JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Defcon 1]

Pakistan has signed a deal for 250 JF-17s with China for USD 10 billion that makes the cost of JF-17 USD40million/ac. Thats huge condidering that its not even 4th Gen fighter.

I read an article by a US author some time back when specifically mentioned 3 different deals for JF17, and the total number was just 150 aircraft then. I don't know the source of this rumor of 10 billion dollars for 250 aircrafts, but I am pretty sure it is not from a reliable source. Please post if you find something contradictory.

 

[Apollyon]

I read an article by a US author some time back when specifically mentioned 3 different deals for JF17, and the total number was just 150 aircraft then. I don't know the source of this rumor of 10 billion dollars for 250 aircrafts, but I am pretty sure it is not from a reliable source. Please post if you find something contradictory.

As per the reliable Pakistani commentators (on other forum) PAF is finding it difficult to even pay the interest on the Soft Loans to China leave alone the next batch of JF-17. You can bet if pakis had the fund they would have certainly gone for J-10 instead of JF-17.

 

[Defcon 1]

As per the reliable Pakistani commentators (on other forum) PAF is finding it difficult to even pay the interest on the Soft Loans to China leave alone the next batch of JF-17. You can bet if pakis had the fund they would have certainly gone for J-10 instead of JF-17.

That is not the point. I am just talking about the size of the deal for JF17. It has nothing to do with pakistan's financial position.

 

[Apollyon]

JF-17 Thunder orders and deliveries

"¢ PAF ordered eight JF-17 aircraft. The first two were delivered on 12 March 2007 and the remaining six were delivered in 2008.
"¢ PAF will procure 42 JF-17 fighters as part of an $800m contract signed in March 2009. It plans to procure 250 aircraft at a cost of $3bn-5bn.
"¢ The first two aircraft were delivered in 2009. The first Pakistani-built JF-17 was delivered to PAF in November 2009.
"¢ Approximately 200 JF-17 aircraft will be procured by 2015

JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong Multirole Combat Aircraft - Airforce Technology
@Defcon 1
Maybe the $10 Billion Dollar figure is including total life-cycle and weapon procurement cost.

 

[Defcon 1]

JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong Multirole Combat Aircraft - Airforce Technology
@Defcon 1
Maybe the $10 Billion Dollar figure is including total life-cycle and weapon procurement cost.

Maybe, but I think we can both agree on the fact that no single deal of worth 10 billion was signed as clear from your post about a 800 million dollar contract being signed. In all probability, PAF has not signed contracts for more than 150 planes yet. Possibly they will do it later, after seeing how JF17 Blk III turns out.

 

[farhan_9909]

6-8 countries are generally named as 'potential customers' by PAC, there delegation have visited PAC number of times in past couple of years.

Zimbabwe AF delegation at PAC.

 

[farhan_9909]

'PAC Kamra capable of exporting JF-17 Thunder jets'
November 11, 2012

Pakistan has the capacity to export indigenously manufactured JF-17 Thunder fighter jet after meeting PAF requirements, Chairman of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), Kamra, Air Marshal Sohail Gul said on Saturday. In an interview on Saturday, Air Marshal Sohail Gul said that 60 percent of the fighter aircraft's airframe would be manufactured in Pakistan by next year.

He said that so far, PAF had been supplied 47 JF-17 Thunders, adding that three more would be handed over to the air force by the end of this year. Air Marshal Sohail Gul said the current manufacturing/ assembly capacity was 16 per year, which could be enhanced to 25 or 26, depending on demand. He said several countries had shown interest in acquiring these aircraft, adding that he was confident that JF-17 would soon be seen flying in the Middle East and Far East.

'PAC Kamra capable of exporting JF-17 Thunder jets' | Business Recorder

 

[farhan_9909]

Maybe, but I think we can both agree on the fact that no single deal of worth 10 billion was signed as clear from your post about a 800 million dollar contract being signed. In all probability, PAF has not signed contracts for more than 150 planes yet. Possibly they will do it later, after seeing how JF17 Blk III turns out.

indeed it will depend upon JFT III
and Order for JFT III will only be made when it is ready
probably in 2016-17

 

[farhan_9909]

As per Pakdef each JFT block 1 cost about 40millions(weapons+operational+manufacturing) cost

JFT II being 12-15millions more expansive would cost around 50millions

 

[p2prada]

As per Pakdef each JFT block 1 cost about 40millions(weapons+operational+manufacturing) cost

JFT II being 12-15millions more expansive would cost around 50millions

Finally realistic prices are available.

That's more or less half the cost of the F-16 B52, at least this sounds realistic.

 

[p2prada]

Pakistan has signed a deal for 250 JF-17s with China for USD 10 billion that makes the cost of JF-17 USD40million/ac. Thats huge condidering that its not even 4th Gen fighter.

PAF only has a deal for 150 aircraft. 50 B1s and 100 B2s.

The B3s are in development, hence there is no contract for it. Total fleet size is "expected" to be 250, but this is not even on paper as of today.

 

[Apollyon]

Finally realistic prices are available.

That's more or less half the cost of the F-16 B52, at least this sounds realistic.

I think by $40 million dollar they meant procurement cost + total life cycle cost + cost of weapons not the procurement + weapons, this is in the line with the news of deal signed for first batch of JF-17 ( $800 million for first 42 JF-17, fly-away cost ~ $19 million)

 

[Decklander]

PAF only has a deal for 150 aircraft. 50 B1s and 100 B2s.

The B3s are in development, hence there is no contract for it. Total fleet size is "expected" to be 250, but this is not even on paper as of today.

My post on this issue is based on a newspaper article in Pak newspapers about this scandal. Here is the link in urdu. I had read the english version of it and cant locate it now. can any member help?
Pakistan Air Force Scandal Of JF 17 Thunder | Nationpk

 

[gokussj9]

My post on this issue is based on a newspaper article in Pak newspapers about this scandal. Here is the link in urdu. I had read the english version of it and cant locate it now. can any member help?
Pakistan Air Force Scandal Of JF 17 Thunder | Nationpk

Urdunama: Khas Dost | The Filter Coffee

 

[Decklander]

Urdunama: Khas Dost | The Filter Coffee

Yes that is it.

 

[farhan_9909]

 

[gokussj9]

Chinese JF-17 is a Cheap Competition For The F-16 - China Defense Mashup

 

[farhan_9909]

 

[Defcon 1]

PAF only has a deal for 150 aircraft. 50 B1s and 100 B2s.

The B3s are in development, hence there is no contract for it. Total fleet size is "expected" to be 250, but this is not even on paper as of today.

I disagree, as far as I know, the initial plan was to have 50 aircraft of each block. Any number of additional aircraft will be from block III only.

Also, having 100 Blk II doesn't make any sense, because Blk III will be ready around 2016-17, and only about 50 BlkII will have been produced by that time, so if PAF decides to go for 100 Blk II, that would mean that JF17 Blk III will enter production 4 years after it is ready. Why will anyone do that?

 

[p2prada]

They plan on making 30 a year. That comes to 100 B2 aircraft until B3 starts production.