Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

[Sikhbrah]

Israel cabinet has agreed to ceasefire proposal - I don’t see how this can be a win for Israel.

They are giving time for Hamas to re-group and exchanging Palestinian terrorist/attempted murders for Israel civilians - with 190 hostages remaining in Hamas hands.

 

[kittoo420]

Israel cabinet has agreed to ceasefire proposal - I don’t see how this can be a win for Israel.

They are giving time for Hamas to re-group and exchanging Palestinian terrorist/attempted murders for Israel civilians - with 190 hostages remaining in Hamas hands.

50 children coming home is a big thing that probably swayed Israeli decision makers, along with easing of some international pressure. I am sure US also nudged Israel to agree to this.
It's a tough one. 4 days isn't a huge amount of time and it's not like Israelis are pulling out or anything. At the same time of course it gives Hamas some time to think and regroup.

We will see what happens after 4 days, but I personally don't think it's an entirely bad from Israel's point of view either. 50 children being returned from those barbarians is something I see as being worth it (maybe me becoming a recent parent has made me soft about these things).

 

[Love Charger]

@Sikhbrah ji , the damage tik tok has done to west is incomprehensible.
These tick tok shorts are mostly posted on YouTube, there was this shot about Japs considering converting to Islam before WW1 , because islam " was so widely followed in Asia , awwww".
Then video claims that after WW1 western nations started to control Japan , and they didn't convert.
You tell me , ever heard of this ridiculous amount of bullshit?
The japnese society was a Highly militarised Shinto - Buddhist society , becoming more and more radical with each passing day.
Eastern religions had only one equivalent to Islamic fanaticism ,that was Japanese fanaticism.
The showa restoration, was a coup by some officer's of IJA which ended in murder of their pm and elevated the emperor to a real literal god almost.
And according to that video , Japan considered conversion to Islam.
But the point is people in the west will not know the truth , na because they get their history from tiktok.

 

[Psacha1234]

This arab journalist clearly spells out the stance of arab countries like Saudi/UAE/Bahrain etc and schools the west.

 

[ezsasa]

This arab journalist clearly spells out the stance of arab countries like Saudi/UAE/Bahrain etc and schools the west.

it's not like leadership in U.S and britain are not aware of this, they are keenly aware of their domestic politics influencing their foreign policy, there are debates on this as well in their capitals. there has been a lot of academic literature on this topic as well.

they have not been able to find the right formula and balance domestically, and with the kind of people that are getting elected and selected for high positions in their countries, status quo will continue on this aspect of foreign policy.

 

[Bleh]

Israel hasn't been able to simple fill the tunnels with concrete fluorine mixed sea-water & kill everyone inside because the hostages are still in there... Getting them out is a priority

 

[RocketMan]

Continuation of Abraham accords & peace btw Israel & Arab monarchies along with covert ops against Iran & it's proxies could be the optimal option that might yield credible dividends in the future. Also IMEC should be fast tracked & rogue jihadi regimes should be penalized from any economic incentive.

 

[kittoo420]

Man, if I see one silver lining out of all this (I mean recent events in middle-east in general), is simply how much for the better Saudi and allied nations have changed there. Normalizing relations with Israel, slowly weaning away from kattar Islam, refusing to stop normalization process despite immense pressure, becoming freer as a society and frankly speaking about terrorism. Bravo!
If you had told this to me a few years back I wouldn't have believed you at all! At this point even Turkey seems more extremist than UAE or Saudi. If the custodians of Islam reform, maybe we can one day see hope for the zombie variety we have in our midst.

 

[Atavistic]

Took them 15 yrs. Were they "benefitting" from 26/11 just like they were from 9/11 ?.

 

[ezsasa]

Took them 15 yrs. Were they "benefitting" from 26/11 just like they were from 9/11 ?.

Israeli ambassador is lobbying for Hamas be declared a terrorist org. in India.

