JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Armand2REP]

How is it possible for JF17 to have a combat radius of over 1300 km as given here?

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex....

The same way it carries Mica and Exocet missiles there = Pak fantasies.

 

[farhan_9909]

No, I am not referring to one missile type. I am referring to the technology as a whole. It is a 50s base technology and first missile of this type was inducted in the early 60s.

When you are talking about hybrid cruise/ballistic missile, then you are slightly mistaken about the terms. All the missiles I have named below work the same way in the mode where the highest speed is achieved. The missile is lofted to a high altitude and the warhead is dropped. There will be no difference in the way KH-15 works compared to CM-400AKG.

no the cm-400akg is different from kh-15.as per an interview and chinese extract unlike true ballistic missile it doesnt follow a true ballistic flight and can maneuver as well in the flight to hit moving targets

 

[farhan_9909]

The same way it carries Mica and Exocet missiles there = Pak fantasies.

The site is not updated from a long time

this is before the trials of the above mentioned missile.which after trials were found to have serious quality issues,

the mirage equipt with exocet are said to cant destroy even a 200tonnes ship
the reason they are due to be replaced by CM-400akg along with JFT

 

[DivineHeretic]

no the cm-400akg is different from kh-15.as per an interview and chinese extract unlike true ballistic missile it doesnt follow a true ballistic flight and can maneuver as well in the flight to hit moving targets

Ok, then how come the chinese who designed the material of the missile skin did not get a nobel prize in chemistry? It would take nothing short of a revolution in material science to allow a hypersonic missile to be manuevrable in whole flight while flying through the dense atmosphere.
As for your cm-400AKG, its biggest enemy is the huge IR signature, it can easily be spotted at a long range and hence is easy to evade. This is why everyone stopped deploying them. And for your information, the iskanlder and the Shaurya and the Prahaar all have a quasi ballistic flight profile.

 

[farhan_9909]

Ok, then how come the chinese who designed the material of the missile skin did not get a nobel prize in chemistry? It would take nothing short of a revolution in material science to allow a hypersonic missile to be manuevrable in whole flight while flying through the dense atmosphere.
As for your cm-400AKG, its biggest enemy is the huge IR signature, it can easily be spotted at a long range and hence is easy to evade. This is why everyone stopped deploying them. And for your information, the iskanlder and the Shaurya and the Prahaar all have a quasi ballistic flight profile.

biased western world

at the moment the only possible counter measure to CM-400akg is either S-400-500 or the chinese HQ-20

 

[farhan_9909]

 

[p2prada]

no the cm-400akg is different from kh-15.as per an interview and chinese extract unlike true ballistic missile it doesnt follow a true ballistic flight and can maneuver as well in the flight to hit moving targets

I don't think you got what I was saying.

JF-17, F-16 A/B, LCA, Mirage-2000 etc are all aircraft of the same generation with very similar capabilities. That's quite like how the KH-15 and CM-400AKG are. I am not saying CM has something to do with KH-15. What I am saying is the CM is a technology that was directly derived from the German V-1 program and its progressive derivatives over the last 5 decades, which includes KH-15. So, countermeasures exist for this technology.

There have been many missile programs that had missiles diving towards the target at very high speeds and was considered the primary nuclear weapons delivery platform for many major programs, including two that I had mentioned before. CM-400AKG is the conventional version of the same and with smaller range, minus the RAMJET engine. Ballistic missiles replaced the programs after the 50s and the currently known versions were used as air launched version for anti shipping and land attack roles.

What I am saying and still continuing to say is that this is ancient technology and countermeasures exist. So, no need to compare this missile to Brahmos or other sea skimming missiles or think of it as a one hit magic wand.

 

[Armand2REP]

The site is not updated from a long time

this is before the trials of the above mentioned missile.which after trials were found to have serious quality issues,

the mirage equipt with exocet are said to cant destroy even a 200tonnes ship
the reason they are due to be replaced by CM-400akg along with JFT

Bullocks, JF-17 was never fitted with anything French. We didn't do it and you don't have the expertise to attempt it. Exocet can sink a 5000t destroyer, ask the Royal Navy.

