JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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yes they can, what do you think Erieye and ZDK-03 were bought for. Your CBG will be be painted and shine bright from at least 400 kms away
Vikky's EW suite is advanced enough where upgraded A-50s, Mig-29s and Su-33s couldn't paint it, while the Carrier spotted them well over 400 km away during extensive field tests. So you can be sure, it can jam the crap out of the Erieye and ZDK-03. These birds are easy targets for the Mig-29K
 

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The S-400 with the 40N6 missile would be able to shoot down a poor little Puki awacs, transports and certainly large RCS targets from 400 km away, these missiles travel at mach 7, can reach altitudes of 180+km and active radar guided. They'll be dead before they can spot such threats and slow moving targets can't really maneuver out of their way.
 

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The S-400 with the 40N6 missile would be able to shoot down a poor little Puki awacs, transports and certainly large RCS targets from 400 km away, these missiles travel at mach 7, can reach altitudes of 180+km and active radar guided. They'll be dead before they can spot such threats and slow moving targets can't really maneuver out of their way.
Naivety is a blessing, especially in this case. Your s-400s will be hunted silently without you knowing it.
 

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By whom and what!!!..................... .
By imaginary, yet to be inducted, elaborately Arabic named, green painted sub par chinese systems.
Israelis with all their EW and Counter measures system and then some more from Raytheon, have been failing miserably at It, But yeah look at this madarsa chap, open his leather bag of a mouth here.
 

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Naivety is a blessing, especially in this case. Your s-400s will be hunted silently without you knowing it.
By Pakistans magic bullets blessed by the ummah? Seriously, realize a threat. India is so entrenched and built up on Indo-Pak border, the Indian army is enough to make conventionally destroy Pakistans military regardless of Americans, Chiense or Saudis. Pak military has completely lost all faith in having any edge of India like it had in 1965. This is basically game over, thats something the deep state in Pakistan have realized a long time ago, and would benefit you the average Pakistani to realize the same. If I'm correct. some of Pakistans assets are not for India. Its basically a mercenary army for Saudi against Shias which would explain a lot of why Iran wants nukes.
 

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@Dazzler @J20! You guys won't mind answering few questions, would you?

If a JF-17 is on an Anti Ship patrol as you put it,

  • What is the weapon systems configuration it will carry?
  • How much fuel is it going to carry?
  • What will be the combat radius?
  • What will be the CAP time and flight profile?
Thanks.
 

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Vikky's EW suite is advanced enough where upgraded A-50s, Mig-29s and Su-33s couldn't paint it, while the Carrier spotted them well over 400 km away during extensive field tests.
During any conflict, Vik won't sail alone. Its powerful escorts pack enough power to fry any bunder with their EWs. Come close and LR-SAM will handle them. That besides if Mig-29s allow them to come any closer.

To take out a carrier a full-blown attack by airborne and undersea assets is required. Which in case of Vik being a target requires a fleet size pakistanis can't afford. They will have to commit their entire Navy for any such mission still they will fall short.
 

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more than 3 years ago, I posted something in this thread ...PAF's 10-115 jet stayed in CAC for quite a while as the test platform of all kinds of payload mount/firing test.




and this famous example in 1982 conflict...


this asymmetric loadout might be the normal AShW configuration for this light weight class multi-role fighters...one C-802A missile with 2*1100L drop tanks, and with 2BVR+2WVR as self defence , the inner fuel is 2.3 tons, the total fuel would be around 4 tons.

of course the JF-17 could also carry 2 C802s with a 800L drop tank only..but obviously the combat radius would be much shorter...



