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I foresee Rusia and China out of competition. India will compete with US and EU for their share. US will continue to enjoy an advantage where they still enjoy monopoly such as heavy lift missions etc. ISRO needs more funding to make itself more competitive and venture into new areas.
Russia and China have the kind of space industries which India wishes to build, have cost advantage over west and aren't going to be out of competition in forseeble future. Chinese and to some extent even Indian cost advantages will wear out in next 30 years.

US besides its technological efforts to bring down, isn't having any low cost advantage and is more vulnerable than any eastern power in markets.
 

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Russia and China have the kind of space industries which India wishes to build, have cost advantage over west and aren't going to be out of competition in forseeble future. Chinese and to some extent even Indian cost advantages will wear out in next 30 years.

US besides its technological efforts to bring down, isn't having any low cost advantage and is more vulnerable than any eastern power in markets.
Any basis for these assumptions?
 

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Russia and China have the kind of space industries which India wishes to build, have cost advantage over west and aren't going to be out of competition in forseeble future. Chinese and to some extent even Indian cost advantages will wear out in next 30 years.

US besides its technological efforts to bring down, isn't having any low cost advantage and is more vulnerable than any eastern power in markets.
Private players in US are actually in market on basis of cost advantage. You just cant believe how much SpaceX lowered costs and they are still working on lowering the costs. We have been saying this that ISRO will kill big payers, we will capture all the small satellite launch market but we are still nowhere to be seen and the over enthusiasm of us Indian in seeing no limits.
SpaceX is individually keeping US ahead in launch per year lists.
Even Rocket Labs will kick our ass and few more entry level companies have started testing their small sat launchers already. We can just dream about having market to us with the pace ISRO is currently working.
 
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Private players in US are actually in market on basis of cost advantage.
Read again what I wrote. They are there because of technological efforts to bring down cost and don't enjoy the factor one from labour costs which is a head start for companies from relatively lower income spacefaring nations before they incorporate optimum tech.
 

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Read again what I wrote. They are there because of technological efforts to bring down cost and don't enjoy the factor one from labour costs which is a head start for companies from relatively lower income spacefaring nations before they incorporate optimum tech.
Yes, labor cost are higher there but still they are managing cost comparable to us plus look at their 10 yr plans, they will be building launchers to launch far higher of sats in space than us. SpaceX is already launching 60 starlink sat in cluster in Falcon 9, they recently broke ISRO records of launching highest no of sat in one mission. They can repurpose Falcon 9 fairing to include only small or nano sat and there goes our ISRO's lower labor cost advantages.

Look into what has already happened in space sector in Indian and rest of the world till now and what are the actual plans for next 10 years and what the companies are doing to actually realize these plans.
 

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Incomes and labour costs, gradual transition into upper middle and eventually high income countries.
This is generally true with low tech items but countries with Lower labor cost and skills in Space technology should emerge by that time. I foresee few countries with lower labor cost but I do not foresee those countries emerging as space power who can provide space services at a lower cost. That is why I see India leading in High tech technology sectors with cost advantage for a long long time.
 

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Yes, labor cost are higher there but still they are managing cost comparable to us plus look at their 10 yr plans, they will be building launchers to launch far higher of sats in space than us. SpaceX is already launching 60 starlink sat in cluster in Falcon 9, they recently broke ISRO records of launching highest no of sat in one mission. They can repurpose Falcon 9 fairing to include only small or nano sat and there goes our ISRO's lower labor cost advantages.

Look into what has already happened in space sector in Indian and rest of the world till now and what are the actual plans for next 10 years and what the companies are doing to actually realize these plans.
They have gain cost advantage from reusable rocket stages. ISRO too is working on the same.
 
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Yes, labor cost are higher there but still they are managing cost comparable to us plus look at their 10 yr plans, they will be building launchers to launch far higher of sats in space than us. SpaceX is already launching 60 starlink sat in cluster in Falcon 9, they recently broke ISRO records of launching highest no of sat in one mission. They can repurpose Falcon 9 fairing to include only small or nano sat and there goes our ISRO's lower labor cost advantages.
What I said remains.
which is a head start for companies from relatively lower income spacefaring nations before they incorporate optimum tech.
Their advantage is going to accumulate since they won't catch US & EU per capita income levels at least in this half of century.
This is generally true with low tech items but countries with Lower labor cost and skills in Space technology should emerge by that time. I foresee few countries with lower labor cost but I do not foresee those countries emerging as space power who can provide space services at a lower cost. That is why I see India leading in High tech technology sectors with cost advantage for a long long time.
Yup, there will be very few yet even if cost advantage of current vendors deteriorates. Not so many countries have eco system or technological knowhow for a reasonable aerospace sector. And since this tech is strategic in nature, not so many countries will get it from their "master" nations.
 

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Yes, labor cost are higher there but still they are managing cost comparable to us plus look at their 10 yr plans, they will be building launchers to launch far higher of sats in space than us. SpaceX is already launching 60 starlink sat in cluster in Falcon 9, they recently broke ISRO records of launching highest no of sat in one mission. They can repurpose Falcon 9 fairing to include only small or nano sat and there goes our ISRO's lower labor cost advantages.

Look into what has already happened in space sector in Indian and rest of the world till now and what are the actual plans for next 10 years and what the companies are doing to actually realize these plans.
Even the ISRO's semi-cryogenic engine is no where near completion that we could cluster and increase payload capacity
 

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Certification would take time and then integration
The last news we heard was in 2k19 when it had to goto Ukraine for testing
Yeah, so it means engine is ready. And there is a feeling that isro or goi dont want to work heavy payloads vehicles, atleast for another 5/6 years.
 

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Even the ISRO's semi-cryogenic engine is no where near completion that we could cluster and increase payload capacity
I am hearing this for over a decade now that ISRO is already working on this technology or that technology but the technology never comes online! by the time ISRO comes up with anything substantial, some player in global market have already dominated the place.
 

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40 years is long time to be matured in terms of process & execution.
Once we considered isro as best performing asset of government , then came drdo of 2020.

Isro need reforms , launch should be frequent and project should be completed in time , they are deploying all their energy in gaganyaan , whereas we should focus more on reusable launch vehicle ,earn some profit and invest in rnd more
 

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