JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Apollyon]

I am saying that there is no plan for their replacement as of now. We will know about it only in future.

This Paki is incredulous, why you wasting your time on him ?

 

[farhan_9909]

According to a very long interview of the former PAC official (pupu 2007 year).

The former PAC official said :

JF-17 PT-04 Max speed :2.0 mach,basic range(internal fuel):2000km+,max load: 3.9 ton. combat range (with 3 fuel tank ): 1300km+


(old PT-01/PT-03 without DSI version : Max speed:1.6 mach, basic range(internal fuel): 1800km, max load:3.6 ton).


This is a huge leap of JF-17 PT-04 indeed.

google translation:

Procurement of advanced fighter aircraft, plus we give up the higher demands is the introduction of the Mirage 2000 and jas-39 plan, the JF-17 super-horizon attack capability (BVR) and precision strike capability on the ground / sea targets necessary. The success of the J-10 is the the PAF a new understanding of the technical capabilities of China's aviation industry, originally planned modification upgrade by European companies turn by the Chinese company responsible for.

Reporter: That is from the U.S. aid to Pakistan can take advantage of the savings for independent development of high-tech project.

PAC official: so that the defense minister also presented the progress report of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) in the project submitted to the Working Group in Chengdu, the report confirmed the completion of the new PAF tactical and technical indicators the PT-04 has entered the last debugging flight status. Report CAC can be completed in such a short time improvements including aerodynamic layout admire optimized design and tuning of these aspects of the PT-04, using the advanced BUMP inlet to replace the original fixed inlet boundary layer separator and increased the area of the wing edge strips in order to make better use of eddy current lift. In Western called DSI inlet technology is to design a bulge in the intake port in front of the machine body, the pre-compression of the air entering the inlet through the drum kit, and blowing in addition to the boundary layer.

This design was first for the U.S. Joint Strike Fighter F-35, is a more advanced technology in the field of aviation pneumatic. The DSI design can significantly simplify the structure of lower quality. And to improve the high-speed performance of the aircraft, its advanced nature is self-evident. Increased dramatically improved aerodynamic design, the PT-04 in the overall technical performance earlier PT-01/PT-03 maximum Mach number of the aircraft upgrade from 1.6 to 2.0. Maximum load from 3600 kg up to 3900 kilograms. In addition, relying on the case of the aircraft's own children fuel load and a maximum range of up to 2000 km from 1800 km to carry external fuel tanks with a combat radius of 1300 km. The report stressed that the PT-04 device fully comparable with the latest F-16 avionics and glass cockpit.

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[farhan_9909]

Indeed the pt-04 was a major evolution in jft

*DSI
*Lerx
*Full fbw
*twin ventral fins
*more payload
*2.0 mach speed

 

[farhan_9909]

JFT 2 with improved avionics,better radar,composites,ifr and a 91.2kn engine thrust along with 700kg less weight

JFT II having sd-10b as the primary bvr and MAA-1B as the primary wvr
CM-400akg for antiship/ARM role and a dedicated mar-1 from brazil for SEAD role
with variety of more weapons including RAA'D


JFT II will be enough to tacke any threat from any fighter of india

 

[Defcon 1]

JFT 2 with improved avionics,better radar,composites,ifr and a 91.2kn engine thrust along with 700kg less weight

JFT II having sd-10b as the primary bvr and MAA-1B as the primary wvr
CM-400akg for antiship/ARM role and a dedicated mar-1 from brazil for SEAD role
with variety of more weapons including RAA'D


JFT II will be enough to tacke any threat from any fighter of india

I love this thread. Please post sources of the above claims, especially those about the engine.

By the way, I will now be reporting all your posts where you make stupid claims without any sources, including this one.

 

[farhan_9909]

I love this thread. Please post sources of the above claims, especially those about the engine.

