Japan unveils aircraft carrier

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wow i cant make things any clearer for you. this is an absolute nadir of incomprehensiveness if you can`t even make sense out of #114 maybe this link will shed some light on the pits of darkness that your mind has become Time to put inferiority complex behind us - Globaltimes.cn
Priceless! on one hand you are making fun of CCP, on the other using globaltimes as an reference: Muhhahahahah. talking about shoot yourself in the foot.
I cant make thing any clear for you, son. This is an absolute nadir of incomprehensiveness on your part to compare Nanjing to Diouyu island.
May as well using indian inferiority complex to explain your claims based on The McMahon Line.
 

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Priceless! on one hand you are making fun of CCP, on the other using globaltimes as an reference: Muhhahahahah. talking about shoot yourself in the foot.
I cant make thing any clear for you, son. This is an absolute nadir of incomprehensiveness on your part to compare Nanjing to Diouyu island.
May as well using indian inferiority complex to explain your claims based on The McMahon Line.
i`m quoting the global times to expound the point that even your own party mouthpiece admits the fact that an inferiority complex exists vis-a-vis Japan. Hence the pissing in the pants whenever a significant Japanese military announcement is made
 

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Son, you are not the first one who citing 50 cents and brainwashing when you run out of arguments, nor would you be the last to use ad-hominem to cover up your ignorance. Just read some of the older DFI threads. You are hardly unique. I have been here long enough to know that. :rolleyes:
And may I remind you that you are the best casestudy ever. period. Btw it is spelled psychological, at least spell your name right.
looks like finally found a typo to back up your sorry attempts at denigrating my logic - is that the best you can do to counter my posts? well, at least it proves you aren`t a mindless script bot that can pick up single word typos `shows how barren and dry of ideas your retorts are
 

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Priceless! on one hand you are making fun of CCP, on the other using globaltimes as an reference: Muhhahahahah. talking about shoot yourself in the foot.
I cant make thing any clear for you, son. This is an absolute nadir of incomprehensiveness on your part to compare Nanjing to Diouyu island.
May as well using indian inferiority complex to explain your claims based on The McMahon Line.
atleast use your own original sentence constructs for rebuttals - but typical chinese mentality of copy paste prevails here as well :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 

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atleast use your own original sentence constructs for rebuttals - but typical chinese mentality of copy paste prevails here as well :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
It is typical of fanboys resorting ot ad-homins and racial stereotypes to hide their ignorance. If you ever feel the need to get back to topic, pm me.
Otherwise I have better things to do than teach you basic manners that is rightfully your parents job.
 

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i`m quoting the global times to expound the point that even your own party mouthpiece admits the fact that an inferiority complex exists vis-a-vis Japan. Hence the pissing in the pants whenever a significant Japanese military announcement is made
If you dont believe in global times , why quote it in the first place? It is called double standard.
 

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It is typical of fanboys resorting ot ad-homins and racial stereotypes to hide their ignorance. If you ever feel the need to get back to topic, pm me.
Otherwise I have better things to do than teach you basic manners that is rightfully your parents job.
stereotypes and cliches exist for a reason - atleast in this case, they are grounded in hard facts. ask all the western countries suing you for IP violations :p if you ever feel like making some original contributions with logical points, reply to these posts. even i have better things todo than spoonfeed and dumbdown my arguments to bring them to your level. this should have been taught to you by your parents, teachers and society. oh wait, lol, silly me they themselves cant teach you something they dont know now, can they ? :rofl:
 

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If you dont believe in global times , why quote it in the first place? It is called double standard.
the globaltimes is only believeable in the sense that its a party mouthpiece and gives a window into the mind of the CCP machinery. which itself admits to having an inferiority complex against japan. get it ? got it ? good boy !
 

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It is typical of fanboys resorting ot ad-homins and racial stereotypes to hide their ignorance. If you ever feel the need to get back to topic, pm me.
Otherwise I have better things to do than teach you basic manners that is rightfully your parents job.
ad-homins :rofl: Pot calling the kettle black ? Read your posts, aunty.
 

