JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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Am not convinced by this statement,becoz if u have 3 antenna config the area of coverage bit larger even though the side antenna won't do significant improvement in ranges but it helps HMD to cue up radar gudied missiles bit faster and more lock on target time, but it can be suplimented by IRST, hence X1 blk3 speculated to have HMD and IRST 3 antenna config assures relaible missile cueing, also X1 blk3 tendsto be a bvr fighter unlike its older siblings blk1&blk2
 

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Am not convinced by this statement,becoz if u have 3 antenna config the area of coverage bit larger even though the side antenna won't do significant improvement in ranges but it helps HMD to cue up radar gudied missiles bit faster and more lock on target time, but it can be suplimented by IRST, hence X1 blk3 speculated to have HMD and IRST 3 antenna config assures relaible missile cueing, also X1 blk3 tendsto be a bvr fighter unlike its older siblings blk1&blk2
Do you know how AESA radars work? Please look it up. This 3 antenna thing is Chinese Mumbo Jumbo.
 

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Do you know how AESA radars work? Please look it up. This 3 antenna thing is Chinese Mumbo Jumbo.
I think u miss some points


It doesn't mean klj-7a equllent to f22 radar the pic just for representation of side antenna useage, hope u understand
 

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I think u miss some points


It doesn't mean klj-7a equllent to f22 radar the pic just for representation of side antenna useage, hope u understand
FFS, AESA radars use T/R nodes.





These stack up and as per their surface area and power consumed, you calculated range and energy output. The shape is geometry not antenna.

Those side facing units are separate radars! The side mounted radars were discontinued in F 22 and may be added as a MLU later in the future (hopefully).
 

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RCS of this blunder would be like 10 times of tejas MK 1 , Mk 1A with super powerful elta or Uttam would shoot it like Mosquitoes from the sky....
I'm afraid none of these are a little bit stealthy....
And, sorry, but JF17 is operationnal and massively on duty. Not really the case of Tejas.
 

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I'm afraid none of these are a little bit stealthy....
And, sorry, but JF17 is operationnal and massively on duty. Not really the case of Tejas.
Y-air intake sheilds the engine, Use of composite material reduces RCS significantly, RAM coating + spectra like ew system would make tejas invisible whereas Blunder has full metal airframe. Integrate Derby ER and DRDO Meteor equivalent, tejas would be second to only F 22.
 

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Y-air intake sheilds the engine, Use of composite material reduces RCS significantly, RAM coating + spectra like ew system would make tejas invisible whereas Blunder has full metal airframe.
True.

Integrate Derby ER and DRDO Meteor equivalent, tejas would be second to only F 22.
False...........................................
 

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sorry,my bad...

Yang Wei------- you know who

Wei
Dongxu,------------so called military analyst... yeah, Wei did Say...lol

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and BLOCK3's maiden flight is scheduled in this Aug, and PAC will manufacture another 35 BLOCK2 for PAF in 2019 and 2020. then 28 BLOCK3 is ordered and to be delivered by 2022.

the 101th JF-17 of PAF-- the first one of third PAF JF-17 contract.
tail num: 18-251

View attachment 33254
Are the projected specs of JF17 Block 3 available?
 

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no specs available here , so far...

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more about the AVIC group's LKF601E Air-cooled AESA , which was tested on a FC-1/JF-17 prototype.

this is a so called 'in-situ replacement' solution for the Light weight fighter AESA radar upgrade which can easily replaces the KLJ-7 radar of CETC group on the current Block1/2 without much effort.


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another rotating inclined antenna configure layout of KLJ-7A derivative, which is similar to CAPTOR-E and Raven ES-05...this should be another option available from CETC group. it's up to PAF to decide which one is chosen for JF-17 Block3

on Airshow China 2018


KLJ-7A on Airshow China 2016

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and the KLJ-7A 3-antenna configure layout derivative might be for the future only...

 
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no specs available here , so far...
Thanks for info on avionics.
Wondering any information on thrust or payload cap is available.

Wanna know that in terms of specifications, where will JF17T block 3 will stand against F-16, J-10, Mirage 2000 and upcoming Tejas Mk2.
What this bird "JF20" is? Sino Pakistani collaboration on Project Azm?
 

