JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

[rone]

No you're incorrect. F16 is exclusively linked With NATO platform only,it can't communicate with a Chinese or a Russian platform.

i said it already check my replay, f16 using link 16 jf17 not, what i mean by support is escort role where jf17 can use as bomb truck with a variety of standoff and laser-guided weapons

 

[Steven Rogers]

i said it already check my replay, f16 using link 16 jf17 not, what i mean by support is escort role where jf17 can use as bomb truck with a variety of standoff and laser-guided weapons

Jf17 is not capable of being a bomb truck. If these fighters unable to communicate with eachother then its foolish to undertake an offensive fight against a superior enemy. Last they did so they lost an F16.

 

[Akhileshwa]

Jf17 is not capable of being a bomb truck. If these fighters unable to communicate with eachother then its foolish to undertake an offensive fight against a superior enemy. Last they did so they lost an F16.

Lost an f-16 of which there is no proof.

 

[Bleh]

Lost an f-16 of which there is no proof.

You didn't even manage to get WC Abhi say "i didn't shoot down any f-16" on film... even when he was captured.

Neither did LM or US challenge the Indian claim of shooting down the champion f-16 by a vintage relic! (LM actually refuted it by themselves when your Awam claimed something like that on to Twitter)

That's enough to know what needs to be known. Radar data won't be made public.

 

[Akhileshwa]

You didn't even manage to get WC Abhi say "i didn't shoot down any f-16" on film... even when he was captured.

Neither did LM or US challenge the Indian claim of shooting town f-16 by a vintage relic! (LM actually refuted that themselves when your Awam claimed something like that on to Twitter)

That's enough to know what needs to be known. Radar data won't be made public.

Sorry, all the paki shit posting must be getting to me

 

[Rahul Singh]

Sorry, all the paki shit posting must be getting to me

Ask Pakis about proof of F-16 or what they like to say ".................not F-16 but JF-17" shooting down Wing Co, Abhinandan's Mig-21.

Funny, all the time Pakis were asking for proof and we were looking here and there. No one actually returned the favor by asking: Was Mig21 actually shot down...... if so where is the proof?

Don't we know Mig-21 crashes all the time due to technical failures? So were is the proof that it did not crash due to a technical failure on 27th Feb also?

 

[Steven Rogers]

Lost an f-16 of which there is no proof.

Their are plenty if you're smart enough to recognize it. Electronic signature and flight path of the downed f16 was recorded and handed over already to US, and they are keeping a mum and not rejecting indians claim. Pakistanis themselves arent doing audit of all their f16s. So open your eye.

 

[BON PLAN]

Speaking of Rafale. Do you include Mirage-4000 testing phase in Rafale's overall development timeline?

The design of the production model of Tejas was only frozen when TD phase had completed. That's what logic dictates. Which was in the 2003-2004 period. This is the time when the SP phase, the actual phase has begun.

All is said Astra-1 is MICA RF class missile.

We never linked AESA MMR and METEOR for Tejas MK-1A because we were not desperate.

Isreali AESA in a sense is still an interim solution so is asking for METEOR on Tejas MK-1A. We have UTTAM AESA MMR and SDFR upcoming. And this is our potent powerful combo for future.

If you want, Mirage 1 R&D phase was usefull for Rafale ....
As F16 is for F35... etc...

More seriously : Rafale is the first close coupled delta canard plane of Dassault (M4000 used fixed small canards). Rafale is the first mach 2 plane using no moving part air intake.
There is absolutely no common parts between Mirage familly and Rafale (except bolts and nuts...).

Tejas design was frozen after HAL works in 1990. It's just a fact. (HAL is not known to work fast).

Perfect. So you will not have access to Meteor for other aircraft than Rafale. I think you want it but you don't make things in the right order and right manner (but it's only my own point of view).

For the rest, UTTAM radar and new missile : just wait and see. I think, according to the last indian experiences, You will mainly have to wait.

 

[BON PLAN]

So how many of JF-17 will survive a Meteor shot from Rafale?

same question with fewer Tejas in the sky....

 

[Rahul Singh]

Tejas design was frozen after HAL works in 1990. It's just a fact. (HAL is not known to work fast).

A 'fact' as per some motivated articles, written without any logic or holistic sense of things?

When the TD phase is not over design can't be frozen? It's a logically stated fact.

LCA TD phase was to prove many new technologies like FBW, composite material airframe etc. When LCA TD-1&2 proved those in 2003-04 period, then the project received the full sanction. Also, the formal christening happened and Tejas was born out of LCA as Tejas PV-1. These are also facts.

Another fact is the development of Tejas is the responsibility of ADA, not HAL. Which only a production partner.

Perfect. So you will not have access to Meteor for other aircraft than Rafale. I think you want it but you don't make things in the right order and right manner (but it's only my own point of view).

For the rest, UTTAM radar and new missile : just wait and see. I think, according to the last indian experiences, You will mainly have to wait.

We wanted Meteor, but as a stop gap till our own SDFR gets ready. So we did not bother to do things in the so-called "right order"

As for waiting, well you reminded me of another Frenchman who spoke in a similar tone as you are now, about Astra MK-1 some 6 years ago right here on DFI. Now the fact is that Astra has entered mass production after getting into IAF.

So thank you but no thanks for your skepticism. The Uttam+SFDR is coming sooner than you think.

 

[Rahul Singh]

same question with fewer Tejas in the sky....

