17 has not seen real combat, but the type has participated in a number of exercises. "We have very good experience in dissimilar combat against different types of aircraft in multi-bogey environments," said the air commodore.

During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.

"For international sales we have joint sales and marketing with our Chinese friends. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to sit together on every meeting, but the Chinese side will always know what we are negotiating and we will always know what they are negotiating," noted the air commodore, adding that he saw co-operation on the programme between the two countries as being "exemplary".

"The first thing the new customer has to do is to decide which configuration of the aircraft they want," said Air Cdre Khalid. "The JF-17 is produced in Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in Kamra, so we can provide everything from manufacturing to documentation and even help with the induction of the aircraft into operational service."

Air Commodore Khalid Mehmood, JF-17 Programme Deputy Chief Project Director, Pakistan Air Force (PAF)

JDW

 

[farhan_9909]

courtesy blackblood

So from the above interview.

* 40 JFTs are flying
* 3rd Squadron is in final stages
* BVR integration is a done deal
* ASM integration is a done deal
* PGM integration is a done deal
* D level maintenance is planned and being put in place.
* Block II will not have huge upgrades
* RD-93 is being kissed and hugged
* JFT achieved desirable mission results against the flanker in A2A combat exercises.
* JFT will follow JSF "simulators" approach towards training.
* PAF is very keen on exporting the jet.
Please add more points if you see from the above interview.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Its six years in straight and question is still looming, why call JF-17 pakistani? What after all in it is pakistani except "umm...... with our inputs its cockpit was coustomised and pakistan is developing HUD for it". Where is HUD?

 

[Rahul Singh]

Is my French that bad or did the French magazine say that China is withdrawing from the JF 17 Project?

Without mother how can there be child. An Aaya is always an
Aaya.

 

[sorcerer]

Is there any independent review done on this JF-17,by a third party, on its so called capabilities, other than those comin out of PAK and China?

 

[sayareakd]

During air combat manoeuvres with the People's Liberation Army Air Force, for example, PAF JF-17s were pitched against Chinese Su-27s in a number of scenarios and reportedly achieved favourable results.

With regard to flight training, Air Cdre Khalid said the JF-17 is "very easy to fly - even easier than the F-16 - so pilot training is not heavily dependent upon a two-seat version. We designed it with the concept that we will have a good simulator. The Chinese have extensive experience with simulators, so we decided to go with them. However, if some customer wants the two-seat version, plans for production are at a very advanced stage.

from the above Chines SU 27 is useless against Junk fighter and same is the case with F16.

Looks like PAF has got only 40 capable aircrafts .

 

[gokussj9]

Is there any independent review done on this JF-17,by a third party, on its so called capabilities, other than those comin out of PAK and China?

Here you go:

IN FOCUS: China awaits fighter export breakthrough

The JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft, ideal for the Pakistan market, which values numbers over actual combat effectiveness. It doesn't seem to be going anywhere else, and only marginal country markets have been mentioned as prospects - other than Egypt.

 

[sorcerer]

The JF-17 is an obsolete and cheap aircraft, ideal for the Pakistan market, which values numbers over actual combat effectiveness.

Chinese marketing ploy at work.