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It is foolish to simply expanding the budget in space program without considering the demand of economy and technologies.

Check the below chart of Chinese launch frequency since 1970, you can see it has been growing closely with Chinese economy:
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It is foolish to simply expanding the budget in space program without considering the demand of economy and technologies.

Check the below chart of Chinese launch frequency since 1970, you can see it has been growing closely with Chinese economy:
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Actually our economy is growing at rapid rate after 2010 more number of private companies are into space then ever in Indian history since past 4 year but i see no dedicating from government budget towards launch. Less no of launches actually shaking trust of pvt investment into Indian space economy many startup has started registering them self in usa and Europe.
 

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In 2019 india launch 5 rocket. No of rocket launchers has been on decline after that. Only in 2016 they launched that much rockets
 

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There is only one launch in 2021 and only one in 2022 so far do the math
 

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Shear amount of backlog they have in terms of satellite launch is enormous. They created a fake demand of hsf while satellite launch schedule is thrown into dustbin
 

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PM Modi To Inaugurate IN-SPACe Headquarters At Ahmedabad On 10 June, Move To Boost Private Sector In Space Activities

Prime Minister Narendra Modi will inaugurate the headquarters of the Indian National Space Promotion and Authorization Centre (IN-SPACe) at Bopal in Ahmedabad, Gujarat, on June 10.

IN-SPACe, approved by the Union cabinet in June 2020, will be the nodal agency that will allow space activities and use of Department of Space-owned facilities by non-government private entities and ensure greater private participation in the sector.

The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) made the announcement of IN-SPACe headquarters’ inauguration on its Twitter handle.

“I am happy to announce the inauguration of IN-SPACe Headquarters at Bopal, Ahmedabad by Hon’ble Prime Minister Shri Narendra Modi Ji on June 10, 2022 at 15:45 Hrs. We are looking forward to working with the industry and ISRO to grow the space sector, Pawan Goenka, Chairman of IN-SPACe tweeted.
 

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It is foolish to simply expanding the budget in space program without considering the demand of economy and technologies.

Check the below chart of Chinese launch frequency since 1970, you can see it has been growing closely with Chinese economy:
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I thought the expansion of Chinese launch frequency had less to do with its economy and more to do with foreign launch orders China started to receive after warming up relations with US. China of 1970s and 80s was too poor to have large scale internal consumption in aerospace sector.
 

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I thought the expansion of Chinese launch frequency had less to do with its economy and more to do with foreign launch orders China started to receive after warming up relations with US. China of 1970s and 80s was too poor to have large scale internal consumption in aerospace sector.
Significant change happened in 1995 when under Bill Clinton, One of the biggest Satellite manufacturer from US gave contract to Chinese and transferred a lot of confidential IPs to them. This lead to a rapid growth in Chinese capabilities that they were able to fly human rated rocket within 10 yr and did first human launch by 2003.
Bill Clinton was the biggest bastard in this regards. He personally led movement of a lot technological capabilities to China in 1990s.
 

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Significant change happened in 1995 when under Bill Clinton, One of the biggest Satellite manufacturer from US gave contract to Chinese and transferred a lot of confidential IPs to them. This lead to a rapid growth in Chinese capabilities that they were able to fly human rated rocket within 10 yr and did first human launch by 2003.
Bill Clinton was the biggest bastard in this regards. He personally led movement of a lot technological capabilities to China in 1990s.
Hughes aerospace I think it was.
 

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Budget constraints I guess since hlv has been in books for arround a decade....
I don't understand why ISRO's HLV max payload is capped to just 7.5Tons, while they are developing new satellites with I-8K bus.

Also I don't understand why our rockets have very high dry mass... just compare Centaur and C-25, Centaur carries 20 tons and C-25 carries 25ton fuel, but dry mass of Centaur is just 2.5tons while C-25 is more than 5 tons (new C-32 stage weighs 7.4 tons). If C-25 had weighed just 3 tons ,then Mk-3 would have had 6tons to GTO payload right now while the upgraded Mk-3 with SCE-200 would have 8tons.
 

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I thought the expansion of Chinese launch frequency had less to do with its economy and more to do with foreign launch orders China started to receive after warming up relations with US. China of 1970s and 80s was too poor to have large scale internal consumption in aerospace sector.
Check again.
Between 1990 and 2006, the highest yearly launch number was 6.
From 2007, the number started to jump from 8.
American already banned usage of Chinese rocket since 1999.
 

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Significant change happened in 1995 when under Bill Clinton, One of the biggest Satellite manufacturer from US gave contract to Chinese and transferred a lot of confidential IPs to them. This lead to a rapid growth in Chinese capabilities that they were able to fly human rated rocket within 10 yr and did first human launch by 2003.
BS.
Chinese human space program was benefited from Russian technologies. Completely different tech root from US.

Bill Clinton was the biggest bastard in this regards. He personally led movement of a lot technological capabilities to China in 1990s.
Another political BS.
The tech transfer happened in 1980s and stopped since 1990. Every time the US satellite came, 8 FBI agents came along and guard it 7x24.
The real contribution by Clinton was allowing Chinese got those profitable commercial contracts which providing the critical funds to Chinese space program who was suffering from the budget cutting at the time.
 

