JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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Well atleast it proves jf17 is inferior to even FA-50.

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Based on your logic, so does Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Kfir, the Dassault Mirage F1, the Alenia M-346FT, the Aero L-159 ALCA, the CAC FC-1/PAC JF-17 Thunder, the Saab Gripen, early-model Eurofighter Typhoons.
 

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Based on your logic, so does Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Kfir, the Dassault Mirage F1, the Alenia M-346FT, the Aero L-159 ALCA, the CAC FC-1/PAC JF-17 Thunder, the Saab Gripen, early-model Eurofighter Typhoons.
Gripen and tyfoon are in different league .they are 3-4 times costly then jf17 or fa50 .

Kfir is at end of platform life. Rest are inferior to fa50.

Why do Chinese have such a hard time comprehending simple sentences.

If you think gripen or tyfoon were in competition with fa50 you are an idiot.

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Pakistan refuses Chinese engines in China’s JF-17 fighters

As the JF-17 is one of China’s “clean slate” designs, this bodes well for the reliability characteristics of the current generation of Chinese aircraft. However, the JF-17 still uses a Russian engine, and the Pakistan Air Force rejected offers to use Chinese engines in their JF-17s in 2015. Engines remain a critical weakness in the Chinese aerospace industry. The 2019 India-Pakistan border skirmish resulted in major shake-ups within the Indian Air Force (IAF). The most accepted narrative, that of a loss of an IAF MiG-21 Bison to no losses of the Pakistan Air Force bodes poorly for the IAF. But interestingly, according to a July interview, the skirmish marked one of the first “hot” use of Pakistan’s new Chinese JF-17 “Thunder” fighters. The JF-17 is a relatively new single-engine fighter, meant to compete against other light fighters like the F-16, Gripen, and MiG-29 for export contracts. As the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is the only large user, most solid information about the aircraft is from Chinese marketing documents. But the July interview gives one pilot’s opinion on how the JF-17 stacks up against most common adversaries, from Sukhois to F-16s. The extent of the JF-17’s “hot” usage following the border skirmish was in patrols near the border. In some incidents, the pilot said that during these patrols, he was getting radar lock-on Su-30MKIs at ranges in excess of 100 kilometers. However, this doesn’t mean that a JF-17 could kill with a missile at that range. The JF-17’s primary beyond-visual-range (BVR) armament is the PL-12 missile, which is still undergoing integration (as of February 2019). During the actual border air skirmish, PAF F-16s lobbed AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missiles at similar ranges, which forced IAF aircraft to go defensive to dodge the missiles, but no kills were scored. As the PL-12 is said to have a similar range to the AMRAAM, it’s likely that its kinematic performance at range is similar, and it too wouldn’t be able to score a kill. But if the JF-17 allows the pilot to “lob” a missile at planes at such ranges, it still might be a step ahead of the IAF’s Su-30MKIs. According to an NDTV report, the Russian R-77 missiles cannot engage targets past 80 km. Despite the Su-30’s missile limitations, the JF-17 pilot said that the Su-30 was one of the most formidable threats the PAF faces. This is likely due to the strong engines and maneuvering capability of the Su-30, which allows it to recover energy quickly after maneuvering and makes it hard to shoot down in a within visual range (WVR) engagement. Interestingly, the pilot then goes onto state that he’s not that afraid of the Su-30 because he’s trained against F-16s with AMRAAMs, which he thinks is a far superior missile. The pilot also states that the MICA on the Mirage is also a significant threat. This suggests that the pilot probably thinks that the fight will be largely decided, or largely influenced by the BVR stage of the engagement and that the JF-17’s capabilities in that arena are competitive to the F-16 and Mirage. However, the pilot does say that the JF-17’s limited BVR loadout is its main weakness, as most models of the JF-17 can only carry four BVR missiles, compared to the Su-30MKI which can carry eight or more. The pilot also gives good marks to the JF-17 for reliability, flight characteristics, and maintenance. As the JF-17 is one of China’s “clean slate” designs, this bodes well for the reliability characteristics of the current generation of Chinese aircraft. However, the JF-17 still uses a Russian engine, and the PAF rejected offers to use Chinese engines in their JF-17s in 2015. Engines remain a critical weakness in the Chinese aerospace industry.
https://idrw.org/pakistan-refuses-chinese-engines-in-chinas-jf-17-fighters/
 

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Dum Laga ke Haisha....

hey ........... come on ............ they just reached there ........... pushing the junk from pak to paris ................ that is the only way to use it
u not seen small boys play with toy planes .............. well when they grow up the toy is also larger.
 

