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They should be allowed but not as Monopoly , also a government entity should also be present , as rnd mostly and strict quality control
That will never work, money will buy anyone and everything....it is not about monopoly or not. It is not the way to go in certain sectors....look at big tech and narayan murthy and what he supports....on the other hand we have down to earth like Dr. Shivam that keep on going day by day
 

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That will never work, money will buy anyone and everything....it is not about monopoly or not. It is not the way to go in certain sectors....look at big tech and narayan murthy and what he supports....
Big tech were allowed to make Monopoly and supported so , also in india it matter sector to sector , not some bard and fast rule for everything
 

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Big tech were allowed to make Monopoly and supported so , also in india it matter sector to sector , not some bard and fast rule for everything
"Allowed/approved" is the word associated with corruption.....never let private sector to do anything whole more than componentry into strategic sectors. It will be a huge mistake, we already a giant like US on its knees by the likes of FB, Twitter and Google and what not.

Also if Musk is an example then he got tech handed to him by tax payer funded research of decades for free....he will never invest in something that does not lead to profit or rather immediate profit and they will lead to diluting central institutions in the mean time...we have lot of examples like that from HMT to IDPL and what not.
 

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"Allowed/approved" is the word associated with corruption.....never let private sector to do anything whole more than componentry into strategic sectors. It will be a huge mistake, we already a giant like US on its knees by the likes of FB, Twitter and Google and what not.

Also if Musk is an example then he got tech handed to him by tax payer funded research of decades for free....he will never invest in something that does not lead to profit or rather immediate profit and they will lead to diluting central institutions in the mean time...we have lot of examples like that from HMT to IDPL and what not.
IMO IT IS BEC LOBBYING IS LEGAL THERE SO ALWAYS SENATORS ARE IN SALE
 

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IMO IT IS BEC LOBBYING IS LEGAL THERE SO ALWAYS SENATORS ARE IN SALE
There are much easier things than lobbying in India to influence our politicians.....we can all agree to that :). I can just start with tenders visualization in my mind and think about the IAS and ministers and what not....rightnow atleast ISRO do not have to worry about certain things....scandals and scams will not be too far behind.
 

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There are much easier things than lobbying in India to influence our politicians.....we can all agree to that :). I can just start with tenders visualization in my mind and think about the IAS and ministers and what not....rightnow atleast ISRO do not have to worry about certain things....scandals and scams will not be too far behind.
You want to talk which sector ?
 

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Which sector private can participate within ISRO?
Not isro but nsil would take care of launch afterwards , and we can assist small private sector , for sslv class .

Also isro rocket components are made by private partner ,no quality issues
 

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Not isro but nsil would take care of launch afterwards , and we can assist small private sector , for sslv class .

Also isro rocket components are made by private partner ,no quality issues
As long as we don't go the musk/US model in anything.....I actually prefer Japanese model inspite of all the rap they get on stagnant economy and what not. It is clear western model is not good for countries anymore....it is important to get one cultural flavor into their system organically, we need to find our own. Japanese colloborate, collude and what not but there are rules they follow inspite of all those things....

Got to be extremely careful and really measure private sector innovation in other sectors first on the world stage before worshipping them....most of the tech from private sector is not 1st rated competing on the world stage yet...and a lot of opaqueness on the indigenous labeling in my opinion
 

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As long as we don't go the musk/US model in anything.....I actually prefer Japanese model inspite of all the rap they get on stagnant economy and what not. It is clear western model is not good for countries anymore....it is important to get one cultural flavor into their system organically, we need to find our own. Japanese colloborate, collude and what not but there are rules they follow inspite of all those things....

Got to be extremely careful and really measure private sector innovation in other sectors first on the world stage before worshipping them....most of the tech from private sector is not 1st rated competing on the world stage yet...and a lot of opaqueness on the indigenous labeling in my opinion
Yeah i agree on that , but why japanese ,why not a indian model of approach , our industries are different , functioning is different ,so our way of working should be different which suits us most
 

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Yeah i agree on that , but why japanese ,why not a indian model of approach , our industries are different , functioning is different ,so our way of working should be different which suits us most
Here it is from my earlier post....
"It is important to get one cultural flavor into their system organically, we need to find our own"

I like the Japanese as its inward looking and extremely long term....back when ieyasu tokugawa took power in late 1500's, on his death bed he told to his son to ban the missionaries and that continued till almost next 300 years and he saw them exactly as what they are....colonizers and evil that will ruin them if they let them in.