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BS.
Chinese human space program was benefited from Russian technologies. Completely different tech root from US.



Another political BS.
The tech transfer happened in 1980s and stopped since 1990. Every time the US satellite came, 8 FBI agents came along and guard it 7x24.
The real contribution by Clinton was allowing Chinese got those profitable commercial contracts which providing the critical funds to Chinese space program who was suffering from the budget cutting at the time.
Ya ya believe what you want.
I think you are the same person who made fun of the news that VIA process was bought by China and you said it is nothing.
Now see they have fully processor development in house using those VIA nodes.
 

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Check again.
Between 1990 and 2006, the highest yearly launch number was 6.
From 2007, the number started to jump from 8.
American already banned usage of Chinese rocket since 1999.
Obviously China was not sanctioned before 1999 but in fact was tactical partner of US while India was always effectively blocked and embargoed from everything.

Progress made after 2000 was a result of aerospace manufacturing capabilities China had acquired which is not the context here. Indeed China's space program was a joke for 1970s and it greatly improved with Sino-American relations indeed coincided with improved Chinese rockets, more accurate missiles and technologies which made China's manned space program possible.
The real contribution by Clinton was allowing Chinese got those profitable commercial contracts which providing the critical funds to Chinese space program who was suffering from the budget cutting at the time.
I strictly disagree that China's all research projects which shot up in 1990s were suffering just because of budget.

Even if I ignore timeline, human spaceflight, space station & docking, large launch vehicle development and research on extraterrestrial probes are highly capital intensive projects and are delayed in most space agencies just because of funding even today. Revenue earned from commercial launch even today (and China of 1990s is nothing in aerospace market against China of 2020s) are always peanuts in front of money required even for normal operations. That's essentially an absurd argument.

It is possible only if China with it's little unchanged budget in 90s started earning a revenue equivalent to US or Soviet aerospace agencies which is again a stupid thing to believe.

It is technology which limited China earlier which it got later from US. "Commercial projects gave China budget to climb up in research" is just a hard to believe fairy tale.
 
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Ya ya believe what you want.
I think you are the same person who made fun of the news that VIA process was bought by China and you said it is nothing.
Now see they have fully processor development in house using those VIA nodes.
What are you talking about?
 

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Obviously China was not sanctioned before 1999 but in fact was tactical partner of US while India was always effectively blocked and embargoed from everything.
What are you talking about?
This so called tactical partnership already ended after 1989. US has imposed strictly technological ban on China since then. Same ban applied by all her European allies.
The only time India received the similar treatment was the short period after 1998, which was abolished early 2000.

I strictly disagree that China's all research projects which shot up in 1990s were suffering just because of budget.

Even if I ignore timeline, human spaceflight, space station & docking, large launch vehicle development and research on extraterrestrial probes are highly capital intensive projects and are delayed in most space agencies just because of funding even today. Revenue earned
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It is technology which limited China earlier which it got later from US. "Commercial projects gave China budget to climb up in research" is just a hard to believe fairy tale.
You just can't imagine the financial difficulty for every Chinese scientific department during that period of time. At these revenues from commercial were not for R&D but paying the wages so they can keep those scientists, technicians and workers.
Give you an example: in 1992, my mother - a senior researcher in national lab (not in space program), her monthly wage was 300 RMB, around 30 USD. Most of young staffs (70%) quite their jobs within 2 years after graduation, why, their wages barely feed themselves.
 

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What are you talking about?
This so called tactical partnership already ended after 1989. US has imposed strictly technological ban on China since then. Same ban applied by all her European allies.
You can't mistake 1989 symbolism (reaction to Tianammen square) as deterioration of diplomatic allies while Chinese partnership with US & European aerospace companies went very well in 1990s. Problems started arising in late 2000s.
The only time India received the similar treatment was the short period after 1998, which was abolished early 2000.
US actuality backed China in its 1996 nuclear tests while put India under heavy sanctions in 1998. So India was never treated same way as China but rather was always sidelined and stonewalled & blackmailed with sanctions. US never even vocally tried to appease India when China was in its camp.

India had already earned a bad reputation in west during reunification of princely states, was a key ally of Yugoslavia since start, joined further anti-western camp with USSR, got its nuclear scientists assassinated, tried to disintegrate key US ally and faced USN in Indian ocean, tested nuclear weapons and built missiles & rockets against will of P5 members. Warming up of relations only started in mid-90s due to open market and later in late 2000s as China emerged as rival of west.

India just never posed itself hostile enough west or China.
You just can't imagine the financial difficulty for every Chinese scientific department during that period of time. At these revenues from commercial were not for R&D but paying the wages so they can keep those scientists, technicians and workers.
Give you an example: in 1992, my mother - a senior researcher in national lab (not in space program), her monthly wage was 300 RMB, around 30 USD. Most of young staffs (70%) quite their jobs within 2 years after graduation, why, their wages barely feed themselves.
It still cleanly fails to back your argument. I said that profit gained by even biggest commercial launchers is mere peanuts in front of required budget of human spaceflight and extraterrestrial missions and PRC's modern space industry can't bear it alone.