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no...no...they are not real proposals/projects...just a military enthusiast's modelling work years ago.

in my opinion ,it's not worth adding the so called stealth ability on the ready-made layout of such a small/light fighter...but my key point is about this:
and the KLJ-7A 3-antenna configure layout derivative might be for the future only...
I don't think this 3-antenna configure would be related to Block3 project
 
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So the Chinese say the current version of JF-17 is a contender or Tejas MK-1. And further down the chinese says JF-17 Block 3 will get HMSD and Data Link.

Do Chinese know Tejas MK-1 has HMSD and data link since ages? Apart from an AESA what else that JF-17 block 3 is getting which Tejas MK-1 does not have already?

Tejas MK-1 is a composite skin 4 channel FCS. Does JF-17 have those feature an essential in any 4.5 gen fighter?
Right now, the only advantage that the Pakistanis have is a more mature manufacturing line than Tejas'. This allows them to make their jets available any time during a war, compared to Tejas which is yet to have an established solid production line. HAL cannot make it beyond 10 right now, even though it is setting up the factory for making 16 per year.

Also, Chinese factories with more mature assembly lines can churn out 100s of them for Pakistan just to counter us. They may do it at a steeply discounted rate or even for free if it comes to an air-to-air slug-fest between us.
 

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Right now, the only advantage that the Pakistanis have is a more mature manufacturing line than Tejas'. This allows them to make their jets available any time during a war, compared to Tejas which is yet to have an established solid production line. HAL cannot make it beyond 10 right now, even though it is setting up the factory for making 16 per year.

Also, Chinese factories with more mature assembly lines can churn out 100s of them for Pakistan just to counter us. They may do it at a steeply discounted rate or even for free if it comes to an air-to-air slug-fest between us.
thats because PAC has NO MANUFACTURING LINES...ONLY ASSEMBLY LINES!

to compare tejas line with bunder line is like...

comparing local assembled PCs Vs DELL manufacturing facility
 

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Right now, the only advantage that the Pakistanis have is a more mature manufacturing line than Tejas'. This allows them to make their jets available any time during a war, compared to Tejas which is yet to have an established solid production line. HAL cannot make it beyond 10 right now, even though it is setting up the factory for making 16 per year.

Also, Chinese factories with more mature assembly lines can churn out 100s of them for Pakistan just to counter us. They may do it at a steeply discounted rate or even for free if it comes to an air-to-air slug-fest between us.
Pakis cannot even put together these blunder kits without Chinese help. They need workers from China to do exactly that!

HAL will increase production with govt. scrutiny.
 

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Y-air intake sheilds the engine, Use of composite material reduces RCS significantly, RAM coating + spectra like ew system would make tejas invisible whereas Blunder has full metal airframe. Integrate Derby ER and DRDO Meteor equivalent, tejas would be second to only F 22.
I'm afraid you are over optimistic !
Air intakes are all but stealthy : they are curved and absolutely not designed to. The hide the engine inlet? OK. That's all.
Spectra like? Where are the antennas? Where is your know how? (it's not an insult. Just a fact).
A Meteor equivalent? in 20 years? You are only developping ASTRA 1, a Skyflash equivalent.
To be second behind F22 is a wet dream, specially with a light single engined fighter, 30 years late on shedule.
Sorry.
 

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I'm afraid you are over optimistic !
Air intakes are all but stealthy : they are curved and absolutely not designed to. The hide the engine inlet? OK. That's all.
Spectra like? Where are the antennas? Where is your know how? (it's not an insult. Just a fact).
A Meteor equivalent? in 20 years? You are only developping ASTRA 1, a Skyflash equivalent.
To be second behind F22 is a wet dream, specially with a light single engined fighter, 30 years late on shedule.
Sorry.
Yeah that comment was a jingoistic one but need correct yourself. Mk1 has rwr but that's not the focus. Know how exists with other ew suite developed for the mig29s and jaguars and ofcourse the suite which will be featured on mk2(some final testing left probably). The suite i know and probably all intelligent ai2019 visitors has 6 antennas of digital rwr and 6 of MAWS and several antennas for aesa based jammers.

Not 20 but with more recent 10 years when actual work done in making a more of an AMRAAM(C7) equivalent. And with 2 test firing of sfdr(which ofcourse is future as the context of the talk is based on future not present)india do have the know how.

Comparing with f22 is definitely a wet dream but 30 years behind quote is an example of ignorance and false attitude which is a problem to many people living in this small but stupid world.
 

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