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somehow ,JF-17 might be a china home-designed single engine fighter with the BEST basic range performance thanking to its normal aerodynamic configuration with good Lift-to-drag ratio
... BTW,RD-93 actually is a Low fuel consumption engine (higher by-pass ratio)--some funny comment about this so called Russian 'gas-guzzling' label here and on BR is always laughable without basic understanding.

basic range is a performance parameter used by Chinese design system. it's not the so called 'clean configuration' range without any external payload. in JF-17 case , this basic range is the tested under the configuration with full inner fuel(2.3ton) , 23mm gun ammunition, and tip pylons+ 2 PL-5IIE WVR missile....and JF-17 managed to achieve the 1800km goal as the contracted....and again, JF-17 is an Export project not the national defence equipment R&D project. the Certification process and require are a little different. the designer/manufacture side's test normally won't approach the limitation of this plane once it achieved the performance parameter described/required in the R&D contract between AVIC and the customer(PAF/ Pakistan Government). ..on the range performanc, JF-17 still has some little potential waiting for the PAF test unit to tap. the funding is always the hurdle ...

the problem of light combat airplane is : the influence/ratio of increased drag by external payload would be much higher than the heavy class planes. fully mounted JF-17's range would less than the 3000 km ferry range (3 drop tanks only).

combat radius is another thing. normally it's about 1/3 to 1/5 of the max range under different combat configurations. with a 800L tank short, this range performace of AShW mission should be near the low boundary if without any in-flight refueling although now JF-17 has such ability.

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on Airshow Dubai 2011, some PPT on the Chief Designer's introduction event...




and the deputy chief designer's interview in 2015 : 4.5 tons payload ability approved after the
additional test in 2013-14 for BLOCK II configuration. so the central line pylons can carry the 1100L drop tanks.

 
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RD93 is considered as gas guzzler since its origin has history of smoking fuel in Mig29. It could have improved, but with no FADEC, the engine doesn't fits safety standards. Home design claim is too much, the design was bought from Russia in 1995 of a scraped project known single engine Mig33 light fighter.

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LOL...some idiot came with stupid logic ignoring the fact that FC-1 already has two export orders, does it really matter for a combat plane?...

the PLAAF VVIP needn't such experience, obviously light weight class figher has no place in PLAAF any more. and elite test pilots from PLAAF flight test regiment have loads of such experience

and some idiots here and there can't understand at least a two-seater is essential for such so called VIP experience....but JF17B is on the way...
 
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@shiphone I guess your two posts above were for my benefit. Let's dissect what you have posted.

  • JF-17 which entered service in the late 2000s has to rely on asymmetrical payload configuration, same as the A4 Skyhawk which entered service in the 1950s in order to have a meaningful combat radius. Indian Jaguars of 1980s vintage fulfills same role but by carrying similar missile much farther than the mainstay of PAF.
  • The payload itself is a subsonic short range missile sans stealth features similar to other weapons in its class like Harpoon.
  • The 1800 km range that the poster mentioned was ferry range I.e. without weapons, flying at an optimal altitude and speed on internal fuel. No mention of combat radius or CAP time.
  • Yes, JF-17 can carry two CM-400AKG, which is ballistic missile and not a sea skimming missile with dubious role in the Indo-Pak naval warfare scenario. Even then Jf 17 sacrifices almost all of its external fuel, essentially turning it into something out of the 1960s.
  • Unless you can provide some credible evidence about JF-17's improved payload and centerline 1100 liters fuel tank, further discussion on this particular point is futile. A screenshot of a YouTube videos in a language I can't read doesn't count as one.
 

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LOL...some idiot came with stupid logic ignoring the fact that FC-1 already has two export orders, does it really matter for a combat plane?...

the PLAAF VVIP needn't such experience, obviously light weight class figher has no place in PLAAF any more. and elite test pilots from PLAAF flight test regiment have loads of such experience

and some idiots here and there can't understand at least a two-seater is essential for such so called VIP experience....but JF17B is on the way...
What a shame, more than a decade of induction, more than 15 years of first flight, yet no trainer variant. Real shame isn't it. Export order, something like buy one get one 50s trainer free. So you're saying that you're trading with fairy dreams with no proven flight performance being displayed to buyers. You're yourself confirming that, PLAAF isn't risking their elite's life on a single engine unsafe fighter. Last I know all the Jf17 known crash have killed the elitist of Pakistani pilots.

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