What was the total revenue PRC generated through western launches to back its research programmes in that era?
 

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You can't mistake 1989 symbolism (reaction to Tianammen square) as deterioration of diplomatic allies while Chinese partnership with US & European aerospace companies went very well in 1990s. Problems started arising in late 2000s.

US actuality backed China in its 1996 nuclear tests while put India under heavy sanctions in 1998. So India was never treated same way as China but rather was always sidelined and stonewalled & blackmailed with sanctions. US never even vocally tried to appease India when China was in its camp.

India had already earned a bad reputation in west during reunification of princely states, was a key ally of Yugoslavia since start, joined further anti-western camp with USSR, got its nuclear scientists assassinated, tried to disintegrate key US ally and faced USN in Indian ocean, tested nuclear weapons and built missiles & rockets against will of P5 members. Warming up of relations only started in mid-90s due to open market and later in late 2000s as China emerged as rival of west.

India just never posed itself hostile enough west or China.

It still cleanly fails to back your argument. I said that profit gained by even biggest commercial launchers is mere peanuts in front of required budget of human spaceflight and extraterrestrial missions and PRC's modern space industry can't bear it alone.

What was the total revenue PRC generated through western launches to back its research programmes in that era?
Can I ask Admin to shift the discussion to https://defenceforumindia.com/threads/cnsa-news-updates-and-discussions.76985/page-61#post-2089809
Thread this is non related discussion in isro thread
 

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Is this NOTAM for the end of June and onwards, for the SSLV-D1?

Mid-Pacific NOTAMs announcing Indian launches from June 26:

A0272/22 - DANGEROUS AREA
DUE TO A ROCKET LAUNCH FROM INDIA, SPACE DEBRIS REENTRY IN AN
AREA DEFINED BY THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
26 30 S 135 00 W
27 30 S 135 00 W
29 30 S 139 30 W
28 30 S 139 30 W
26 30 S 135 00 W
-BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REENTRY OF SPACE
DEBRIS, AIRSPACE USERS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID ENTERING
THE AFFECTED AREA. SFC - UNL, 0330-0730, 26 JUN 03:30 2022 UNTIL 14 JUL 07:30
2022. CREATED: 03 JUN 02:50 2022

A0255/22 - DANGEROUS AREA
DUE TO A ROCKET LAUNCH FROM INDIA, SPACE DEBRIS REENTRY IN AN
AREA DEFINED BY THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
1530S13000W 1330S13000W 1200S12000W 0730S09000W 0930S09000W
1400S11200W 1530S13000W
-THIS AREA IMPACTS NO-FIR AS WELL.
-BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REENTRY OF SPACE
DEBRIS, AIRSPACE USERS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID ENTERING
THE AFFECTED AREA. SFC - UNL, JUNE 26 1200-1600 BACK UP DAYS JUNE 27 1200-1600
JULY 25 1200-1600, 26 JUN 12:00 2022 UNTIL 25 JUL 16:00 2022. CREATED: 31 MAY
18:08 2022
 

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Is this NOTAM for the end of June and onwards, for the SSLV-D1?

Mid-Pacific NOTAMs announcing Indian launches from June 26:

A0272/22 - DANGEROUS AREA
DUE TO A ROCKET LAUNCH FROM INDIA, SPACE DEBRIS REENTRY IN AN
AREA DEFINED BY THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
26 30 S 135 00 W
27 30 S 135 00 W
29 30 S 139 30 W
28 30 S 139 30 W
26 30 S 135 00 W
-BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REENTRY OF SPACE
DEBRIS, AIRSPACE USERS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID ENTERING
THE AFFECTED AREA. SFC - UNL, 0330-0730, 26 JUN 03:30 2022 UNTIL 14 JUL 07:30
2022. CREATED: 03 JUN 02:50 2022

A0255/22 - DANGEROUS AREA
DUE TO A ROCKET LAUNCH FROM INDIA, SPACE DEBRIS REENTRY IN AN
AREA DEFINED BY THE FOLLOWING POINTS:
1530S13000W 1330S13000W 1200S12000W 0730S09000W 0930S09000W
1400S11200W 1530S13000W
-THIS AREA IMPACTS NO-FIR AS WELL.
-BECAUSE OF THE HAZARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REENTRY OF SPACE
DEBRIS, AIRSPACE USERS ARE STRONGLY ADVISED TO AVOID ENTERING
THE AFFECTED AREA. SFC - UNL, JUNE 26 1200-1600 BACK UP DAYS JUNE 27 1200-1600
JULY 25 1200-1600, 26 JUN 12:00 2022 UNTIL 25 JUL 16:00 2022. CREATED: 31 MAY
18:08 2022
There are two active notam in June- July time for rocket launch from isro in Pacific it is still unknown that are they covering same path for same launch or different!
 

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