 

[Atavistic]

Israeli ambassador is lobbying for Hamas be declared a terrorist org. in India.

Yeah after so many yrs. We know who created Hamas and for what. Since it has became a useless asset its time to clear it off.

 

[ezsasa]

Yeah after so many yrs. We know who created Hamas and for what. Since it has became a useless asset its time to clear it off.

presuming the supposed funding of hamas by israel in their initial days is being referred to here, as far as i know this story has only one source a former israeli governor of gaza in 80's.

fatah , PLO used to be far more dangerous for the region than hamas are today.

be it taliban, al-qaeda, LTTE, khalistan , this sort of thing in their formative years is a common theme.

 

[Sarjen]

Nice.. Son of Hamas founder gave the speech at UN yesterday..

 

[ovalpiston]

We are forgetting a key point , the first 72 hrs after the Oct 7 massacre was one of utter confusion, Israel did not have the complete picture of hostages, if they were killed or missing inside Israel or were taken by Hamas. And the IDF ground invasion did not start until end of October, which would have given Hamas enough time to scatter hostages or even possibly move them across the Gaza port or Raffah to a foreign country (read Iran or Yemen).

Israel is also handicapped because they expect two more fronts, one on the north with Lebanon and another possible front with Syria, so they couldn't simultaneously pincer from south and north of Gaza. Under all these circumstances it makes sense to do whatever is necessary to get atleast some of the hostages. It is not ideal but it is what it is.

 

[Atavistic]

presuming the supposed funding of hamas by israel in their initial days is being referred to here, as far as i know this story has only one source a former israeli governor of gaza in 80's.

fatah , PLO used to be far more dangerous for the region than hamas are today.

be it taliban, al-qaeda, LTTE, khalistan , this sort of thing in their formative years is a common theme.

Not just the governor even Yasser Arafat has said the same, and many CIA officers have reiterated it in interviews. The Russians have given proofs of it. Will share if I get that thread.

 

[ezsasa]

Not just the governor even Yasser Arafat has said the same, and many CIA officers have reiterated it in interviews. The Russians have given proofs of it. Will share if I get that thread.

sure.

by extension, what was the narrative that came along with this bit of information, from where ever you have received this info on SM?

that Israel deserved it, deserved to be attacked by hamas?

 

[bhramos]

 

[Trial By Fire]

sure.

by extension, what was the narrative that came along with this bit of information, from where ever you have received this info on SM?

that Israel deserved it, deserved to be attacked by hamas?

It's not a question of "deserving or not deserving", it directly goes into playstupidgameswinstupidprizes.jpg

Israhell is the first to sound the trumpet on Islamic Jihad when they're the ones under its assault. At other times, they're quite happy in supplying and helping literal ISIS and Al-Qaeda jihadists in Syria just to depose Assad. You release snakes in other people's houses, don't expect a huge guff from others when you yourselves get poisoned with the venom.

 

[Marliii]

Why the fuck did this remind me of commander Graves of shadow company in reboot modern warfare series

 

[ezsasa]

It's not a question of "deserving or not deserving", it directly goes into playstupidgameswinstupidprizes.jpg

Israhell is the first to sound the trumpet on Islamic Jihad when they're the ones under its assault. At other times, they're quite happy in supplying and helping literal ISIS and Al-Qaeda jihadists in Syria just to depose Assad. You release snakes in other people's houses, don't expect a huge guff from others when you yourselves get poisoned with the venom.

in propaganda wars, with enough push on an eager mind ,anything reason could be made to sound legit.

here my interest is not Israel per say, just that a "terror organisation" should not have the capacity to sack a nation state and get away with it.

let's say, some terror incident happens in Bharat, similar logic is propagated outside of the country, reason supplied to arrive at the similar conclusion PSGWSP, justification supplied could range from "they were too many of them", "with their caste system this was bound to happen", "with their treatment of minorities and human rights violations this was bound to happen" and also the famous ones that are already in circulation etc etc.

what would your response be?