JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[farhan_9909]

That's a lot of hardpoints. Which means this could be the configuration for the Block III?

may be fanboy stuff..though the pictures are by a chinese member from cdf "tomcat21"

if it was realities than we dnt need even the j-10

 

[farhan_9909]

Info about JFT by a chinese official in dubai airshow 2011

 

[farhan_9909]

Shots from the presentation of JFT Program Head from china side in dubai airshow

Confirms 4 tonnes payload

 

[farhan_9909]

2nd source of Above 4tonnes payload of JFT(official PAF placard)

JFT and Gripen C/D

 

[farhan_9909]

More

LREX provides a sustained Lift during High AoA maneuvers which otherwise would result in stall

LERXs & Canards, both basicly both generate vortices and add lift ahead of the center of gravity , in the case of the LERX this is due to wing fuselage blending that starts at the apex of the LERX

The F-18 has a very low swept wing which gives excellent lift at low speeds and requires less pitch , AoA to achieve lift.The best wing for low speed is not highly swept, but moderate/low swept...most combat is in that region e.g f-18

Slats/Leading edge Flaps increase the coefficient of lift-increase the maximum AOA during low speed
The tailplane serves three purposes: equilibrium, stability and control.
F-16 / f14 use ventral fins to improve lateral stability

Aerodynamic improvements produced by leading-edge flap and forebody strake/lerx on f16

 

[farhan_9909]

Full colour display such as in the gripen

COMPARED

 

[sayareakd]

2nd source of Above 4tonnes payload of JFT(official PAF placard)

JFT and Gripen C/D

funny part is that this official website says something else

Weights
Empty Weight 6,411 kg 14,134 lb
Maximum Take-Off Weight 12,474 kg 27,500 lb
Maximum Landing Weight 7,802 kg 17,200 lb
Fuel Weight 2,268 kg 5000 lb

JF-17 Specifications | JF-17 Thunder

 

[sayareakd]

funny part is that this official website says something else

Weights
Empty Weight 6,411 kg 14,134 lb
Maximum Take-Off Weight 12,474 kg 27,500 lb
Maximum Landing Weight 7,802 kg 17,200 lb
Fuel Weight 2,268 kg 5000 lb

JF-17 Specifications | JF-17 Thunder

just saw latest pic from IDEAS 2012

looks like they have two different fighters or weight machine is from China.

Weights Wiki Earlier IDEAS 2012
Empty Weight 6,411 kg 14,134 lb 6450 kg 14219.82 Ib 6586.1612kg 14520Ib
Maximum Take-Off Weight 12,474 kg 27,500 lb 12700 Kg 27998.707lb 12383.072 kg 27300Ib
Maximum Landing Weight 7,802 kg 17,200 lb
Fuel Weight 2,268 kg 5000 lb 2300kg 5070.632Ib 2313.321kg 5100Ib

 

[farhan_9909]

JF-17 Thunder /FC-1 Xiaolong Fighter Jet To Carry CM-400 AKG Supersonic Standoff Land Attack missile Missile. The CM-400AKG supersonic standoff land attack missile will be displayed at the Zhuhai 2012 Air Show

 

[farhan_9909]

Confirmation of Mar-1 in service with PAF

 

[farhan_9909]

 

[shom]

Plz avoid wasting money on defense purpose just educate ur people,,, we are not ur enemies,,,,,,,

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan should have gone for this instead of mar 1

China's first ARM breaks cover
By Robert Hewson
11/29/2012

A new air-launched anti-radiation missile (ARM) is being promoted for export by the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC). The LD-10 ( Lei Dian = Thunderbolt) is a product of the Luoyang Optoelectro Technology Development Centre (LOEC) - AVIC's primary air weapons specialist - and is closely based on LOEC's SD-10 (PL-12) beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (AAM).

The LD-10 was exhibited in public for the first time at Airshow China 2012, which was held in Zhuhai from 13-18 November. The LD-10 is the first dedicated ARM to be observed in China, and LOEC officials told IHS Jane's the weapon was already in production for an (unnamed) export customer.

AVIC data identify the PAC/AVIC JF-17 Thunder (FC-1) lightweight fighter as a "typical carrier aircraft" for the LD-10. This points directly to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) as the customer for the missile.

At Airshow China, a senior PAF officer noted that the Brazilian-builtMectron MAR-1 ARM was already integrated and operational with the JF-17 but suggested it was preferable to have "options" when it came to future JF-17 exports.

http://www.janes.com/products/janes/-...hannel=systems

 

[Black Blood]

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Sorry if it is repost good article

Is Pakistan's JF-17 a Thunder or Blunder ?

Is Pakistan's JF-17 a Thunder or Blunder ? Are the critics right in calling it Junk Fighter -17 ?

Pakistan has witnessed new defense acquisitions in this decade than any other, and in the center of it all is the new fighter which was designed by China with partial funding from Pakistan. It is formally known as JF-17 Thunder. When the fighter was in development, Pakistani online communities were jumping with excitement comparing it with its arch rival India's modern combatants Su-30MKI, MiG-29B & Mirage-2000H. There were claims of it featuring western Radars and long range missiles, & Chinese ordering some due to its superior capabilities. But the reality is far from it.