Even now, Japanese corporate boards are mostly Japanese and their market is mostly domestic companies....do not beleive in western analysts stagnant nonsense and population decline...
 

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Guys, is there any chance of ISRO using HLV for Manned Ganganyaan flight instead of GSLV-MK3, because the timeline mentioned for both of them are matching i.e 2023. Also a fully liquid fuelled rocket is more safer than Solid fulled rocket, because it can be throttled down ,thus reducing g-forces on astronauts
We want official test of SC Series engine right now, then I am wih you on your prediction.
If you want past as a reference, they do tested gslv bahubali first then on second mission, it was fully used.
 

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But it need to be tested ,i would put my money if it will used first for second unmanned flight , they won't fly a new rocket with human in it , most probably they will launch second unmanned with it
Nah dude you may see if @Vamsi is right then first unmanned test with hlv.
 

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Another interesting bit about SCE-200 from Yuzhmash head of testing:

This interview is from Aug 2020

With what countries is YUZHMASH working on tests now? Are there any third-party test orders or orders from the government only?
Now we have a contract with India to develop the “cap” and the engine itself. At the beginning of this year, we should have already received an engine from India, or rather a “cap”. “Cap” is a combustion chamber without a turbopump unit, without a gas generator, or it is a combustion chamber with a gas generator and injectors, ie. It is a part of the engine. But due to COVID-19, the delivery has so far been postponed. The main critical component on all engines is the gas generator. The “hat” needs to be worked out first. Now, if the gas generator is used up, then the whole system will work normally. This unit is the most tense, takes the first blow, everything passes through the gas generator, after which it enters the combustion chamber.

Many countries are trying to abandon amyl-heptyl and want to switch to oxygen-kerosene as more ecological components. But today, not all countries can develop such an engine or afford to buy it. A large and experienced team of specialists is needed to create such products. As the example India, which has concluded an agreement with us. Indian experts assumed that they would quickly assemble the engine on their own and send it to us for testing, but they have been assembling it for about two or three years. At the same time, they consulted with us on how to properly weld, how to prepare the engine, how to select the material and perform its machining. It is not so easy. YUZHMASH still has this potential and precious heads, which can do all this, can transfer experience, they are still working. But if it goes on like this, it will be hard.

So ,engine isn't ready as of Aug 2020

 

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ISRO PLANS FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY USE IN SPACE
WEDNESDAY, MAY 19, 2021 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS



On 28 January, 2021, the UR Rao Satellite Centre (URSC) of Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) invited proposals for the three phase development of a 100 Watt Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG). As ISRO’s lead centre for design, development, fabrication, and testing of all Indian-made satellites, the centre envisions using RTG for power generation and thermal management of ISRO’s deep space missions. With plans of setting up a space station, and launching the first Indian human space flight mission, Gaganyaan; the first Indian solar observatory, Aditya L-1; the second Indian space telescope XPoSat; Mangalyaan-2 to Mars; Chandrayaan-3 as a reattempt to land on the Moon; and the Venus orbiter mission Shukrayaan; ISRO has embarked on a monumental journey of exploring remote and challenging environments. It has told the world that India does not want to be a nascent space player anymore.

Against this backdrop, the decision to invest in nuclear thermal propulsion (NTP) appears inevitable. RTGs are not new but the use of nuclear energy for launching rockets had been long given up, though small nuclear-powered rovers like the US’s Perseverance have been in use. RTGs were first used in space during the Cold War in 1961 for the US’s Transit-4A Mission. Since then, the erstwhile Soviet Union had launched over two dozen nuclear-powered space objects. However, budget constraints, complicated designs, progress in alternative sources of energy, and the possibility of escalation of the Cold War led to the curtailment of nuclear propulsion projects.