 

[farhan_9909]

I don't think you got what I was saying.

JF-17, F-16 A/B, LCA, Mirage-2000 etc are all aircraft of the same generation with very similar capabilities. That's quite like how the KH-15 and CM-400AKG are. I am not saying CM has something to do with KH-15. What I am saying is the CM is a technology that was directly derived from the German V-1 program and its progressive derivatives over the last 5 decades, which includes KH-15. So, countermeasures exist for this technology.

There have been many missile programs that had missiles diving towards the target at very high speeds and was considered the primary nuclear weapons delivery platform for many major programs, including two that I had mentioned before. CM-400AKG is the conventional version of the same and with smaller range, minus the RAMJET engine. Ballistic missiles replaced the programs after the 50s and the currently known versions were used as air launched version for anti shipping and land attack roles.

What I am saying and still continuing to say is that this is ancient technology and countermeasures exist. So, no need to compare this missile to Brahmos or other sea skimming missiles or think of it as a one hit magic wand.

i am unable to find a interview extract from chinese forum about the flight of this missile being different than ballistic as well as russian kh-15

One most important part to note is that this missile has a warhead of 400kg though weighs 900kg
while the kh-15 weighs 1200kg but warhead size is 250kg

 

[farhan_9909]

Bullocks, JF-17 was never fitted with anything French. We didn't do it and you don't have the expertise to attempt it. Exocet can sink a 5000t destroyer, ask the Royal Navy.

the deal was signed.likely to be integrated later

exocet to be replaced by (mirage III+Exocet) by(JFT+cm-400akg) as soon as the third squadron is raised(first quarter of 2013)

beside this we does has option of italian avionics and even an aesa radar,but the chinese avionics proved better than expected

 

[Armand2REP]

the deal was signed.likely to be integrated later

exocet to be replaced by (mirage III+Exocet) by(JFT+cm-400akg) as soon as the third squadron is raised(first quarter of 2013)

beside this we does has option of italian avionics and even an aesa radar,but the chinese avionics proved better than expected

Don't you get it? There never was a deal. Initial talks only. No one offered you anything which is why PAF had no choice but to take crap Chinese avionics.

 

[farhan_9909]

Don't you get it? There never was a deal. Initial talks only. No one offered you anything which is why PAF had no choice but to take crap Chinese avionics.

France agreed and the deal was to be signed in the first quarter of 2010

apart from this the same chinese has made 2 different stealth fighter and your not able to any any rafale export(indian one was bribed one since even a blind person will chose EFT over rafale).rafale is a ordinary 4th+ fighter like the rest of 4th gen fighter be it F-16,Gripen,f-18, but EFT is a class apart fighter.with much bright future and in short a close to 5th gen fighter.

i won't compare rafale to next generation fighters like Mighty J-10B,EFT,F-16 block 60/70.

 

[Armand2REP]

France agreed and the deal was to be signed in the first quarter of 2010

It never cleared committee so how was it agreed? :drunk:

apart from this the same chinese has made 2 different stealth fighter and your not able to any any rafale export(indian one was bribed one since even a blind person will chose EFT over rafale).rafale is a ordinary 4th+ fighter like the rest of 4th gen fighter be it F-16,Gripen,f-18, but EFT is a class apart fighter.with much bright future and in short a close to 5th gen fighter.

Yeah, Rafale is so crappy a blind person can see it is in its THIRD campaign season within two years...


Not even a USAF fighter has seen that much combat in the same time frame.

i won't compare rafale to next generation fighters like Mighty J-10B,EFT,F-16 block 60/70.

Please don't, I wouldn't want you to embarrass the no fight Junk-10.

 

[farhan_9909]

It never cleared committee so how was it agreed? :drunk:




Yeah, Rafale is so crappy a blind person can see it is in its THIRD campaign season within two years...

Lol.poor
even JFT has put alot of bombs in waziristan.does it makes it close to next generation fightes like J-10B or EFT?
clearly no

Not even a USAF fighter has seen that much combat in the same time frame.



