ISRO General News and Updates

[SKC]

Govt seems to be so much intrested in Socialist programs that they put Science and Technology in back.
The Supercomputing Program launched way back in 2015-16 is going with snail pace.
ISRO seems to be getting screwed.
They are already late in Semiconductor front.
How are they planning to get masses of people out of poverty into middle class with success of these fields?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Seriously people, I mean.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Seriously people, I mean.

Once these used to be the comments about DRDO, and ISRO used to be praised to high heavens. Now its the reverse. People really are fickle minded.

 

[SKC]

Once these used to be the comments about DRDO, and ISRO used to be praised to high heavens. Now its the reverse. People really are fickle minded.

Not fickle minded but reacting to what the conditions are. DRDO moved up the ladder and ISRO is struggling.
If ISRO bounce back strongly then again we will all praise ISRO again.

Do you want people to sing songs and praise ISRO day n night without the results?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

but reacting to what the conditions are.

Would you care to apprise us of what conditions are?

DRDO moved up the ladder and ISRO is struggling

Lol

Do you want people to sing songs and praise ISRO day n night without the results

No, we are up here for technical discussion and general news & updates rather than fanboy level "praise" and "criticism". Stritcly clueless praise and criticism of DFI fanboys is the thing which makes least difference to future of DRDO, ISRO and India.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Not fickle minded but reacting to what the conditions are. DRDO moved up the ladder and ISRO is struggling.
If ISRO bounce back strongly then again we will all praise ISRO again.

Do you want people to sing songs and praise ISRO day n night without the results?

No. But I expect people to be realists and try to look at the real challenges each organization is facing. Four-five years down the line, we might have a successful Gaganyaan mission and a new engine and rockets based around it rapidly coming online, while at the same time, there will be successful demonstrations of vertical take-off and landing through VTVL, methalox engine development will also enter next stage. At that point, everyone will be singing praises of ISRO.
But they don't want to do it now, when they are struggling with starting a new vertical (Gaganyaan) and also Covid-related delays. Despite the fact that work on all the projects I mentioned above continues. And their only barometer for this is "dropping launch frequency". People are not taking a holistic view of things.

 

[SKC]

No. But I expect people to be realists and try to look at the real challenges each organization is facing. Four-five years down the line, we might have a successful Gaganyaan mission and a new engine and rockets based around it rapidly coming online, while at the same time, there will be successful demonstrations of vertical take-off and landing through VTVL, methalox engine development will also enter next stage. At that point, everyone will be singing praises of ISRO.
But they don't want to do it now, when they are struggling with starting a new vertical (Gaganyaan) and also Covid-related delays. Despite the fact that work on all the projects I mentioned above continues. And their only barometer for this is "dropping launch frequency". People are not taking a holistic view of things.

We are realist only. We can see the drop in the launch scheduled. No explanations from the bosses.

Few pages back I was myself telling people that the delays were expected due to Covid and telling them its no doomsday scenario.
But Month after month things are same when other countries have picked up even to higher launch rate before Covid.
We are not doing something which US, EU, China, Russia has not done, they have run multiple project simultaneously and successfully. But it is always ISRO which has issues running multiple projects together.

 

[SKC]

Would you care to apprise us of what conditions are?

Lol

No, we are up here for technical discussion and general news & updates rather than fanboy level "praise" and "criticism". Stritcly clueless praise and criticism of DFI fanboys is the thing which makes least difference to future of DRDO, ISRO and India.

Everything is being discussed here regarding delays to reduced launch rates to problems with different projects.
You end every conversation claiming we are showing Fanboyism but it is you who do this fan boy arguments always and it makes it almost impossible to have any discussion with you.
There are post from you which i have liked and there are posts by which you have liked. But discussion is something you don't like and threaten to ban people immediately.
I end my rant here, cant argue with you anymore.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

We are realist only. We can see the drop in the launch scheduled. No explanations from the bosses.