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Here is an article by Hiraku Katsuyama that was shared with me by a member on conditions of anonymity. He is more than welcome to reveal himself if he so chooses.

Since this is under copyright, I will present only excerpts:

The Day When Japan Has A True Aircraft Carrier
AUGUST 21, 2013

(SEKAI NO KANSEN (JAPAN) 01 SEP 13) "¦ Hiraku Katsuyama

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The clear difference between China's very unreasonable claims and actions, as well as its propaganda and psychological warfare, regarding the Senkaku Islands and the Soviet Union's past ambitions is that China is very skillfully making it difficult for the United States to act.

Accordingly, if Chins should undertake military action in regards to the Senkaku Islands, Japan should be prepared to respond by its own force independently. What cannot be in error at such a time is Japan's military control strategy. Recent discussion on the defense of outlying islands has become quite clamorous, but the actual defense of these islands will hinge on whether Japan can secure and maintain air and naval supremacy in the areas around the islands. As the lessons from the Pacific War showed, Japan's military was unsuccessful in defending any of the remote islands when it lost air superiority and naval supremacy.

In order to defend the Senkaku Islands, which means deterring and preventing military action by an adversary against them, Japan must bolster its naval and air power and enhance their operational efficiency. It should be kept firmly in mind that it is likely that Chinese military action against the Senkakus would probably extend from Okinawa to the remote Yaeyama Island chain and Miyako Island. For China, the military significance of controlling these islands and the waters around them would be much greater than possessing the Senkaku Islands.

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Possibilities for the 22DDH Light Aircraft Carrier

It is still assuming a lot that Japan will acquire a fifth-generation V/STOL fighter plane (from here, generally understood to mean the F-35B), but I will discuss the developmental possibilities for the 22DDH helicopter carrier with this assumption.

1. Putting the F-35B Into Operation Without Remodeling [the 22DDH]

The 22DDH would be able to serve as a takeoff and landing, as well as a holding, vessel for the F-35B. As for the number of planes, in addition to pilot rescue helicopters and a V/STOL AEW aircraft, and considering the placement of the aircraft moorings and the necessary work space, it is thought a 22DDH could hold ten or so F-35Bs.

The problem is the payload for the planes on board. In the case of aircraft operations with the 22DDH, compared with a large aircraft carrier or a light aircraft carrier equipped with a ski jump ramp and landing equipment (arresting gear), the 22DDH would be fairly constrained as far as its combat radius and the number of missiles it could carry. However, since these constraints could be mitigated by advancing close to the area of operations so that the planes could be utilized, even though the number of planes would be limited, if a high-performance fifth-generation fighter plane like the F-35B is part of the equation, the 22DDH could play a substantial and active role.

2. Equipping a Ski Jump Ramp

A 22DDH could be equipped with a simple-type ski jump ramp. One way would be to attach a truss-structure ski jump ramp near the bow of the vessel. Even though this would include reinforcing the ship's hull, attaching a ramp would require relatively little construction work, time, and cost.

However, in this case, to ensure an adequate length of the runway for takeoffs, the standby area for the next plane to takeoff will have to be limited, which would lengthen the intervals between takeoffs. Moreover, since a ski jump at the ship's bow will create air turbulence, the direction the vessel can take during landings will be constrained.

A truss-type ski jump ramp would be made on land in advance, requiring several months for the construction and attachment and costing under 100 million yen. (The construction period and costs are estimates taking into consideration the relationship with the ship's hull; further research needs to be done on matters, such as the adding of ballast, related to maintaining the ship's performance. The same holds for the option described below.)

One other option is to build a full-fledged ski jump ramp within the bow. In this case, the 22DDH would be able to carry out flight operations as a light aircraft carrier. However, if a ski jump ramp is built into the bow, the powerful bow sonar array, the "sales point" of the 22DDH, would face major problems.

