JF-17 Thunder / FC-1 Xiaolong

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Russians are not stupid enough to give away their MIG and Sukhoi markets that would leave them with no warplanes to sell and Chinese laughing all the way to the bank with Russian engines.
 

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I think no one want Jf17 to eat their share (Russians or the US or EU). Russians have done what their commercial interest demands, they were not been able to do the same in past as they needed $$$ for there economy now they are strong.

Plus PAF is stupid to trust Russian engine for JF17, given the past Indian relationship with Russia.

JF 17 is now 5 years delay, it is bad i wanted to see this Junk fighter with PAF now with will beg for more F16 from US.
 
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I think no one want Jf17 to eat their share (Russians or the US or EU). Russians have done what their commercial interest demands, they were not been able to do the same in past as they needed $$$ for there economy now they are strong.

Plus PAF is stupid to trust Russian engine for JF17, given the past Indian relationship with Russia.

JF 17 is now 5 years delay, it is bad i wanted to see this Junk fighter with PAF now with will beg for more F16 from US.
More F-16's to Pakistan will guarantee F-16 will not make MRCA shortlist and possibly become the first plane out.
 

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and US will not sale 100's of F-16s to pakistan that for sure
 

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which could emerge as a rival for its MiG-29 fighter in the global markets, according to a report today.
How a fighter with half payload, half range, half weight, half price, half technologically advanced can be a competitor or rival of Mig-29s in international market? Has RAC MIG decided to reproduce 'U/UB' models? I believe 'Kommersant' is quoting a wild speculation under cover of an unknown source. However Mig-29 and JF-17 can be rival in Egyptian, Algerian type market but then decision will not on technical and tactical capability rather on price and Islamic brotherhood(they are mistaken that JF-17 is pakistani) as both jet are in different category. If this true then Russians will surely try and kill any chances of export by restricting export of engine.
 

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How a fighter with half payload, half range, half weight, half price, half technologically advanced can be a competitor or rival of Mig-29s in international market? Has RAC MIG decided to reproduce 'U/UB' models? I believe 'Kommersant' is quoting a wild speculation under cover of an unknown source. However Mig-29 and JF-17 can be rival in Egyptian, Algerian type market but then decision will not on technical and tactical capability rather on price and Islamic brotherhood(they are mistaken that JF-17 is pakistani) as both jet are in different category. If this true then Russians will surely try and kill any chances of export by restricting export of engine.
Project 33(MIG-33) strike fighter similar in capabilities to the then-General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon, development work began on this design about 1980, but it was canceled in 1986 as the result of changing Soviet Air Force requirements. However, in 1998 China purchased the design and test data from Russia to aid in expediting the development of the Chengdu JF-17/FC-1
 

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If Russians stick to what they say and dont look out for more $$ from China and Pakistan then we will see any non Chines robbing off Pakistan for JF 17 engine and that engine will be under power and will take some time to be integrated and tested on JF, if that require some modification then it will delay the induction of JF17 to 3-5 years that is for sure.

BTW USA wants to Sell F16 for hard $$$...........that too with his terms and conditions.
 

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that is not easy to get 100 f-16 from US as They get JF from china...they can only get few in number
as big brother dont belive any one ....
 

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So, what are the options for JF-17, if RD-93 engine deal doesn't go through?? To me there is nothing seem to be on the horizon for JF-17 as far as engine is concerned.
 

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So, what are the options for JF-17, if RD-93 engine deal doesn't go through?? To me there is nothing seem to be on the horizon for JF-17 as far as engine is concerned.
i think only options they could have is WS-10 or its derivatives after 5 years, buy then they will get expertise in reverse-engineering the RD-93 or Sukhoi's engines.
 

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i think only options they could have is WS-10 or its derivatives after 5 years, buy then they will get expertise in reverse-engineering the RD-93 or Sukhoi's engines.
WS13. it was tested on FC1 several months ago.

CD reports that Russia's cancelling the deal is " toooooo late" and can not afftect the advancement of FC1 project

Guizhou aircraft industry is advancing two mid-thrust engine projects at the same time.

One is WS13 for FC1,the other is for CHina's 5 G double-engined mid-sized bird.

WS13 for Fc1 can be finished soon,but the one for 5G double-eigined mid-sized bird will take some time.
 
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ws-13 will not be available until 2014 at best, without a third generation engine developed China can only dream about fifth generation engines.
 

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ws-13 will not be available until 2014 at best, without a third generation engine developed China can only dream about fifth generation engines.
well, let's wait and see whether CD's information is right or not....

I now would rather accept CD more than Kanwa or Janes, because both Kanwa and janes always copy information from CD.
 
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Chinese engine development was dependent on Russia and now they are out of the picture. China should not have boasted about exporting fighters when they had no indigenous capability to produce them.
 
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old article when Russia had warned China


http://www.india-defence.com/reports/2829

Russia Blocks Sale of Chinese JF-17 Fighter Jets to Pakistan


Russia has blocked the sale of Chinese fighter planes with Russian engines to Pakistan. "We've denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines," said Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, head of the Defence Ministry's International Cooperation Department.