Few pages back I was myself telling people that the delays were expected due to Covid and telling them its no doomsday scenario.
But Month after month things are same when other countries have picked up even to higher launch rate before Covid.
We are not doing something which US, EU, China, Russia has not done, they have run multiple project simultaneously and successfully. But it is always ISRO which has issues running multiple projects together.

Rant warning

Its not just due to Covid. The launch schedule was delayed to a certain extent even before Covid. There are upgrades to FLP, upgrades pending for SLP, new infrastructure was built (SVAB, etc), Third Launch Pad is pending. Rocket manufacturing through private sector is being increased in a graded manner. And on top of all this, Modi dropped a deadline on them for the Gaganyaan mission and Chandrayaan mission fails. Everyone said at that point it was only realistic to expect delays, but when there are delays now, everyone has a surprised Pikachu face?
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And then start the comparisons. With China, with USA, etc. Tell me something, have you ever studied their organizations in detail? Can you point out the specifics of WHY China and USA have managed to "bounce back" from the pandemic slowdown of launches while ISRO has failed. I am talking about specifics. Its easy to do surface level comparisons, but nobody gets deeper than that. Give me one valid way of improvement that you have learnt from the example of USA or China that will improve ISRO. Talk about that. Not some one liner comparison of "launch rates between USA, China and India". This is an apples to oranges comparison, so kindly break it down further and look at the components that make this sum.

 

[SKC]

Rant warning

Its not just due to Covid. The launch schedule was delayed to a certain extent even before Covid. There are upgrades to FLP, upgrades pending for SLP, new infrastructure was built (SVAB, etc), Third Launch Pad is pending. Rocket manufacturing through private sector is being increased in a graded manner. And on top of all this, Modi dropped a deadline on them for the Gaganyaan mission and Chandrayaan mission fails. Everyone said at that point it was only realistic to expect delays, but when there are delays now, everyone has a surprised Pikachu face?
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And then start the comparisons. With China, with USA, etc. Tell me something, have you ever studied their organizations in detail? Can you point out the specifics of WHY China and USA have managed to "bounce back" from the pandemic slowdown of launches while ISRO has failed. I am talking about specifics. Its easy to do surface level comparisons, but nobody gets deeper than that. Give me one valid way of improvement that you have learnt from the example of USA or China that will improve ISRO. Talk about that. Not some one liner comparison of "launch rates between USA, China and India". This is an apples to oranges comparison, so kindly break it down further and look at the components that make this sum.

Remain happy and satisfied with the current performance of the ISRO then.
10 yrs from now also it will be same state and you will be pointing out : See we are not US and China dont compare with them.
You are talking about upgrades of existing FLP, SLP like these upgrades are not done by other players in the market.
Third launch pad is in construction for how many years and how many more years is it going to take?
Delays every is talking about since last many pages here and i was putting facts in favor myself. But it is getting more and more with each passing month.
Now a launch is expected by end of this month lets hope for the best. By end of the year might be more tests for Gaganyaan project.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Remain happy and satisfied with the current performance of the ISRO then.
10 yrs from now also it will be same state and you will be pointing out : See we are not US and China dont compare with them.
You are talking about upgrades of existing FLP, SLP like these upgrades are not done by other players in the market.
Third launch pad is in construction for hoe many years and how many more years is it going to take?
Delays every is talking about since last many pages here and i was putting facts in favor myself. But it is getting more and more with each passing month.
Now a launch is expected by end of this month lets hope for the best. By end of the year might be more tests for Gaganyaan project.

You are still not getting into the specifics, huh? Alright, let me then ask you a question:-
When Modi announced Gaganyaan in August 2018, Third Launch Pad was supposed to be set up in SDSC. ISRO said since FLP and SLP are full, TLP will be used for Gaganyaan.
Right now, they are having to make do without TLP and as a result, upgrades for Gaganyaan are being made in the SLP.
Why did this delay happen and how is this ISRO's fault?