RTGs are not new but the use of nuclear energy for launching rockets had been long given up, though small nuclear-powered rovers like the US’s Perseverance have been in use


Now, as the importance of the space frontier and the desire to make new scientific discoveries increase, nuclear power sources have come into the spotlight once more. RTGs provide power by using thermocouples to convert thermal energy generated by the natural decay of radioactive isotopes into electrical energy. They are highly reliable and maintenance-free as the absence of moving parts in thermocouples reduces the chances of failure and wear out. Nuclear-propelled rockets are more fuel efficient and lighter than chemical rockets. Hence, they would travel further, are faster, and would shorten the trip time. At the India Energy Forum, the US Energy Secretary, Dan Brouillette, emphasised this when he claimed that the new fuel would allow a trip to and from Mars on ‘one tank of gas’. “What would take years, would take only months (now),” he said. This would also prove beneficial for human space travel. The astronauts’ exposure to harmful space radiations would be lessened, thereby, decreasing the mission’s overall risk. The Chief Engineer of NASA’s Space Technology Mission Directorate, Jeff Sheehy, notes “the longer you’re out there, the more time there is for stuff to go wrong”.

Nuclear or radioactive energy can be employed both as an alternative to and a complement of other sources of energy. This is seconded by former ISRO Chairman, AS Kiran Kumar, who calls RTG ‘futuristic’. RTGs are an unmatched alternative to solar power. Solar power is not an option for space objects meant to operate on the dark sides of planets where sunlight is obscured. Its intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the celestial body and the sun, hence, space objects sent to far off missions require an alternative source of energy. RTGs are independent of solar proximity and planetary alignment. This characteristic would help in minimising constraints like the ‘launch windows’ that the scientists have to operate within. More crucially, the current research is focused on developing radioisotope thermoelectric systems, which can provide thrust for interplanetary travel only, thereby, complementing the chemical rocket thrusters that launch the spacecraft beyond the low Earth orbit.

Even with the above-mentioned advantages over conventional sources of energy, nuclear space reactors stir controversy due to the inherent safety challenges. There is a risk of radioactive contamination, with a rocket explosion, disintegration or re-entrance into the atmosphere. However, if the highest standards of safety— keeping in mind both humans and the environment— are adopted, such risks can be minimised. A Seattle-based company, Ultra Safe Nuclear Technologies (USNC-Tech), claims to have designed an NTP engine that could protect the crew from being exposed to radioactive particles during the flight.

Nuclear space reactors stir controversy due to the inherent safety challenges. There is a risk of radioactive contamination, with a rocket explosion, disintegration or re-entrance into the atmosphere

After the re-entry of nuclear-powered KOSMOS 954 into the atmosphere in 1978, the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) adopted ‘Principles Relevant to the Use of Nuclear Power Sources in Outer Space’ which recognise that “for some missions in outer space, nuclear power sources are particularly suited or even essential owing to their compactness, long life, and other attributes”. It allows the use of nuclear reactors and radioisotope generators to operate on interplanetary missions and in sufficiently high orbits. ISRO, adhering to its commitment to the principle, has explicitly mentioned in the January document that “the unit should be able to [be] resilient to any pre-launch or post-launch explosion so as to not cause any nuclear contamination in the environment”. While chemical-powered rockets opened the door, nuclear energy would take humanity deeper into the space.

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ISRO PLANS FOR NUCLEAR ENERGY USE IN SPACE
WEDNESDAY, MAY 19, 2021 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS



On 28 January, 2021, the UR Rao Satellite Centre (URSC) of Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) invited proposals for the three phase development of a 100 Watt Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG). As ISRO’s lead centre for design, development, fabrication, and testing of all Indian-made satellites, the centre envisions using RTG for power generation and thermal management of ISRO’s deep space missions. With plans of setting up a space station, and launching the first Indian human space flight mission, Gaganyaan; the first Indian solar observatory, Aditya L-1; the second Indian space telescope XPoSat; Mangalyaan-2 to Mars; Chandrayaan-3 as a reattempt to land on the Moon; and the Venus orbiter mission Shukrayaan; ISRO has embarked on a monumental journey of exploring remote and challenging environments. It has told the world that India does not want to be a nascent space player anymore.