The bow of the 22DDH's hull allows for the sleek hull shape, which reduces water resistance to facilitate speed, and ensures the performance of the bow sonar. A full-fledged ski jump ramp weighs several hundred tons (possible at most 500 tons), and if such a ramp is added to the bow, the bow trim will be greatly increased, requiring around (at least) 1,000 tons of ballast in the rear of the vessel. If the vessel is to be actually sailed on the high seas, a number of problems will arise concerning the reinforcement of the hull and ensuring of ship speed, and detailed study will have to be carried out to determine if this is a realistic option. Moreover, the construction period for a remodeling of this nature would require around half a year and the cost would run over several hundred million yen.

By widening the bow of the 22DDH's hull, the above-mentioned change in the trim can be constrained, and secondarily, more space will be created, improving the ship's functions as a light aircraft carrier, but the bow sonar's performance will be compromised, and some means will be necessary to ensure the required speed for the vessel. This remodeling would require around one year and a cost of over one billion yen.

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Conclusion

With their increasing size and cost, MSDF ships will be used for around 40 years after they are commissioned. Accordingly, we must realize that the military situation regarding Japan could greatly change during that period, and Japan should build vessels that allow the possibility of major remodelings during the period of their service. At 20,000 tons, the 22DDH is a large vessel, and various considerations are being factored in for its activities for MOOTW, and in light of the recent changes in the military situation affecting Japan, many quarters are expecting the possibility of its development into a light aircraft carrier after it is commissioned. In the request for budgeting for the 22DDH, great emphasis has been put on building large Hyuga-class helicopter carriers, but it will be quite regrettable if there is inadequate discussion on remodeling the 22DDH into light aircraft carriers in the future.

China's dream espoused by Xi Jinping is the worst nightmare for Japan. I strongly urge that in order to resolutely back up our diplomacy militarily, we must particularly build up our own naval and air power response capabilities to enable us to maintain and enhance the deterrence provided by the US-Japan alliance.

Hiraku Katsuyama is former admiral and Japan Maritime Self-Defense fleet commander.
Full article: The Day When Japan Has A True Aircraft Carrier - Association of Naval Aviation in Virginia Beach, Virginia - Hampton Roads Squadron
 

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^^^ Instead of all this why not secretly make full fledge aircraft carrier
Well, if you read the full article, you will see that money is a constraint, as much as time is. They need stuff quick enough, but with limited budget.
 

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" This remodeling would require around one year and a cost of over one billion yen." -
thanks @pmaitra for finally adding some sensible points back on the thread, the chinese troll slaying was getting a bit too easy and repetitive after a while.
1billion yen = 1million USD so how much of a dent is it in japanese budget ? not very big i guess, the natural gestation time may actually be lesser than a year if project management and operations are structured so that round-the-clock shifts are done, which is very likely to happen if action breaks out in the Senkaku area. it will be a war-like, if not an actual war, scenario.
 
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nice looking ship! way better than chinese micro carriers. Atleast decent design and indigenous ship.
 

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Few of F-35B with an sky jump and its an Aircraft carrier ..
 

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Japan commissions helicopter carrier Izumo



The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force (JMSDF) commissioned first-in-class helicopter carrier JS Izumo (DDH 183) in a ceremony in Yokohama on 25 March. The 248 m-long vessel, which displaces 24,000 tonnes at full load, is the largest Japanese military ship built since the Second World War and can carry up to 14 helicopters. Izumo and its yet unnamed sister ship (DDH 184) are replacing JS Shirane (DDH 143) and JS Kurama (DDH 144), inducted in 1980 and 1981, respectively. DDH 184 is due to be launched in August by Yokohama-based shipbuilder IHI Marine United. It is scheduled to be commissioned in March 2017. According to IHS Jane's Fighting Ships , Izumo is equipped with an OQQ-22 bow-mounted sonar for submarine prosecution while air defence is provided by two Raytheon RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile SeaRAM launchers and two Phalanx close- in weapon systems. While optimised for anti- submarine warfare - it can embark Sikorsky/Mitsubishi SH-60K Seahawk anti-submarine warfare helicopters and the Izumo class's air wing will also include two airborne mine countermeasures versions of the Kawasaki Heavy Industries/ AgustaWestland MCH-101 helicopter - JMSDF officials claim that the ship will be deployed mainly for border surveillance and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions. Officials in Tokyo have also suggested it will embark Bell- Boeing V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft and could play a command-and-control role in any operations to protect Japanese territories in the East China Sea.

