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But, somehow, Chinese manufacturers figured out how to use Chinese material to produce these components that Indians haven’t done that so far.
Are you NUTS? India does manufacture su30mkis from raw material, but yes we do pay royalty per plane unlike you Thieves and so ours is a legitimate copy with proper support from Sukhoi...

Can Chinese upgrade her J-11B to a plane on par with Su-35 by herself? Yes, they can. But the time and resources won’t allow it.
Su30mkis are already more advance than su35s except for canardless airframe with more fuel capacity and powerful engine. Now with super sukhoi upgrade su30mkis will surpass SU-35 in lethality due to western avionics and with more powerful engine Al 31fp with same 144kn power. Upgrading? You should know that it's HAL that modified airframe to carry brahmos missile weighing 2.5 tons on centre pylon which Russians demanded a bomb and are now looking at HAL for the same. Did you know that sukhoi imports mission computers and avionics from HAL for their su30sm which are Russian copy of su30mki with Russian avionics.

PLAAF doesn’t want to spend so much money on a 4-generation plane when they have J-20 and J-31 in the line.
Both planes are nowhere as capable as even Rafales let alone any 5th gen fighter. It may but only after 2025-28 and that's when PAKFA will mature into much more powerful fighter and Indian AMCA being tested both will be available for iaf and we may even see Franco German 6th gen fighter being tested which again will be available for IAF.

By then indian aviation industry will become part of global supply chain with sevral leading global aviation companies setting up plants in India which will propel India ahead..

Chinese indeed did a great job in their aviation industry. But this greatness is about their catching up speed not the current level of their industry.
Yeah chinese indeed great job due to authoritarian regime and our PSU culture slowing us down but now private companies are taking over and a decade down the lane picture will be different. Look at our auto industry which is better than Chinese one with original designs unlike copies of our Pulsar bikes and Jaguar Q7 that chinese theives make. Even LCA Tejas is original unlike copy cat designs chinese make. Here's a list of copied design...
J10 = Israeli Lavi
J-11,12,13,14,15... = Russian flanker family copies
J10= Russian mig1.44
J31= American F-35
Not a single original design...:)

All above fighters lack proper engines as chinese have dubious quality and are smokey with high irst. Radars and avionics again not par with Western quality.... Enjoy truth.:daru:
 

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Are you NUTS? India does manufacture su30mkis from raw material, but yes we do pay royalty per plane unlike you Thieves and so ours is a legitimate copy with proper support from Sukhoi...
No, it is your people claim that they can produce it with India raw material. But the fact is for whatever excuses, they haven't been able to do so.

Quote:"
Though bulk of the 272 Sukhois (240 inducted till now) contracted from Russia have been made by Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL), they have been basically assembled here with imported knocked-down kits. HAL still cannot manufacture the Sukhois on its own,"

Read more at:
//economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/57551801.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

Su30mkis are already more advance than su35s except for canardless airframe with more fuel capacity and powerful engine. Now with super sukhoi upgrade su30mkis will surpass SU-35 in lethality due to western avionics and with more powerful engine Al 31fp with same 144kn power.
Really?

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...with-its-own-su-30sm/articleshow/65529473.cms

Upgrading? You should know that it's HAL that modified airframe to carry brahmos missile weighing 2.5 tons on centre pylon which Russians demanded a bomb and are now looking at HAL for the same.
Wow, it is really a great achievement!
But it is a really easy job comparing to change the aerodynamic design.

Did you know that sukhoi imports mission computers and avionics from HAL for their su30sm which are Russian copy of su30mki with Russian avionics.
Really? Now, please tell me which mission computer or avionics Russians are going to buy from India for their own jet?

I would better keep myself away from your daydream.
 
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Really? Now, please tell me which mission computer or avionics Russians are going to buy from India for their own jet?

I would better keep myself away from your daydream.
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Su-30SM
A specialised version of the thrust-vectoring Su-30MKI and MKM variants for the Russian military, produced by the Irkut Corporation.[32][33] Russia's Defence Ministry was impressed with the MKI's performance envelope and ordered 30 Su-30SMs, a localised version of Su-30MKI, for the Russian Air Force.[34]
The Su-30SM (SM for Serial, Modernized) (Flanker-H by NATO classification) is considered a 4+ generation fighter jet.[35][36][37][38][39][40] The aircraft has been upgraded according to Russian military requirements for radar, radio communications systems, friend-or-foe identification system, ejection seats, weapons, and other aircraft systems.[41][42]It is equipped with the N011M Bars radar with a maximum detection range 400 km, search range 200 km using a phased array antenna, frontal horizontal fins and steerable thrusters for supermaneuverability as well as with wide-angle HUD. The aircraft can be used to gain air supremacy same as for targeting adversary on the ground using wide range of weapons including air-to-air, air-to-surface and guided and unguided bombs with total weapons weight up to 8000 kg. It is also equipped with the one barrel, 30 mm GSh-30-1 autocannon. To ensure operations at major distances from airfield, the ability of in-flight refueling (IFR) is included
You'd still not believe ? Then keep living in your oblivion.

