JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[Yatharth Singh]

One thing that I noticed just now that Pakistan is being supplied with mostly the latest Chinese arms and technology(also US help but they are a little outdated). So if Indians could just only find a breakthrough to the Chinese tech then the Pakistan will not be a much great difficulty for India. For example this JF-17. Pakistan going for 200+ aircrafts of this type. So if this technology(JF-17) is proven weaker by the Indians then the Pakistan would be be feeling as looted by the Chinese. I mean to say that Pakistan is being filled up with the Chinese defense market but what if Indian tech got proved better than the Chinese, then India would benefit as two shots from a single arrow.

 

[ahmedsid]

Right now, the LCA Beats down the JF 17 in the Radar Department itself! The only thing going for the JF is that its in production, while LCA has not go IOC yet.

 

[p2prada]

Is Pakistan's JF-17 a Thunder or Blunder ?

It is neither a Thunder or a Blunder.

The JF-17 is nothing special except to provide PAF a BVR platform along with being manufactured in Pakistan. So, it is in between as long as it serves a purpose. Let's see if further blocks improves over the design as time passes.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Providing Pakistan with a BVR platform is nice but trust me that this BVR misile is no match for our Astra BVRAAM. If China really wants to arm Pakistan with the best out of it then it should also give them their latest tech openly. This is a complete show off by China which shows that China is arming Pakistan with BVR missile but it doesnt look that at which BVR tech.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Providing Pakistan with a BVR platform is nice but trust me that this BVR misile is no match for our Astra BVRAAM. If China really wants to arm Pakistan with the best out of it then it should also give them their latest tech openly. This is a complete show off by China which shows that China is arming Pakistan with BVR missile but it doesnt look that at which BVR tech.

Well you have to say that Chinese are giving us the best they have, JF-17, J-10 & then A-100 MBRLs & there's evidence that we even have FT-2000

SD-10 will be fully integrated by the end of this year, PL-5 has already been tested on JF-17...

& C-802, LJ-6 & Pods have been exhibited for the first with JF-17

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Well you have to say that Chinese are giving us the best they have, JF-17, J-10 & then A-100 MBRLs & there's evidence that we even have FT-2000

SD-10 will be fully integrated by the end of this year, PL-5 has already been tested on JF-17...

Has China successfully developed FT-2000??

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Well you have to say that Chinese are giving us the best they have, JF-17, J-10 & then A-100 MBRLs & there's evidence that we even have FT-2000

SD-10 will be fully integrated by the end of this year, PL-5 has already been tested on JF-17...

Has China successfully developed FT-2000??

Sorry HQ-9

FT-2000 is more advanced than HQ-9, Mixed them

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Sorry HQ-9

FT-2000 is more advanced than HQ-9, Mixed them

Pakistan is ok with China buying S-300'S and selling HQ-9'S??

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Pakistan is ok with China buying S-300'S and selling HQ-9'S??

something is better than nothing, We lack long range SAM capability, Of Course it will be inferior to S-300

& if I am not wrong Russians delivered those S-300 Batteries, after quite sometime

 

[Singh]

India believes in a short war as envisaged by their Cold Start doctrine.

This means aerial battles will take place in Pak airspace. This also means PAF jets will outnumber IAF jets, will have ground support, good radar coverage and SAM batteries. It will not be 1 on 1 aerial fights.

In short IAF will have to quickly achieve complete air superiority that means taking out PAF and SEAD whilst providing Air support to Indian Army which will be entering Pak through 8 routes, carrying out strategic/tactical bombing runs, keeping Indian airspace secure and being alert on the eastern front to thwart any Chinese mischief.

A jet with BVR missiles and in decent numbers can make IAF's job very very tough. So I don't think JF-17 is a blunder.

 

[Yusuf]

Even a small bird is dangerous and taken care of by pilots so that it doesn't bring down a multi million dollar plane, A bird with a trained pilot and weapons loaded will be taken lightly only to Indias own peril. IAF being a professional unit would be taking any thunder or blunder seriously so as to not get its nose bloodied at any point.