President Pervez Musharraf said last year that the JF-17s would be flying in Pakistani skies by March 2007. Islamabad plans to acquire 150 JF-17s, known in China as FC-1. China has bought 100 Klimov RD-93 engines from Russia for installing on JF-17s, with an option to contract another 400 engines.

Speaking to Indian and Russian journalists ahead of a visit to India by Russia's Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Sergei Ivanov on January 22, Col.-Gen. Mazurkevich confirmed that India and Russia are shortly to sign accords to jointly develop and produce a 5th generation fighter plane and a multi-role transport aircraft.

India is expected to announce during Mr. Ivanov's visit its choice between two Russian concepts of a multi-role stealth fighter plane of the 5th generation that the Russian aviation majors, Sukhoi and MIG, presented to the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) last year.

The aircraft deals will be discussed when Mr. Ivanov co-chairs with Defence Minister A.K. Antony the 6th meeting of the Indo-Russian Inter-Governmental Commission for Military-Technical Cooperation. Ahead of the commission meeting on January 24 Mr. Ivanov will fly to Bangalore to visit the HAL and the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO), as well as some leading Information and Technology companies, and meet business people.
 
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google translated

http://translate.google.com/transla.../mil/&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1

Sukhoi and MiG opposed the sale of engines to China


Russian aircraft company RSK MiG and OKB Sukhoi opposed a new contract with China for engines RD-93, which are used in the Chinese FC-1 fighters and export options. As Kommersant, Russian CEO Mikhail Pogosyan believes that the FC-1 is a direct competitor of the MiG-29. Writes "Kommersant", the head of Russian companies Mikhail Pogosyan believes that the FC-1 is a direct competitor of the MiG-29.

The letters sent by the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) and Rosoboronexport, Pogosyan said that the re-export should be consistent with the final product manufacturers, "to re-export without prejudice." The letters sent by the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC) and Rosoboronexport, Pogosyan said that the re-export should be consistent with the final product manufacturers, "to re-export without prejudice." According to Kommersant, Pogosyan opposed the deal with China because the latter intends to FC-1 in Egypt. According to Kommersant, Pogosyan opposed the deal with China because the latter intends to FC-1 in Egypt. At the same market going to go MiG with the MiG-29. At the same market going to go MiG with the MiG-29.

In April 2010, visited Egypt, deputy director of "Rosboroneksporta" Alexander Mikheyev, who held talks on the possible supply of country 32 MiG-29. In April 2010, visited Egypt, deputy director of "Rosboroneksporta" Alexander Mikheyev, who held talks on the possible supply of country 32 MiG-29. In parallel, the Egyptian authorities began negotiations with the Chinese side on the purchase FC-1. In parallel, the Egyptian authorities began negotiations with the Chinese side on the purchase FC-1. In addition, Egypt has also begun to discuss with Pakistan the possibility of joint production of JF-17 Thunder - version of FC-1 to Pakistan. In addition, Egypt has also begun to discuss with Pakistan the possibility of joint production of JF-17 Thunder - version of FC-1 to Pakistan.

As the newspaper notes, FC-1 (JF-17) significantly inferior to the characteristics of the Russian MiG-29, but cost much less - 10 million dollars against 35 million. As the newspaper notes, FC-1 (JF-17) significantly inferior to the characteristics of the Russian MiG-29, but cost much less - 10 million dollars against 35 million.

The contract to supply China hundred RD-93 valued at 238 million dollars was signed in 2005. The contract to supply China hundred RD-93 valued at 238 million dollars was signed in 2005. Contractor contract is Moscow Engineering Plant named after Chernyshev. Contractor contract is Moscow Engineering Plant named after Chernyshev. In addition, China signed the framework agreement on delivery of 500 Russian engines. In addition, China signed the framework agreement on delivery of 500 Russian engines. At the same time, China announced that it is ready to buy 1000 upgraded power plants with increased traction. At the same time, China announced that it is ready to buy 1000 upgraded power plants with increased traction. The total contract value was estimated at 3.75 billion dollars. The total contract value was estimated at 3.75 billion dollars.

It should be noted that China has resorted to the procurement of engines for its fighters in Russia. It should be noted that China has resorted to the procurement of engines for its fighters in Russia. In particular, in January 2009 the country bought in Russia 122 AL-31FN engines for its J-10 fighter. In particular, in January 2009 the country bought in Russia 122 AL-31FN engines for its J-10 fighter. The purchase price amounted to half a billion dollars. The purchase price amounted to half a billion dollars. The interests of Russia and China is not the first time face to the world market. The interests of Russia and China is not the first time face to the world market. In 2008, the Indonesian Air Force announced plans to purchase Russian training aircraft Yak-130 and Chinese FTC-2000. In 2008, the Indonesian Air Force announced plans to purchase Russian training aircraft Yak-130 and Chinese FTC-2000. In 2009, the MiG-29 won the tender of Myanmar at the Chinese FC-1 and J-10. In 2009, the MiG-29 won the tender of Myanmar at the Chinese FC-1 and J-10.
 

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Big Deal. Sukhoi and MiG are not the Russian government. The Russians will pressure China a little, and after extracting a higher price, give their consent. After all, which other country is willing to buy 500 RD93 engines from them? (India doesn't count, we are already in their pocket).
 

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