JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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Though first prototype flew without radar...
Not known which radar they have chosen...
...And that's why Pakistan has 100+ Jf-17s in service today, whatever the quality.

They had J-10's dual rabbits available to Jf-17 for years.
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This is so called Rafael killer ?, come on I was expecting better than this so what is the structural difference between blk 2 and 3 , just add aesa and fly by wire and then call blk 3 , wow then it will be roughly equaling with mk1a , now am waiting for blk 4 the raptor killer ...

PS: see guys just to add 3 Axis fly by wire and aesa they made in to new blocks, where our guys do this thing and still not Worthy in our Desi presitutes
 

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Will it now?!!..  :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Don't know look like the airframe just like blk2 so not much aerodynamic behavior change can expected, but if it have improved engine and gud radar may be it will be worth to 10% fan fart given by pak boys
 

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Will it now?!!..  :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Don't know look like the airframe just like blk2 so not much aerodynamic behavior change can expected, but if it have improved engine and gud radar may be it will be worth to 10% fan fart given by pak boys
 

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Notice the Maws and HUD.
The HUD Is larger than the pilots head!!
 

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Notice the Maws and HUD.
The HUD Is larger than the pilots head!!
When u have hmd u have much more situational awareness and mission data representation, maws is welcome move but still it not a Major improvement their bk1 and 2 already have this one may be this one borrowed from j10c avionics, am looking frwd to which one is its engine if no engine upgrad it will be same as blk2 with avionics upgraded
 

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When u have hmd u have much more situational awareness and mission data representation, maws is welcome move but still it not a Major improvement their bk1 and 2 already have this one may be this one borrowed from j10c avionics, am looking frwd to which one is its engine if no engine upgrad it will be same as blk2 with avionics upgraded
There is no engine upgrade, its still the RD93. Other than the fanboys, it was always believed Blk 3 was more of an internal upgrade like Mk1 to Mk1a tejas rather than major upgrade.
But seriously that HUD is probably the largest ever fit to anything that I've seen.
 

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EHUD-2 displayed on AirShow China 2018



BTW. FC-1 is such a small/light plane, so something seems bigger....the perfect size fit might be here.



similar S740 MAWS borrowed from J-10C porject



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as I said earlier.
https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/jf-17-thunder-fc-1-xiaolong.10847/page-167
on Airshow China 2018

(1). HMD...around 3 models in the catalog


(2).holographic wide-angle HUD...there is another earlier model on J11B/BS J10B/C.


(3). KG600


(4). NG MAWS on J-10C


(5). PL-10E
 
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for both purposes following the J-10S trainer design thinking ...

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here comes the first batch of images of FC-1/JF-17 Block3....source: Weibo social media.
the maiden flight took place days ago.

That's not a holographic HUD(none of Chinese planes have at current).
 

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Don't know look like the airframe just like blk2 so not much aerodynamic behavior change can expected, but if it have improved engine
The spine is different...widened & raised like later Mig-21 Bis/Bison versions. Most likely to make room for fuel. No new engine, so increased range.
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Notice the Maws and HUD.
The HUD Is larger than the pilots head!!
That's claimed to be a new wide-angle holographic HUD (somewhat negated by HUD, but still advantageous)... it's crude & cumbersome . I'm not sure if Tejas Mark 1A will be getting MAWS.
Both points to FC-1 Block III in that case.
That's not a holographic HUD(none of Chinese planes have at current).
Sure? This being their first one, is still untested. So they could be using the Paki platform until it matures.
 
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To be honest, Jf17 will be quite a decent platform if they can buy it with AESA and other internal improvements for under $40m.
 

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As per this source, te E-Hud of blk 3 is more advanced than the one fitted on j-20
 
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To be honest, Jf17 will be quite a decent platform if they can buy it with AESA and other internal improvements for under $40m.
It's a junk plane stop giving it any importance, they inducted 120 of these & it has yet to match Mk1a specifications --- it's necessity not what PAF want.
 

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It's a junk plane stop giving it any importance, they inducted 120 of these & it has yet to match Mk1a specifications --- it's necessity not what PAF want.
I said 'decent', which is far from great. I mean if PAF is able to replace its Mirage 3/5 and F7 with JF17 entirely, then they'd have standardized most of their fleet and will save a lot of money and effort in the upkeep and providing spares. The R&D will be taken care of by the Chinese, so PAF will only have to pay for procurement.

And to be frank, even Mk1a is not upto the specifications put up for itself yet, since not even one airframe has been built.

The target for both tejas and Jf17 is pretty much the same -
Lightweight single seat point defense fighter,
secondary ground attack role,
built of indigenous content,
costing no more than $1B per squadron including accessories, spares etc.
 
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View attachment 41085 View attachment 41084 As per this source, te E-Hud of blk 3 is more advanced than the one fitted on j-20
how could be ?...be realistic plz...

there are three Generations of holographic HUD projects in China. the J20 owns the latest Generation one. that EHUD-2 is just the improved 2nd Gen one for EXPORT purpose with some 3rd Gen tech ... the typical 2nd Gen one is the holographic HUD on J11B/15/16/10B/10C.
 

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how could be ?...be realistic plz...

there are three Generations of holographic HUD projects in China. the J20 owns the latest Generation one. that EHUD-2 is just the improved 2nd Gen one for EXPORT purpose with some 3rd Gen tech ... the typical 2nd Gen one is the holographic HUD on J11B/15/16/10B/10C.
Why would China allow its latest gen tech on a JV(susceptible to espionage) rather than its coveted 5th gen project. Its logical.
JF17 would get no better than China 2nd tier A/Cs
 

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