Japan commissions helicopter carrier Izumo - IHS Jane's 360
 

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Japan's New Helicopter Carrier: Bad News for Chinese Subs?
This week, Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force commissioned the JS Izumo (DDH-183), a helicopter destroyer, in a ceremony at the JMSDF Yokosuka naval base in Yokohama.

The new carrier's principal task, although touted as a multi-purpose vessel, will be anti-submarine warfare and command-and-control operations to protect Japanese territories in the East China Sea.

"This heightens our ability to deal with Chinese submarines that have become more difficult to detect," one Japanese official noted. According to other JMSDF officials, the ship will also be used for humanitarian aid and disaster relief (HADR) operations.

With a 27,000 tons displacement when fully loaded (some sources state 24,000 tons), the 248 m-long Izumo-class helicopter carrier is the largest surface combatant in the Japanese fleet to date, and substantially bigger than its predecessor, the Hyūga-class, which yielded 19,000 tons.

The ship will have a crew of around 470 and also can carry up to 400 JSDF troops. IHS Jane's Defence Weekly notes about the vessels's specifications:

Izumo is equipped with an OQQ-22 bow-mounted sonar for submarine prosecution while air defence is provided by two Raytheon RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile SeaRAM launchers and two Phalanx close-in weapon systems. ("¦)

t can embark Sikorsky/Mitsubishi SH-60K Seahawk anti-submarine warfare helicopters and the Izumo class's air wing will also include two airborne mine countermeasures versions of the Kawasaki Heavy Industries/AgustaWestland MCH-101 helicopter – JMSDF officials claim that the ship will be deployed mainly for border surveillance and humanitarian assistance and disaster relief missions. (..) Officials in Tokyo have also suggested it will embark Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft.

The ship is designed to accommodate up to 14 helicopters (seven Mitsubishi-built SH-60k ASW helicopters and seven Agusta Westland MCM-101 mine countermeasure helicopters), five of which can simultaneously take off and land, given the Izumo's large flight deck and five landing spots.

USNI News notes that the Izumo could also accommodate fixed wing aircraft – perhaps up to 27 total:

The ship would also be able to field American MV-22s and potentially the short takeoff and vertical landing variant of the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lighting II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), however Japanese defense officials have repeatedly said they have no plans to use the JSF on the Izumo.

The new carrier is slightly larger than other light carriers, such as the Italian Cavour and the Spanish Principe de Asturias – both of which carry fixed wing aircraft. Total costs of the ship are billed at about 120 billion yen ($1 billion), although they may be as high as $ 1.5 billion.

The naming of the vessel caused some controversy. "[T]he name Izumo itself has historical baggage: the original Izumo, an armored cruiser that participated in the Battle of Tsushima, was purchased with reparations from the first Sino-Japanese War. There is little doubt all parties, particularly the Chinese, are aware of the lineage," one analyst noted.

The new carrier joined the MSDF's Escort Flotilla 1 based in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture. The JS Izumo's sister ship, also constructed by the IHI Marine United Yokohama Shipyard (which already built the Hyūga-class helicopter destroyers), will be launched this August and is scheduled to be commissioned in March 2017.


Japan’s New Helicopter Carrier: Bad News for Chinese Subs? | The Diplomat
 

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not really i think eventually will be used for f35b, japan already has 100+ p3 and now import quite a few of p8
 

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