Against this backdrop, the decision to invest in nuclear thermal propulsion (NTP) appears inevitable. RTGs are not new but the use of nuclear energy for launching rockets had been long given up, though small nuclear-powered rovers like the US’s Perseverance have been in use. RTGs were first used in space during the Cold War in 1961 for the US’s Transit-4A Mission. Since then, the erstwhile Soviet Union had launched over two dozen nuclear-powered space objects. However, budget constraints, complicated designs, progress in alternative sources of energy, and the possibility of escalation of the Cold War led to the curtailment of nuclear propulsion projects.

RTGs are not new but the use of nuclear energy for launching rockets had been long given up, though small nuclear-powered rovers like the US’s Perseverance have been in use


Now, as the importance of the space frontier and the desire to make new scientific discoveries increase, nuclear power sources have come into the spotlight once more. RTGs provide power by using thermocouples to convert thermal energy generated by the natural decay of radioactive isotopes into electrical energy. They are highly reliable and maintenance-free as the absence of moving parts in thermocouples reduces the chances of failure and wear out. Nuclear-propelled rockets are more fuel efficient and lighter than chemical rockets. Hence, they would travel further, are faster, and would shorten the trip time. At the India Energy Forum, the US Energy Secretary, Dan Brouillette, emphasised this when he claimed that the new fuel would allow a trip to and from Mars on ‘one tank of gas’. “What would take years, would take only months (now),” he said. This would also prove beneficial for human space travel. The astronauts’ exposure to harmful space radiations would be lessened, thereby, decreasing the mission’s overall risk. The Chief Engineer of NASA’s Space Technology Mission Directorate, Jeff Sheehy, notes “the longer you’re out there, the more time there is for stuff to go wrong”.

Nuclear or radioactive energy can be employed both as an alternative to and a complement of other sources of energy. This is seconded by former ISRO Chairman, AS Kiran Kumar, who calls RTG ‘futuristic’. RTGs are an unmatched alternative to solar power. Solar power is not an option for space objects meant to operate on the dark sides of planets where sunlight is obscured. Its intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the celestial body and the sun, hence, space objects sent to far off missions require an alternative source of energy. RTGs are independent of solar proximity and planetary alignment. This characteristic would help in minimising constraints like the ‘launch windows’ that the scientists have to operate within. More crucially, the current research is focused on developing radioisotope thermoelectric systems, which can provide thrust for interplanetary travel only, thereby, complementing the chemical rocket thrusters that launch the spacecraft beyond the low Earth orbit.

Even with the above-mentioned advantages over conventional sources of energy, nuclear space reactors stir controversy due to the inherent safety challenges. There is a risk of radioactive contamination, with a rocket explosion, disintegration or re-entrance into the atmosphere. However, if the highest standards of safety— keeping in mind both humans and the environment— are adopted, such risks can be minimised. A Seattle-based company, Ultra Safe Nuclear Technologies (USNC-Tech), claims to have designed an NTP engine that could protect the crew from being exposed to radioactive particles during the flight.

Nuclear space reactors stir controversy due to the inherent safety challenges. There is a risk of radioactive contamination, with a rocket explosion, disintegration or re-entrance into the atmosphere

After the re-entry of nuclear-powered KOSMOS 954 into the atmosphere in 1978, the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs (UNOOSA) adopted ‘Principles Relevant to the Use of Nuclear Power Sources in Outer Space’ which recognise that “for some missions in outer space, nuclear power sources are particularly suited or even essential owing to their compactness, long life, and other attributes”. It allows the use of nuclear reactors and radioisotope generators to operate on interplanetary missions and in sufficiently high orbits. ISRO, adhering to its commitment to the principle, has explicitly mentioned in the January document that “the unit should be able to [be] resilient to any pre-launch or post-launch explosion so as to not cause any nuclear contamination in the environment”. While chemical-powered rockets opened the door, nuclear energy would take humanity deeper into the space.

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Months old news.
RTEG if comes anyway will be no less than moon landing or ASAT (possessed only by US, Russia and China only for now).
 

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