 

[TopWatcher]

Remain happy and satisfied with the current performance of the ISRO then.
10 yrs from now also it will be same state and you will be pointing out : See we are not US and China dont compare with them.
You are talking about upgrades of existing FLP, SLP like these upgrades are not done by other players in the market.
Third launch pad is in construction for hoe many years and how many more years is it going to take?
Delays every is talking about since last many pages here and i was putting facts in favor myself. But it is getting more and more with each passing month.
Now a launch is expected by end of this month lets hope for the best. By end of the year might be more tests for Gaganyaan project.

I don't think anything will really going to change. After 20-30 years also we say something.

Issue is govt has no object oriented policy. Policy changes as time goes.

Ok USE & China good in supply chain, then who will fix this in ISRO. Itself ISRO right ?

So dont say look at real problem. ISRO not able to delivered things thats the answer.

 

[SKC]

You are still not getting into the specifics, huh? Alright, let me then ask you a question:-
When Modi announced Gaganyaan in August 2018, Third Launch Pad was supposed to be set up in SDSC. ISRO said since FLP and SLP are full, TLP will be used for Gaganyaan.
Right now, they are having to make do without TLP and as a result, upgrades for Gaganyaan are being made in the SLP.
Why did this delay happen and how is this ISRO's fault?

What is this specific ?
You are talking specifically only and when someone replies you run behind the shallow arguments.

Is ISRO not the agency doing the upgrades and building the launchpad? If the launch pad is not ready even in 4 yrs then mere chachaji responsible honge?

 

[TopWatcher]

You are still not getting into the specifics, huh? Alright, let me then ask you a question:-
When Modi announced Gaganyaan in August 2018, Third Launch Pad was supposed to be set up in SDSC. ISRO said since FLP and SLP are full, TLP will be used for Gaganyaan.
Right now, they are having to make do without TLP and as a result, upgrades for Gaganyaan are being made in the SLP.
Why did this delay happen and how is this ISRO's fault?

Yes its ISRO fault. After all ISRO need to be responsible for. It means Modi govt not supporting science & technology. WHich is not good sign

 

[SKC]

I don't think anything will really going to change. After 20-30 years also we say something.

Issue is govt has no object oriented policy. Policy changes as time goes.

Ok USE & China good in supply chain, then who will fix this in ISRO. Itself ISRO right ?

So dont say look at real problem. ISRO not able to delivered things thats the answer.

Exactly, but these fan boys ont understand or dont want to understand. they keep on giving tag of fanboy to whoever question them and run behinds arguments.

A decade back were talking about having 10-12 launches a year ad decade after we are barely doing even 4-5. A decade from now we will be stuck with 6-7 or max 8 launches and these will be stuck in chest thumping claiming We are not same as US and China and dont compare.

 

[TopWatcher]

I think no need to go into loop of arguments. Its realistic now that ISRO not delivering things now.

May be another govt things change

 

[Vamsi]

I think no need to go into loop of arguments. Its realistic now that ISRO not delivering things now.

May be another govt things change

Guys, hold on, just because you don't see any launches,that doesn't mean ISRO scientists and engineers are sitting idle. Read the annual report 2021-22, u will see the progress made by them.In coming months u will surely see the results. Next month they are going test IAD using a sounding rocket,probably SSLV too. @Indx TechStyle I think there is another different NOTAM, it looks like that of SSLV, can you find that??

 

[karn]

What is this specific ?
You are talking specifically only and when someone replies you run behind the shallow arguments.

Is ISRO not the agency doing the upgrades and building the launchpad? If the launch pad is not ready even in 4 yrs then mere chachaji responsible honge?

Lol he is making shallow arguments ? while you are giving no arguments beyond the RR .

 

[SKC]

Lol he is making shallow arguments ? while you are giving no arguments beyond the RR .

Han dusre ke argument to RR hi lagte hain.
For every point they run back to 'please put the specifics', 'it was expected delay', 'don't compare with US and china', 'nothing is wrong, ISRO is the best'

 

[karn]

Han dusre ke argument to RR hi lagte hain.
For every point they run back to 'please put the specifics', 'it was expected delay', 'don't compare with US and china', 'nothing is wrong, ISRO is the best'

What was your argument again ?