By the way, I will now be reporting all your posts where you make stupid claims without any sources, including this one.

glad to know this

the original link is dead now..just few days before it was working

JF-17 to get a new engine - RD-93MA with 9300kgf thrust
According to UEC General Designer Alexander Ivakh speaking at the Engines 2012 salon in April, about 70 engines of the RD-33 family were made in Russia last year. Their production is run now by the Chernyshev Mashine-Building Enterprise in Moscow. Previously, the RD-33 Series 2 had been in production with the Baranov OMO enterprise in Omsk (at present, an affiliate of the Salut Gas Turbine Research and Production Centre), but the fact that customers order now RD-33 Series 3 and RD-33MK engines only has left Omsk-based plant with repairing and overhauling Baranov-made engines, while the production of new engines has moved to Moscow.



Chernyshev's near-term production programme is determined by its current orderbook for the second batch of 29 MiG-29K/KUB carrierborne fighters to India (the first batch of 16 aircraft powered by Chernyshev-built RD-33MKs was delivered during 2009–2011) and the recent Russian Defence Ministry order for 24 fighters of the type. In addition, the plant supplied RD-33MK turbofans to fit the first two MiG-29M/M2 fighter prototypes.

The first MiG-29K/KUB jets are due to the Russian Navy's air arm as soon as 2013, but the RD-33MK first has to pass its official bench tests for compliance with peculiar requirements of the Russian Armed Forces. Klimov JSC kicked off the tests on 28 January 2012.

An important position in Chernyshev's production plans is also occupied by the deliveries of RD-33 Series 3 knockdown kits to India under the January 2007 contract on licence production of 120 engines of the type there. The programme is about half-complete.

Finally, the RD-93, a RD-33 derivative with the low-mounted accessory gearbox, is exported to China to fit FC-1 (JF-17) light single-engine fighters. The deal for 100 RD-93s with an option for 400 more was clinched in April 2005. The first 15 engines were assembled by Klimov, and Chernyshev has handled the rest of the deliveries since 2006. The contract is half-complete, and the deliveries shall resume as soon as the customer submits its request.

At the same time with the full-rate production in Moscow, Klimov JSC in St. Petersburg continues to refine the RD-33MK and RD-93. According to Klimov, the company's jet engine priorities are the development of the modified RD-93MA with the thrust enhanced to 9,300 kgf for a foreign customer and the development of the upgraded RD-33MKM with a thrust of 9,500 kgf for the MiG corporation.

Take-off Magazine : RD-33: output on the rise

 

[Defcon 1]

glad to know this

the original link is dead now..just few days before it was working

where is that written that RD93MA is for JF17? Or are you assuming things as always?

 

[farhan_9909]

where is that written that RD93MA is for JF17? Or are you assuming things as always?

because upgraded rd-93 was already offered to us back than

pakdef sources and confirmed from chinese forum as well

and except JFT no other aircraft use rd-93

the rest use rd-33 variants

not me but it is widely believed so

 

[maomao]

because upgraded rd-93 was already offered to us back than

pakdef sources and confirmed from chinese forum as well

and except JFT no other aircraft use rd-93

the rest use rd-33 variants

not me but it is widely believed so

It's your belief?.........I can start a whole thread on paki delusional beliefs.....lol

 

[farhan_9909]

It's your belief?.........I can start a whole thread on paki delusional beliefs.....lol

removed from ignore-list

this is not my delusion but has been repeatedly confirmed by chinese forums as well

the recent visit of pt-04(on which JF-17 is based off) to CAC,the colour of engine suggest that it wasnt older rd-93 at all when compared with its older image..it is not sure whether the engine was ws-13 or rd-93MA

upgraded rd-93 was offered by klimov since 2006

 

[maomao]

removed from ignore-list

this is not my delusion but has been repeatedly confirmed by chinese forums as well

the recent visit of pt-04(on which JF-17 is based off) to CAC,the colour of engine suggest that it wasnt older rd-93 at all when compared with its older image..it is not sure whether the engine was ws-13 or rd-93MA

upgraded rd-93 was offered by klimov since 2006

Ohhhhhhh Thank God - I'm honored (pun intended)!

