J-10 crashed in Hunan province, pilot died

[DaRk WaVe]

Well, then we must see PRC ordering more AL-31 from Russia. This will have to make fresh order since previous is already completed.

PRC ordered total 250 AL-31 from Russia till end of 2006. Some 200+ are J-10 are produced. Say 36 will be delivered to PAF.

Where is the engine coming for rest PLAF J-10s? And what about J-10B sporting DSI?

They'll have to order more AL-31 since it appears that China has failed to reverse engineer AL-31....

right now PAF will like Chinese Engine to mature a bit(but to be honest Chinese are not doing good in Engines), if they didnt we will try AL-31 but these are just rumors

& Yes J-10B has DSI

 

[BunBunCake]

People if you have verified sources, I kindly ask you to cite them first then bring up such arguments. I'd request you to post here the sources you have for the five crashes of J-10.

J-10 is a good plane. Yes, it is a copy of the IAI Lavi design, what not. That's not the point.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.220/pub_detail.asp

Chinese Chengdu J-10 Emerges
Aviation Week

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by Richard Fisher, Jr.
Published on January 14th, 2010
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Wrapped in secrecy for most of the decade following its 1998 test flight, Chengdu Aircraft Corp.'s J-10 multirole fighter is set to enter the global market. Following a development history that extends to the 1960s, and five years in the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), the J-10 may emerge in the market soon after 2010, offering capabilities approaching Lockheed Martin's F-16C Block 60, at half the price.

About 150 J-10s may be in PLAAF units. This could exceed 300 based on Russian disclosures that China purchased 300-400 12.7-ton-thrust Salyut AL-31FN engines for the fighter. Pakistan, which received Chinese nuclear weapons technology and generations of conventional weapons, will be the debut J-10 customer.

Reports from Pakistan say a deal has been reached to sell 36 J-10s to Islamabad for $1.4 billion, about $40 million per unit. F-16C Block 60 fighters with AN/APG-80 active phased array radar were sold to the United Arab Emirates for about $80 million each. It is not known whether the price of Pakistan's J-10 includes spares, support and training.

Pakistan could buy 70-150 J-10s. The country has been an F-16 operator since 1982, and is taking delivery of 18 F-16C/D Block 52 fighters, half of an expected sale of 36. Pakistani sources tell DTI that the J-10 is not expected to become a coproduction project with Pakistan. There have also been reports of interest in the J-10 by Iran, Myanmar and the Philippines.

China has not released data about the J-10. Recent Chinese media reports, however, offer the following: length, 16.43 meters (53.9 ft.); wingspan, 8.78 or 9.75 meters; maximum takeoff weight, 19,227 kg. (42,300 lb.); maximum weapons load, 7,000 kg.; combat radius, 1,100 km. (683 mi.); maximum speed, Mach 2; maneuverability, 9g.

Despite a history of Israeli and Russian design assistance, and its dependence on the Salyut engine, China touts the J-10 as a domestic product. November festivities marking the PLAAF's 60th anniversary featured a J-10 aerobatic display and the showing of a prototype and full-scale, twin-seat mockup at the national aviation museum.

Besides price, what makes the J-10 attractive is competitive electronic and weapon systems. The latest version, sometimes called the J-10B (or FC-20 when slated for Pakistan) emerged in Internet photos in January 2009. It features a diverterless supersonic inlet similar in principle to that of the Joint Strike Fighter. The nose is redesigned, with an infrared search-and-track system in front of the windscreen and what appears to be a canted radar bulkhead consistent with a fixed electronically scanned array radar. If true, this would be a major advance for China's radar technology, and may make the J-10 competitive with upgraded Western and Russian fourth-generation-plus fighters. The cockpit is dominated by three multifunction displays and a head-up display.

The J-10 has 11 hardpoints, including five on the fuselage. Its principal counter-air weapon is the Luoyang PL 12 active radar-guided air-to-air missile (AAM) with 70-km. range. With a twin-AAM pylon on the inner wing mount, plus two on forward fuselage mounts, the J-10 could carry eight PL-12s. Short-range AAMs include the PL-8, a copy of the Israeli Python-3, and an improved version of this missile, the PL-9, both helmet-sighted. The J-10 may soon feature a more capable helmet-mounted display and a new fifth-generation AAM from Luoyang.

