JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[farhan_9909]

@Farhan can you answer a simple question what radar is in the JF-17?

nriet klj-7

 

[LETHALFORCE]

powerful radar, not. 25 year old Zhuk copy on 40 year old airframe.

 

[Decklander]

All JF-17s will be third rate blk-1s and no blk-2 or blk-3 till they deliver on repayement. The boundary talks between India and china have reached a conclusive phase. After that Chinese will have to stop funding Pak military. This is one of the agreements in which India & China will not support each others enemies. So they will keep SCS and we will have IOR. No competition.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

@Decklander

Russians are also supplying RD-93 at a leisurely pace they are not stupid enough to
kill their own market.

 

[Black Blood]

Pakistan has signed a deal for 250 JF-17s with China for USD 10 billion that makes the cost of JF-17 USD40million/ac. Thats huge condidering that its not even 4th Gen fighter.

WITH weapons. Including around 1000+ SD-10A/B, PL-5E BVRAAM/WVRAAM deal.

 

[Black Blood]

Next engine, will be WS-13A or RD-93MA.

 

[Black Blood]

All JF-17s will be third rate blk-1s and no blk-2 or blk-3 till they deliver on repayement. The boundary talks between India and china have reached a conclusive phase. After that Chinese will have to stop funding Pak military. This is one of the agreements in which India & China will not support each others enemies. So they will keep SCS and we will have IOR. No competition.

Very, bad news for Pakistan indeed, we should be pissing our pants with fear..:thumb:

 

[Defcon 1]

one ordered in may 2012

and one in august/oct 2012

Those were not separate orders. Your minister was talking about the same order to the media. Also, you forget to see the bigger picture. The rate of induction of JF17 is constrained not because of the availability of aircraft, but because of inability of train pilots and ground crew quickly. Having 50 additional aircraft will only exacerbate this problem. Any airforce will be foolish to order additional 50 when they are struggling to train pilots for the current rate of production.

 

[farhan_9909]

Those were not separate orders. Your minister was talking about the same order to the media. Also, you forget to see the bigger picture. The rate of induction of JF17 is constrained not because of the availability of aircraft, but because of inability of train pilots and ground crew quickly. Having 50 additional aircraft will only exacerbate this problem. Any airforce will be foolish to order additional 50 when they are struggling to train pilots for the current rate of production.

this is the reason PAC/CAC are developing twin seater.
JFT is essentially a new fighter and a direct jump from mirage and f-7 will take a time to train them on JFT.


bt we will manage this.with the entry of twin seater JFT

 

[farhan_9909]

Rafale dan JF-17 Akan Bertarung di Serbia - KOMPAS.com

Rafale and JF-17 Thunder to compete in Serbia.

French-made Rafale aircraft are likely to fight with the plane made "‹"‹in China, JF-17, to fight over contract Serbian Air Force fleet rejuvenation. State ex-Yugloslavia it has budgeted about 1 billion euros ($ 11.8 billion) to buy about 12 new aircraft.

"Ideally, we would need about 12-16 new aircraft to secure our airspace. One billion euros I think fairly," said an official with the Serbian Defense Ministry told Reuters on Friday (16/12/2011) local time.

In a separate occasion, Serbian Air Force Chief of Staff Brigadier General Ranko Zivak say, the Kemenhan Serbia will invite manufacturers from around the world plane to make an offer next year. Some Serb fighter who ogled among others Sukhoi Su-30 from Russia, the F-16 and F/A-18 from the U.S., Sweden's Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon from the European consortium, the Rafale from France, and the JF-17 from China.

AU Serbia is currently living with three MiG-29 and about a dozen old MiG-21 aircraft from the Soviet Union era. Most of the ancient Serbian air force because of unkempt damaged after it got from the UN arms embargo-related involvement in the Balkan wars in the era of the 1990s. Some fleet of MiG-29 Serbian also destroyed in NATO bombing campaign in 1999.

According to the magazine Zivak Odbrana defense, fighter procurement plans will enter the final stage, this month. Serbia must decide whether to choose a product developed by NATO or remain faithful to its main ally, Russia and China.


Source: http://www.-----------/forums/pakis...-17-thunder-compete-serbia.html#ixzz2EXgFP1U8

 

[Defcon 1]

this is the reason PAC/CAC are developing twin seater.
JFT is essentially a new fighter and a direct jump from mirage and f-7 will take a time to train them on JFT.


bt we will manage this.with the entry of twin seater JFT

That is not even the point. The main point is that at this moment, pakistan doesn't has the ability to train staff for 100 planes in 4-5 years. So it won't order 100 planes. We will talk about the trainer when it is ready.

Rafale dan JF-17 Akan Bertarung di Serbia - KOMPAS.com

Why is Mig-29 not in the list of competitors? Without Mig-29, it could be very easy for JF17, unless it gets a good deal for Gripen.

 

[farhan_9909]

That is not even the point. The main point is that at this moment, pakistan doesn't has the ability to train staff for 100 planes in 4-5 years. So it won't order 100 planes. We will talk about the trainer when it is ready.

the trainer variant is in development for the past few years and might be revealed along with the block II in the next few months.at max 6 months

Why is Mig-29 not in the list of competitors? Without Mig-29, it could be very easy for JF17, unless it gets a good deal for Gripen

they already have 3 mig 29 as per the above report

Gripen is a expansive fighter.bt offer as much as would be JFT II do.excluding AESA

bt JFT weapon package is alot awesome.

 

[Black Blood]

JF-17 and J-31

 

[lcatejas]

JF-17 and J-31

When pak is planning to buy J-31 ? :shocked:

 

[farhan_9909]

JF-17 and J-31

Future of PAF

 

[farhan_9909]

Super performance
never seen even gripen performance as good

 

[Blackwater]

When pak is planning to buy J-31 ? :shocked:

r u nuts. how dare you use word "" buy"" for pakistan:taunt1::taunt1:

 

[Blackwater]

Future of PAF

present and future of pakistan

 

[lcatejas]

r u nuts. how dare you use word "" buy"" for pakistan:taunt1::taunt1:

I was trying to crack a joke ..

 

[farhan_9909]

anyone noticed the specs of JFT from zhuhai airshow 2012?

4600kg payload is awesome.there is one picture of JFT older picture though with dual racks on 2nd and 6th hardpoint
confirmation that JFT can even take 6 BVR

Length: 14.0m
Height: 5.1m
Wingspan: 8.5m
Normal Take-off Weight: 9,100kg
Maximum Take-off Weight: 12,700kg
Maximum Thrust 8,700kg (afterburn)
Maximum External Stores: 4,600kg
Take-off and Landing Distance: 380/650m
Max Speed (mach): 1.6
Service ceiling: <16,700m
Ferry range: 2037km