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Pakistan refuses Chinese engines in China’s JF-17 fighters

As the JF-17 is one of China’s “clean slate” designs, this bodes well for the reliability characteristics of the current generation of Chinese aircraft. However, the JF-17 still uses a Russian engine, and the Pakistan Air Force rejected offers to use Chinese engines in their JF-17s in 2015. Engines remain a critical weakness in the Chinese aerospace industry. The 2019 India-Pakistan border skirmish resulted in major shake-ups within the Indian Air Force (IAF). The most accepted narrative, that of a loss of an IAF MiG-21 Bison to no losses of the Pakistan Air Force bodes poorly for the IAF. But interestingly, according to a July interview, the skirmish marked one of the first “hot” use of Pakistan’s new Chinese JF-17 “Thunder” fighters. The JF-17 is a relatively new single-engine fighter, meant to compete against other light fighters like the F-16, Gripen, and MiG-29 for export contracts. As the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is the only large user, most solid information about the aircraft is from Chinese marketing documents. But the July interview gives one pilot’s opinion on how the JF-17 stacks up against most common adversaries, from Sukhois to F-16s. The extent of the JF-17’s “hot” usage following the border skirmish was in patrols near the border. In some incidents, the pilot said that during these patrols, he was getting radar lock-on Su-30MKIs at ranges in excess of 100 kilometers. However, this doesn’t mean that a JF-17 could kill with a missile at that range. The JF-17’s primary beyond-visual-range (BVR) armament is the PL-12 missile, which is still undergoing integration (as of February 2019). During the actual border air skirmish, PAF F-16s lobbed AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missiles at similar ranges, which forced IAF aircraft to go defensive to dodge the missiles, but no kills were scored. As the PL-12 is said to have a similar range to the AMRAAM, it’s likely that its kinematic performance at range is similar, and it too wouldn’t be able to score a kill. But if the JF-17 allows the pilot to “lob” a missile at planes at such ranges, it still might be a step ahead of the IAF’s Su-30MKIs. According to an NDTV report, the Russian R-77 missiles cannot engage targets past 80 km. Despite the Su-30’s missile limitations, the JF-17 pilot said that the Su-30 was one of the most formidable threats the PAF faces. This is likely due to the strong engines and maneuvering capability of the Su-30, which allows it to recover energy quickly after maneuvering and makes it hard to shoot down in a within visual range (WVR) engagement. Interestingly, the pilot then goes onto state that he’s not that afraid of the Su-30 because he’s trained against F-16s with AMRAAMs, which he thinks is a far superior missile. The pilot also states that the MICA on the Mirage is also a significant threat. This suggests that the pilot probably thinks that the fight will be largely decided, or largely influenced by the BVR stage of the engagement and that the JF-17’s capabilities in that arena are competitive to the F-16 and Mirage. However, the pilot does say that the JF-17’s limited BVR loadout is its main weakness, as most models of the JF-17 can only carry four BVR missiles, compared to the Su-30MKI which can carry eight or more. The pilot also gives good marks to the JF-17 for reliability, flight characteristics, and maintenance. As the JF-17 is one of China’s “clean slate” designs, this bodes well for the reliability characteristics of the current generation of Chinese aircraft. However, the JF-17 still uses a Russian engine, and the PAF rejected offers to use Chinese engines in their JF-17s in 2015. Engines remain a critical weakness in the Chinese aerospace industry.
https://idrw.org/pakistan-refuses-chinese-engines-in-chinas-jf-17-fighters/
The reality of Chinese tech keeps coming out.
Paki were scouting all over Europe for an aesa and weaponary for jf17 block 3. Only Italy was interested in selling them aesa and yet it was too costly.
 