In netcentric warfare, Tejas would have the support of SU-30MKI as a powerful jammer. A luxury that JF-17 don't have and won't have.

 

[patriots]

Pakistani JF-17 not to Participate in LIMA 2018

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/24508/Pakistani_JF_17_not_to_Participate_in_LIMA_2018

Each and every time tejas takes part in an airshow.......jf17 skips that.........
Why.......

Bdw ye darr achha hay

 

[Akhileshwa]

Pakistani JF-17 not to Participate in LIMA 2018

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/24508/Pakistani_JF_17_not_to_Participate_in_LIMA_2018

Each and every time tejas takes part in an airshow.......jf17 skips that.........
Why.......

Bdw ye darr achha hay

Maybe they don't want us to see their capabilities.

 

[patriots]

Maybe they don't want us to see their capabilities.

What capabilities.....
They know tejas is better than their jf17......
We know their capabilities......we jammed their air defense systems.......we jammed their amraams.......
Bdw when American missiles can be jammed then whats about jf17....with chineese missiles

 

[Rahul Singh]

Maybe they don't want us to see their capabilities.

IAFalready has RCS and ESM readings of JF-17. So what else they have to hide? We know everything needed to know about Bandar.

Fact is Pakis don't want to get JF-17 equated with Tejas because it will prove the Bandar a clear loser.

Face to Face you are either a loser or winner. Pakis know their inferiority. No wonder they are running away every time.

 

[BON PLAN]

As for waiting, well you reminded me of another Frenchman who spoke in a similar tone as you are now, about Astra MK-1 some 6 years ago right here on DFI. Now the fact is that Astra has entered mass production after getting into IAF.

So thank you but no thanks for your skepticism. The Uttam+SFDR is coming sooner than you think.

The project to develop Astra missile was officially sanctioned in 2004 with a budget of ₹955 crore. Before that it was already on study (first indication ere as old as 1999). We are in 2019 and, as far as I know, it is not widely spread.

I hope UTTAM and next gen missile to come sooner. it would be the first time you are in the timing. Wait long and see what's coming.

 

[Rahul Singh]

The project to develop Astra missile was officially sanctioned in 2004 with a budget of ₹955 crore. Before that it was already on study (first indication ere as old as 1999). We are in 2019 and, as far as I know, it is not widely spread.

I hope UTTAM and next gen missile to come sooner. it would be the first time you are in the timing. Wait long and see what's coming.

Do you know that Astra-1 had to undergo the change in the chemistry of its propellant to smokeless and design of motor accordingly when the project was nearing completion?

Should I mention that even advance missile like MICA does not have smokeless propulsion?

What people fail to acknowledge that often than not the major portion of delay in Made in India products is due to stringent requirements which our services ask particularly from Indian systems.

Anyway, Astra-1 is our first attempt. Today we have experience in the development of every subsection of a BVRAAM. Getting SDFR developed from this is not as hard as starting development of a project as complex as a BVRAAM from absolute ZERO.

 

[BON PLAN]

Do you know that Astra-1 had to undergo the change in the chemistry of its propellant to smokeless and design of motor accordingly when the project was nearing completion?

Should I mention that even advance missile like MICA does not have smokeless propulsion?

What people fail to acknowledge that often than not the major portion of delay in Made in India products is due to stringent requirements which our services ask particularly from Indian systems.

Anyway, Astra-1 is our first attempt. Today we have experience in the development of every subsection of a BVRAAM. Getting SDFR developed from this is not as hard as starting development of a project as complex as a BVRAAM from absolute ZERO.

1) If you change near the completion that means that the analysis and "market" study before was wrong.

2) MICA engine is fonctionning 4 seconds. In a WVR, the IR trace is more important than smoke. In a long range fire, the main part of the missile flight is in a ballistic mode, ie without engine burning.

3) Indo indian problem.

4) I think India isuffers from 2 problems : a lack of organised highly engineering shools collegated with R&D reserach center, and bureaucraty.

 

[Rahul Singh]

1) If you change near the completion that means that the analysis and "market" study before was wrong.

2) MICA engine is fonctionning 4 seconds. In a WVR, the IR trace is more important than smoke. In a long range fire, the main part of the missile flight is in a ballistic mode, ie without engine burning.

3) Indo indian problem.

4) I think India isuffers from 2 problems : a lack of organised highly engineering shools collegated with R&D reserach center, and bureaucraty.

Problem is more complex then it can be simply put. Regardless we are catching with the rest and best. That's what matters. Astra-1 is just one example.

 

[no smoking]

Do you know that Astra-1 had to undergo the change in the chemistry of its propellant to smokeless and design of motor accordingly when the project was nearing completion?

That only means one thing: the original plan was failed. The existing and mature technologies that India has are not good enough to support this plan. That is why Indian scientists have to take risk of implementing new technologies by the end of project.

Should I mention that even advance missile like MICA does not have smokeless propulsion?

Why a smokeless propulsion is a necessary for a BVR air-air missile? Is this required by force or added-in by fantasy scientists?

What people fail to acknowledge that often than not the major portion of delay in Made in India products is due to stringent requirements which our services ask particularly from Indian systems.

No, what people fail to understand is that any weapon procurement is not scheduled on dream. It is generally decided by your expectation of your enemy's technology development, weapon deployment, etc, etc. Too long time overdue will make the weapon of the project no longer effective when face with latest enemy weapon. Certainly, you shouldn't be surprise that user will put down a new requirement.