So, your and your so called chinese forum assumptions are based on an image? Awesome; nonetheless, I'm unable to find any credible source to validate your assertions....hence, your belief still remains a delusion!

 

[farhan_9909]

Ohhhhhhh Thank God - I'm honored (pun intended)!

So, your and your so called chinese forum assumptions are based on an image? Awesome; nonetheless, I'm unable to find any credible source to validate your assertions....hence, your belief still remains a delusion!

is there any single engine fighter apart from JF-17 which uses rd-93?(rd-93 is modified for single engine fighter)?

and rd-93ma(upgraded was on offer from a long time

by klimov in zhuhai airshow 2010..upgrade for rd-93 with enhanced thrust on offer

 

[maomao]

is there any single engine fighter apart from JF-17 which uses rd-93?(rd-93 is modified for single engine fighter)?

and rd-93ma(upgraded was on offer from a long time

by klimov in zhuhai airshow 2010..upgrade for rd-93 with enhanced thrust on offer

Your shared image does not suggest anything, it talks about some other plan and provides a picture of RD-33.....what's wrong with you?

 

[Armand2REP]

because upgraded rd-93 was already offered to us back than

pakdef sources and confirmed from chinese forum as well

and except JFT no other aircraft use rd-93

the rest use rd-33 variants

not me but it is widely believed so

Pakdef and Chinese sources are no source at all.

The Russians have revealed nothing about it. Now RD-93 is an RD-33 with a repositioned gearbox to fit single engine fighters. It is no improvement. It is only on JF-17 because no one would design a fighter around a low dry thrust engine. It is like building a plane around a single M88-2. It is only enough for a UCAV.

 

[farhan_9909]

Your shared image does not suggest anything, it talks about some other plan and provides a picture of RD-33.....what's wrong with you?

this is what happens when you just blindly reply without looking at the picture

it mention the upgrade of rd-93 upto 98kn thrust...klimov official placard from zhuhai airshow 2010

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakdef and Chinese sources are no source at all.

The Russians have revealed nothing about it. Now RD-93 is an RD-33 with a repositioned gearbox to fit single engine fighters. It is no improvement. It is only on JF-17 because no one would design a fighter around a low dry thrust engine. It is like building a plane around a single M88-2. It is only enough for a UCAV.

they are but may be not for you.

the thrust is more than the american engine on lca despite the fact that it is lighter than lca as well

 

[Decklander]

RD-93 has the potential for 10 tin thrust but russia has yet to find the metallury for it. They can but as of today Can,t.

 

[shiphone]

the current wet thrust of RD93 used on JF 17 is 81.3 KNs...the plan for the new engine is a 91.1KNs model (around 9.3 tons) from Russian supplier...this goal was released in an interview with the head of Product Management department of CATIC (the export Corp.) in 2009 Sep .

提升发动机推力。目前"æž­é¾™"é…è£…çš„RD-93发动机的推力为81.3千牛，中方正在与供应商开展合作，目标是将发动机推力提升到91.1千牛。此外，中方还计划为增推后的发动机加装矢量喷管，以改善飞机的机动性。

source:China Aviation News

 

[shiphone]

double post...sorry...

 

[farhan_9909]

the current wet thrust of RD93 used on JF 17 is 81.3 KNs...the plan for the new engine is a 91.1KNs model (around 9.3 tons) from Russian supplier...this goal was released in an interview with the head of Product Management department of CATIC (the export Corp.) in 2009 Sep .



source:China Aviation News

well it has been confirmed long back.

though even if they don't expect we don't care

but 91.1kn on JFT 2 will indeed improve the performance of JFT 2 to a greater extent

just recently chinese sources confirmed that work on JFT II has been completed.and production might start soon