The fighter's market success will depend on China's ability to produce reliable advanced turbofan engines. Rival fighter maker Shenyang has been developing its WS-10A Taihang turbofan since the mid-1980s, which could offer 13.2 tons of thrust. Russian sources believe it is beset by developmental difficulties.

Chengdu may have a competing Huashan advanced turbofan engine program, which some Chinese sources note is based on its late-1990s acquisition of the engineering data and sales rights to the Tumansky R-79 turbofan developed for the defunct Yakovlev Yak-141 supersonic vertical/short-takeoff-and-landing fighter. Nevertheless, Russian sources say China remains interested in more powerful versions of the Salyut AL-31FN, which could come in 13.5- and, eventually, 15-ton-thrust versions.

Chengdu remains ready to develop a carrier-based version of the J-10. During the PLAAF anniversary, a test pilot was reported noting that ground-test simulations prove the J-10 can operate from a carrier.

40 million for a plane with no engine and radar is this a good deal??

 

[nrj]

right now PAF will like Chinese Engine to mature a bit(but to be honest Chinese are not doing good in Engines), if they didnt we will try AL-31 but these are just rumors

I hope PAF doing better decision.

With which engine J-10B is flying?

2 crashes in development phase i.e the crashed planes has to be upgraded J10B (claimed to be with AESA)

Is it WS making problems or AL-31 catching fire due to new unfit structure/ DSI?

 

[Necrosis Factor]

There are also reports of engine fires mid flight it can be worst than MIG-21'S.

Again, during testing?? From what I've looked up the J-10 crash rate is just about around (a little bit less) the crash rate of the F-16.

 

[nrj]

40 million for a plane with no engine and radar is this a good deal??

Radar will be KLJ-10 since FC-10A is just export varient of J-10A.

Yes the engine question is real deal here. PAF be taking huge risk if these 36 fighters come with WS engines. And if FC-10A has AL-31 then what engine will J10B use??

I doubt Russia will sell them more AL-31 smoothly....

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Again, during testing?? From what I've looked up the J-10 crash rate is just about around (a little bit less) the crash rate of the F-16.

this is fires not crashes and this is after development

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2009/11/chinese-pilot-gets-top-honors-for.html

J-10 pilot gets top honors for saving faulty jet fighter
Public Relations kitsch aside, this write-up offers a glance into how the PLAAF operates.

Chinese pilot gets top honors for saving faulty jet fighter

08:14, March 30, 2009
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90776/90786/6822507.html

A Chinese pilot who successfully brought a malfunctioning jet fighter, a domestically made J-10, in for a landing was given the nation's First-Class Merit Citation and a Meritorious Pilot gold medal last Thursday

Li Feng, 38, an air force pilot with more than 2,000 hours of flight time, encountered an engine problem during a tactical training exercise at an altitude of about 4,500 meters on March 7.

With assistance from the command center of a nearby air base, Li tried every possible means to return to base. However, the plane lost all power at an altitude of 1,160 meters, although it was only about 6 km from the base's runway.

"There was some smoke in the cockpit, perhaps generated by the engine, which leaked into the environmental control system," Lt.-Col. Li said during an interview with China Central Television last week.

"All readings on the instrument board vanished, red lights flashed and the radio went out," he said.

Under Air Force rules, fighter pilots may eject if their aircraft loses engine power below 2,000 meters and can't be restarted.

Before Li lost contact with the control tower, the commander in the air base asked him to eject.

But Li Feng insisted on having another try.

"I knew where the deadline (to abandon the aircraft) was and was prepared for the ejection, but I decided not to give up unless the fighter was totally out of control."

After 106 seconds, Li was able to glide the fighter to a safe landing.

During his service in the Air Force, Li handled another emergency in 1999, when his J-7 jet fighter caught fire at take-off.