 

[Rahul Singh]

As Singh said future battles will be fought in pakistani skies and one thing that can not be forgotten here that the jets which will go deep inside pakistan will be of 4.5++ gen and 5 gen standards. Here it shall not be wrong or prejudice to say that the backbone of PAF or the jet which will be available in numbers named JF-17-- an all metal(relatively large RCS) jet-- will have to have matching radars, BVRAAM missiles and jammers of at least 4.5++ gen caliber to score a kill against these jets. And let me be generous enough to say sorry before saying that present Chinese avionics and weapons abroad JF-17 is no where close to.

So in my opinion, JF-17 will remain a Blunder as long as JF-17 doesn't get french/western avionics, radar, BVRAAM and jammers.

 

[Armand2REP]

Pakistan is ok with China buying S-300'S and selling HQ-9'S??

Pakistan don't even want FT-2000 of which they clearly need against a force as powerful as the IAF. Tells us something is seriously wrong with it.

 

[Rahul Singh]

Only in the pitch axis saya, 't has conventional controls in the yaw and roll axis.

Is JF-17 built with negative stability or positive?

I don't get the idea, why they will leave much crucial YAW when it have FBW for pitch? Correct me if i'm wrong but an aircraft with negative stability needs FBW control in pitch as well as YAW to help aircraft maintain desired flight level and heading when control stick input is negligible.

FBW control's second job is to keep aircraft movements(while hard maneuvering) within design limits. And in case of low speed flying, FBW control input(by making necessary rudder movement) in YAW specially helps protect jet from entering into flat spin. Here it will not be wrong to say that maneuvering JF-17 at limits will be extremely risky considering that JF-17 is built with negative stability .

 

[pankaj nema]

When J 10 is already operational why is pakistan wasting time and money with JF 17.
Similarly why China should waste its time and human resources on JF 17 in which they are not interested.
China is interested in J 10 , J11 ,J xx stealth and J 15 carrier based plane.

China has unlimited money but human resources are always limited.
If there so many projects then some will definitely suffer.

 

[Welcome]

When J 10 is already operational why is pakistan wasting time and money with JF 17.
Similarly why China should waste its time and human resources on JF 17 in which they are not interested.
China is interested in J 10 , J11 ,J xx stealth and J 15 carrier based plane.

China has unlimited money but human resources are always limited.
If there so many projects then some will definitely suffer.

one j-10b cost is approx.$30 mn and jh-17 is only $17 mn...so for the country like Pakistan will always prefer jf-17. china developed jf-17 only for sell it not for use it. every one knows it jf-17 is just little superior to Mig-21 bison. so why china use it.....

 

[nitesh]

^^

Wong mate, the JF 17 were given on soft loans hence they have to take it. Beggars are not choosers

 

[Yatharth Singh]

India believes in a short war as envisaged by their Cold Start doctrine.
A jet with BVR missiles and in decent numbers can make IAF's job very very tough. So I don't think JF-17 is a blunder.

In the near future, almost all the new jets of the world will be equipped with BVRM. Then it does not means that the air forces of the world should think their job tougher. Technology changes with time and so are weapons and too changes the training and skills to cope up with the new weapons. You cant blame the opponent for having latest weapons. It is not so that only Pakistan will be only occupying the BVRM. India has better BVRM + better avionics and jets than the Chinese.

In the sky, not only the jets that matters but the thing that matters more is the training ,ability and skills of the air warrior. And IAF has all these qualities and also by chance India also have the best air equipments in the sub-continent. So no need to worry.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Jets need an engine before anything else, all accessories are secondary.

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Pakistan offers JF-17 jet fighters to Indonesian Air Force

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Pakistan Defense Minister Chaudhary Ahmed Mukhtar offers his Indonesian counterpart the latest jet fighter called the JF-17 during his visit to Jakarta on Wednesday.Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro responded to the offer, saying that further discussion would be conducted in October."We will see it first before we decide if we have an interest in purchasing the aircraft," Purnomo said.Purnomo said he learned there had been 500 JF-17 jet fighters produced; 350 are allocated for Pakistan and the remaining 150 are for China.

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