Also from the Su 30MKI Wikipedia page:-

As of 2017, HAL manufactures more than 80% of the aircraft.
Source ----->

The 50th AL31FP engine, manufactured from raw materials by Sukhoi Engine Division of HAL (Koraput) has been handed over to IAF in Delhi yesterday as part of celebrations of 70th year of India Russia diplomatic relationship.

“The AL31FP engine powers Su30 MKI and is manufactured from raw material stage. All the components, including heavy forgings are manufactured at HAL”, said Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD, HAL. He handed over the documents related to the 50th Raw Material Phase Engine of Su-30MKI to Air Marshal S.B. Deo, VCAS.
Bro, read the article yourselves before posting it, Su-30SM is a derivative of Su-30MKi with russian electronics, while upgrading their own Su-30s, Russia offered India to do the "mid life upgrade" of MKIs under the same program.
 

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1. No, there was no ToT for Chinese on either Su-27, or Su-35. Chinese got much lower level of ToT from Russia comparing to India. At least, Russia provided some tech to allow India to manufacture some components locally with Russian material. To Chinese, Russians just wanted them to do assembling work with Russian components. But, somehow, Chinese manufacturers figured out how to use Chinese material to produce these components that Indians haven’t done that so far.
I believe they got the same level or near the same level of ToT. Fact 1 China paid a lot more to the russians than India did. China bought 200 Su-27s off the self from Russia.
2. Can Chinese upgrade her J-11B to a plane on par with Su-35 by herself? Yes, they can. But the time and resources won’t allow it. If they want to do it, they need to go through full range wind tunnel experiment and structure strength test again which is pretty the work load of design a new plane. The PLAAF didn’t have the money and time for a second 4-generation fighter program on top of J-10. Without full understanding the aerodynamic design of Su-27, Shenyang can’t do the same level of upgrade as Su-35. But again, PLAAF doesn’t want to spend so much money on a 4-generation plane when they have J-20 and J-31 in the line.

Chinese indeed did a great job in their aviation industry. But this greatness is about their catching up speed not the current level of their industry.
agreed, they did it to catch up. What i'm saying is that Chinese and Pakistanis believe China has already made it. They haven't and are far from it. Their RnD is receiving funding but coming out short just like DRDO but they don't have watchdogs. Which is why they buy the ToT or steal it openly.
 

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It's tooooooo little toooo late....
Pakistan does not have a single aircraft in their inventory that can take on or is technologically match to even our least advanced aircraft now.

Excercise Gagan Shakti has been a nightmare, a rude awakening for Pakistan and is keeping them awake at night. PAF won't be able to even fly during war if at all it happens....
War waging capabilities of pakistan has been blunted so much that mighty pakjabi army is crying for peace.
And no i am not boasting, it's rude truth....

As for flying display see LCA Tejas Bahrain air show video. It's ultimate...
 

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It's tooooooo little toooo late....
Pakistan does not have a single aircraft in their inventory that can take on or is technologically match to even our least advanced aircraft now.

Excercise Gagan Shakti has been a nightmare, a rude awakening for Pakistan and is keeping them awake at night. PAF won't be able to even fly during war if at all it happens....
War waging capabilities of pakistan has been blunted so much that mighty pakjabi army is crying for peace.
And no i am not boasting, it's rude truth....

As for flying display see LCA Tejas Bahrain air show video. It's ultimate...
Compairing the fighting falcon world best dog fighter and in service with NATO,middle east,Africa and Asia with tejas.
You need to be immediately hospitalized.

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Its A tailor made doomsday for IAF.
Chinese simply describe it as
F-15 strike Eagle+stealth
What else you need in a fighter?
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Now in customizing for PAF
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Also tell how jft looks in Myanmar colors. :troll:
 
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Compairing the fighting falcon world best dog fighter and in service with NATO,middle east,Africa and Asia with tejas.
You need to be immediately hospitalized.

coming soon
Its A tailor made doomsday for IAF.
Chinese simply describe it as
F-15 strike Eagle+stealth
What else you need in a fighter?
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Now in customizing for PAFView attachment 30455



Also tell how jft looks in Myanmar colors. :troll:
Looking at the current state of Pakistani economy I don't think PAF will be getting a stealth fighter jet in near future. BTW stealth can be countered easily thanks to the advancement in radar technologies. Indian Swordfish radars can detect a tennis ball size object from several kilometres away. TACDE will definitely work on tactics to counter these stealth aircrafts.
 