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PAF is a professional air force they went for the best they could afford JF 17 and with time chinese radar and missiles will pick up and they'll have a formidable fighter jet. They dont need to shop for European radar specially from those who are against their jihad. Its just a matter of time when they will be the barrier against porkistani jihad . Only china is the true friend of Porks.

We need to churn out tejas in big no.s to take them down in the number game.

272 su 100 Rafale 300 + tejas with remaining mig 29 UPG/mirage by 30s should be the ideal structure .
 

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PAF is a professional air force they went for the best they could afford JF 17 and with time chinese radar and missiles will pick up and they'll have a formidable fighter jet. They dont need to shop for European radar specially from those who are against their jihad. Its just a matter of time when they will be the barrier against porkistani jihad . Only china is the true friend of Porks.

We need to churn out tejas in big no.s to take them down in the number game.

272 su 100 Rafale 300 + tejas with remaining mig 29 UPG/mirage by 30s should be the ideal structure .
JF17 is underpowered to combat any aircraft IAF has.
 

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JF17 is underpowered to combat any aircraft IAF has.
They have ruhani power on their side.

JF 17 have its purpose BVR + Strike mission when escorted by upgraded F 16s . They are getting that. Calling it junk won't help our pilots who are in a mess with 1960s junk to fly.

While the babudom and corruption is eating them inside out.
 

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Pakistan gearing up to export the JF-17 Thunder Fighter Jets to 4 Countries
Pakistan is gearing up to sell its widely acclaimed JF-17 Thunder fight aircraft to four different countries. Jointly-produced with China, JF-17 Thunder is the pride of Pakistan Air Force’s arsenal, and several countries, including Malaysia, have been eyeing it.

Sources reveal that Pakistan is all set to explore the export markets in countries in Indian neighbourhood, alongside wooing several of New Delhi’s traditional defence collaborations across Africa.


JF-17 Thunder Exports ::


During the Pakistan Army Chief’s visit to Beijing in October, the agenda was dominated by the supplies of the Chinese fighter aircraft and other military components and hardware, which will be exported to other countries.

Sources reveal that Pakistan intends to dispatch batches of the JF-17 Thunder fighter aircrafts to India’s neighbor, Myanmar, and one of New Delhi’s oldest defence partners in Africa, Nigeria. Myanmar has already procured four JF-17 Thunder aircrafts with Chinese assistance, and Pakistan is now gearing up to export the Thunder jets to Malaysia and Azerbaijan.

Sources reveal that additional fighter jets will be procured by Nigeria, which has already bought three JF-17s from Pakistan. Analysts observe that the greatest selling features of JF-17s are their premium quality hardware and affordability.

Pakistan’s purchase to Myanmar gained immense publicity, which encouraged the military complex to seek out other buyers for its JF-17 Thunder jets. In 2018, Pakistan had discussed the prospects of future sales of Azerbaijan and Malaysia, alongside selling additional fighter jets to Nigeria.


Pakistan’s Defence Complex ::

Pakistan’s collaboration with China and the assistance in terms of technology transfers has allowed the country to manufacture its own military hardware. The JF-17 Thunder is the pivot of Pakistan’s defence strategy.

Sources reveal that Pakistan is increasingly venturing towards manufacturing tanks and other military equipment for its land-based forces with the assistance of technology transfers from China. Moreover, Chinese technology and hardware have also assisted Pakistan in expanding and innovating its Navy.

Senior government officials who discussed the JF-17 Thunder jet sales with the Nikkei Asian Review revealed that since 2018, Pakistan has intensified its bid to export batches of the JF-17 Thunder fighter jets.

The officials say that Pakistan is all set to manufacture the JF-17 Block III, an upgraded version of the JF-17 Thunder, which will be presented in 2020. The JF-17 Bock III will be powered with additional weaponry, new technologies and a much more advanced radar system.

The officials added that China’s assistance has been instrumental in aiding Pakistan to develop a commercially viable defence industry so it can avoid investing in expensive military hardware and instead, contribute to the economy with defence sales.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/P...17-Thunder-Fighter-Jets-to-4-Countries-757760
 

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