China having spent significant amount of money into a fighter which it is never going to use, most probably forced Pakistan to accept its avionics to offset some its development costs. Chinese who are known for their self reliance first and quality next, are further downgrading JF-17s capabilities with their poorly copy-pirated avionics. Along with their dubious weapons, any chance of JF-17 maintaining BVR edge over its adversary's front-line combatants, for the most part, is unlikely.

Even in close combat JF-17 lacks what it takes to win the fight. Its spine, & wings bearing resemblance(in wing twist & wing area) to a fighter which china knows inside out, the J-7, doesn't have wing twist nor does it have enough area to provide a low wing loading. Its performance during low speeds and high alphas would be very dangerous for the pilot indeed. It has a Maximum G loading of only 8, as claimed by PAC. Its thrust to weight ratio is another negative point. When its arch rival, the Indian Air Force(IAF), was overtly critical of Tejas for having a low Thrust to Weight ratio, maybe they should have compared it with JF-17 which has even less, even with Emergency Thrust. Pakistan Aeronautical Complex(PAC) proudly displays the RD-93's "Combat thrust with afterburner" as 19,200lbf, while the whole defense community knows RD-93's thrust is 18,300lbf and the only real thrust increase was achieved with its new re-designed Sea Wasp RD-33MK engines- which has been explicitly stated by Klimov. However, Klimov's RD-33 series 3(or series 2?), whose avatar is RD-93 with re-positioned Gear boxes, has a provision for emergency thrust which Klimov says can produce 8700kgf(~19200lbf) in their officially released document. They further state that as "Take-off emergency mode". So the mentioned thrust can only be used during take-off where the Air is denser, and also only during emergency situations since it would seriously lower the engine's lifespan. This is a far cry from PAC's "Combat thrust" claim. Why this is being stated is because, the engines(bought by the Chinese after pressurizing the Russians) are the only non-Chinese & non-Pakistani component, and even there they have lied about its capabilities. Hence the true, lower than published, specifications of Chinese and Pakistani components are open to any one's guesses. In any case, the close combat capabilities of JF-17 is below average or average at best.

The next Achilles heal is JF-17's speed. For a good interception, speed is an important criteria. However JF-17's max speed is Mach 1.6 which is claimed by PAC. This indicates that JF-17 is draggier. When compared, their F-7s(Reverse engineered MiG-21s) have higher speed of mach 2+ with a lower thrust engine. The IAF fighters which it is going to face, all have speeds greater than the Thunder.

So why is Pakistan still inducting more and more of this fighter, which its critics increasingly call it Junk Fighter – 17 ? The answer may lie with Pakistan's recent trauma & its psyche. Having sanctioned by the U.S, the star of their airforce, the F-16s were severally hit by lack of spares and most of the time grounded. The other 2 sources to procure modern Aircraft- Russia, have been sealed off due to the legacy of Soviet era friendship, current market in India & India's pressure- and the other source, the European Union, for their extremely high costs. The third source, the Chinese, at that time were still flying their reverse engineered MiG-21s. In those circumstances, "Never again" was the motto of PAF and it instantly jumped into the project of further reversing the reverse engineered MiG-21, known as Super-7(a.k.a Super F-7) to obtain self reliance. The result of that project is the JF-17. So the decision was appropriate at that time, in those situations. However now with China having developed the J-10, and going by the recent reports of offering ToT(Transfer of Technology) to Pakistan, one wonders why are the Pakistanis still ordering 250 planes. Is the trauma of F-16 sanctions so high that they don't even trust the Chinese? This can't be the case because they still need the Chinese to procure the RD-93 engines for them, even after the Chinese transfer all their associated JF-17 tech to PAC. So why...? The answer lies with their ego/psyche rather than the trauma. Unlike J-10, Pakistan shares copyright to JF-17 and that, for some weird reason, gives them something to celebrate about. This is strange for the reason, war machines are for fighting wars and achieving tactical & strategic objectives, not for gloating about who holds the copyrights. When JF-17 comes face to face with MKI or SMT, there won't be much to celebrate about it, or the few millions if at all it earns though exports. In the end, it's all about defending ones homeland from the enemy, and not copyrights.

JF-17 would have been the best fighter and a sensible decision in the absence of J-10, but now its reason for existence is as obsolete as the fighter itself. This writer would rather have an upgraded MiG-23MLD than a JF-17 anyday.

 

[Black Blood]

@AVERAGE INDIAN why did you have to post a wank off 3 year old post?

 

[lcatejas]

How much pakis spent on paint job ?

 

[Black Blood]

How much pakis spent on paint job ?

50% less than spent on LCA.

 

[lcatejas]

50% less than spent on LCA.

Ya we know you guys are bankrupt nation... spent karne ke liye piase bhi hone cahiye....laugh:

 

[Decklander]

50% less than spent on LCA.

Pakistan has signed a deal for 250 JF-17s with China for USD 10 billion that makes the cost of JF-17 USD40million/ac. Thats huge condidering that its not even 4th Gen fighter.