Please don't, I wouldn't want you to embarrass the no fight Junk-10.

lol Even JFT took just less than half the time to get its first export order.while super duper rafale was accepted due to political reasons.
on the other hand where politics not work,uae has just recently held up the deal

 

[Defcon 1]

Lol.poor
even JFT has put alot of bombs in waziristan.does it makes it close to next generation fightes like J-10B or EFT?
clearly no



lol Even JFT took just less than half the time to get its first export order.while super duper rafale was accepted due to political reasons.
on the other hand where politics not work,uae has just recently held up the deal

Ok. you tell me one feature that your J10B or EFT has that is not possessed by Rafale. Also, please tell me about so called "export order" of JF17 with a proper link. Otherwise get out of here. By the way, your post has been reported.

 

[venkat]

Farthan mian , ye joint fart-17 kitna mileage dega?

 

[farhan_9909]

Ok. you tell me one feature that your J10B or EFT has that is not possessed by Rafale. Also, please tell me about so called "export order" of JF17 with a proper link. Otherwise get out of here. By the way, your post has been reported.

Airforce to purchase 06 combat planes

Rafale has a very small radar,smaller aesa radar compare to EFT or J-10B
EFT has the least rcs among the 4th gen fighters not rafale
EFT has supercruise capability rafale can only dream of
Rafale twin engine wet thrust is less than single engine thrust on j-10B(ws-10G-155kn)
Rafale has been rejected by many firms in favour of gripen and eft
rafale has not upto to notch avionics as like the one by selex on eft
rafale is not as maneuverible as j-10 or EFT.not even close

i guess i should stop now

Thank you for reporting my post..atleast by this i will come to know about my short coming

 

[Defcon 1]

Airforce to purchase 06 combat planes

Rafale has a very small radar,smaller aesa radar compare to EFT or J-10B
EFT has the least rcs among the 4th gen fighters not rafale
EFT has supercruise capability rafale can only dream of
Rafale twin engine wet thrust is less than single engine thrust on j-10B(ws-10G-155kn)
Rafale has been rejected by many firms in favour of gripen and eft
rafale has not upto to notch avionics as like the one by selex on eft
rafale is not as maneuverible as j-10 or EFT.not even close

i guess i should stop now

Thank you for reporting my post..atleast by this i will come to know about my short coming

Any sources for your claims, how do u know Rafale is less manouverable, has higher RCS, how do you know the thrust of WS10G, how do you know EFT's avionics are better than that of Rafale's?? Wherever Rafale has been rejected, it has been because of price. Wanna tell me where EFT has defeated Rafale?

 

[farhan_9909]

Any sources for your claims, how do u know Rafale is less manouverable, has higher RCS, how do you know the thrust of WS10G, how do you know EFT's avionics are better than that of Rafale's?? Wherever Rafale has been rejected, it has been because of price. Wanna tell me where EFT has defeated Rafale?

watch airshow videos of rafale and eft
rcs of eft are very least.all over the internet
thrust of ws-10g chck out on wiki or google it is being confirmed by chinese media
same question can i ask to those who underestimate jft avionics..using same argument because selex is known for its electronics base.out of reach of france

example is uae and other countries whom opted for gripen over rafale

 

[Defcon 1]

watch airshow videos of rafale and eft
rcs of eft are very least.all over the internet
thrust of ws-10g chck out on wiki or google it is being confirmed by chinese media
same question can i ask to those who underestimate jft avionics..using same argument because selex is known for its electronics base.out of reach of france

example is uae and other countries whom opted for gripen over rafale

So you accept that EFT never defeated Rafale anywhere in the world. Now coming to Gripen, I already said that Gripen won because of its price, go back to the Rafale thread and you will evaluations by the Swiss airforce itself, which placed Rafale at top among Rafale, EFT and Gripen.

So you judge manouverability of an aircraft by watching airshows. Nice...

There is no reliable source of RCS of EFT or thrust of WS10G, I am wrong prove it with links.

Also, post a link where UAE has opted for Gripen over Rafale.

I am not underestimating JFT avionics at all. But you are one claiming that Rafale is a gen behind EFT, so you have got to prove it. IF you can't, you must leave the thread.