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Looking at the current state of Pakistani economy I don't think PAF will be getting a stealth fighter jet in near future. BTW stealth can be countered easily thanks to the advancement in radar technologies. Indian Swordfish radars can detect a tennis ball size object from several kilometres away. TACDE will definitely work on tactics to counter these stealth aircrafts.
Pak is completely indebted to China so only by their good graces can they afford to finance hardware they can never pay back.
 

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Compairing the fighting falcon world best dog fighter and in service with NATO,middle east,Africa and Asia with tejas.
You need to be immediately hospitalized.
Our Mig-21 Bisons shot down those in droves at another Red Flag.
It is definitely a classic, no doubt, but high STR can only take you so far... Even the present underpowered stop-gap models of Tejas carry superior tech than most IAF & PAF platforms, including the vintage Paki F16s (that are still airworthy).

Frankly we don't really know how they'd fare against each other, jf17 too was pulled out of Bahrain show where Tejas performed.


Its A tailor made doomsday for IAF.
Chinese simply describe it as
F-15 strike Eagle+stealth

Also tell how jft looks in Myanmar colors
Of course they call it so. They're trying to sell it!

But for some reason they won't induct a single one themselves, to replace their ageing low level fighters like j-7 & 8, q-5 etc. despite jf17 or j31 being cheap enough for them to buy in hordes & swamp the enemy by sheer numbers.
Wonder what that reason is...

 
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Our Mig-21 Bisons shot down those in droves at another Red Flag.
Hahahahah.......F-4 phantom in Vietnamese war in 1986 era shoot dozens of Mig-21s and you are saying it shoot down it..........during even in exercise...hahahahahah
Frankly we don't really know how they'd fare against each other, jf17 too was pulled out of Bahrain show where Tejas performed.
Our jft is now a multinational aircraft also in Myanmar Air force
But for some reason they won't induct a single one themselves, to replace their ageing low level fighters like j-7 & 8, q-5 etc. despite jf17 or j31 being cheap enough for them to buy in hordes & swamp the enemy by sheer numbers.
Wonder what that reason is...
They already have J-10 and J-20 for this purpose
they don't need them these are there co projects to help Pakistan.
.. Even the present underpowered stop-gap models of Tejas carry superior tech than most IAF & PAF platforms, including the vintage Paki F16s (that are still airworthy).

Frankly we don't really know how they'd fare against each other, jf17 too was pulled out of Bahrain show where Tejas performed.
So means tejas out performed a beast F-16 block 52+
Lookheed Martin will become fucking made aftter hearing this.
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Hahahahah.......F-4 phantom in Vietnamese war in 1986 era shoot dozens of Mig-21s and you are saying it shoot down it..........during even in exercise...hahahahahah

Spoken like a true Paki...Why don't you Google its performance in Cope India & Red flags?

Indian Mig-21Bison (BVR capable, with Helmet Mounted Display) is not Vietnamese Mig-21FL, nor are our pilots.


Our jft is now a multinational aircraft also in Myanmar Air force
There are African countries buying armed trainer aircrafts... doesn't mean those are better than Rafale or Gripen.
They bought it because it's cheap, Tejas isn't & won't EVER have as many customers as it.

They already have J-10 and J-20 for this purpose
they don't need them these are there co projects to help Pakistan.
Those are high end aircrafts. Unless PLAAF is reducing its size, hundreds of mig-21 variants will need to be replaced by something lighter like j-31/jf-17 in large numbers. We'll have to wait & see...
 

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Hahahahah.......F-4 phantom in Vietnamese war in 1986 era shoot dozens of Mig-21s and you are saying it shoot down it..........during even in exercise...hahahahahah


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Indian MiG21 Bisons are quite different from what were shot down during Vietnam wars. Bisons are the heavily upgraded version of MiG21 and are quite capable aircrafts. During 2004 Cope India excercise Indian MiG21 scored kill against American F15 and in 2005 against F16s.
 

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Indian MiG21 Bisons are quite different from what were shot down during Vietnam wars. Bisons are the heavily upgraded version of MiG21 and are quite capable aircrafts. During 2004 Cope India excercise Indian MiG21 scored kill against American F15 and in 2005 against F16s.
Our jft is a highly upgraded version of mig-21 Thank you so much.! .....
 

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Spoken like a true Paki...Why don't you Google its performance in Cope India & Red flags?

Indian Mig-21Bison (BVR capable, with Helmet Mounted Display) is not Vietnamese Mig-21FL, nor are our pilots.
Our jft is also a evolution of
Mig-21 so thanks..

There are African countries buying armed trainer aircrafts... doesn't mean those are better than Rafale or Gripen.
They bought it because it's cheap, Tejas isn't & won't EVER have as many customers as it.
Saudis and Azerbaijan are also included in this.
 

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