The award ceremony was held by the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) Air Force Command in Guangzhou, capital of south China's Guangdong Province.

Li received the medal from Yang Dongming, Deputy Commander of the PLA's Air Force, who came especially to the city for the ceremony on behalf of Commander Xu Qiliang.

Li is a deputy commander of an aviation regiment in the PLA's Guangzhou Military Area Command.

The First-Class Merit Citation is the second-highest military award can get. The Meritorious Pilot gold medal is the top award that the PLA Air Force grants to its pilots. Only a very small number of outstanding pilots have been awarded those medals since 1991.

Li was also given 200,000 yuan (29,411 U.S. dollars) for his courage and composure, which allowed him to save the aircraft worth 200 million yuan. He will share the bonus with other people involved.

Those who were in the control tower during the event won Second-Class Merit Citations.

The J-10 is the third generation of a single-engine fighter made by China's largest state-owned aircraft maker, Aviation Industry Corp. of China.

Source:Xinhua

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Radar will be KLJ-10 since FC-10A is just export varient of J-10A.

Yes the engine question is real deal here. PAF be taking huge risk if these 36 fighters come with WS engines. And FC-10A has AL-31 then what engine will J10B use??

I doubt Russia will sell them more AL-31 smoothly....

whatever AL-31's sold will be kept by China this is why they are trying to push WS-10's .

 

[nrj]

whatever AL-31's sold will be kept by China this is why they are trying to push WS-10's .

So come 2015, world will witness the cheap copied Chinese fighters with PAF's FC-10 crashing or developing problems.
This will surely give blow to Chinese weapon export...

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Chinese had plans to sell to Iran, Pakistan,syria and others, do you think Russia will give them an engine that cuts into their market???

 

[nrj]

Russia already in talks to sell AL-31 to Iran...

Anyways whatever happens, J-XX to be inducted before PAK FA & will be sold all over so maybe some magic wand or Alien tech in hand of China... LMAO

 

[AkhandBharat]

Its funny to see Emo Girl here playing the other tune when in, she and most other ridicule every crash that happens in IAF sorties.

Its also funny that a country which positions itself as the manufacturing hub of the entire world has had 5 crashes in prototype development.

Another funny thing is that, if that had happened with the Tejas, it would have been grounded for many years and/or the project abandoned and DRDO blamed like there's no tomorrow.

MOD: Dont Mention/Drag in Other Forums

 

[nimo_cn]

its in chinese?????google translator says

Mate, it is Japanese!

 

[huanle]

we all know its a fake news made up by some kids ,but you guys choose to belive those baby talk ,,,,why
sankei.jp.msn,,,,jap?

 

[A.V.]

ok so the news is untrue is what our chinese friends are telling might be they are correct but do you have any official denial statement or any news on this anywhere in china then please share
if the news is true we need to mourn the pilot death human life is always valuable over any other argument RIP

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Radar will be KLJ-10 since FC-10A is just export varient of J-10A.

Yes the engine question is real deal here. PAF be taking huge risk if these 36 fighters come with WS engines. And if FC-10A has AL-31 then what engine will J10B use??

I doubt Russia will sell them more AL-31 smoothly....

right now J-10B is working with AL-31FN

Radar will not be a problem almost all Selex Radars on offer if KLJ-10 is not good enough

 

[Daredevil]

MOD NOTE: This thread is about J-10 crash. So keep to the topic and don't drag IAF, PAF or any other crashes into this otherwise your post will get deleted. Thanks

 

[DaRk WaVe]

now loook at the Google Translation lol

China's most advanced fighter jet crashed

Human rights groups in Hong Kong, and reported that of 23 centers and Democracy, Rights of Chinese sophisticated fighter in the Chinese Air Force "10 殲" the morning on August 22 one unit, crashed while flying over Hunan province, pilot died.

its an old news

 

[Super Commando Dhruva]

Mate, it is Japanese!

Off-topic mate, but can you Chinese read Japanese and Korean script ?

 

[Vinod2070]

RIP to the pilot. Crashes happen in this business. One has to take them in stride and learn from them.