Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

Tshering22

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We keep overestimating Mossad and keep equating its current state to Pre 2010 era. There is no evidence that it is still the potent force it used to be.
Goof-ups happen. They also happened with the CIA which has arguably the most resources over any other intelligence agency in the world. That does not mean that agencies do not change.

Indians here forget that Israel was forged from the motto of Jews never ever being hunted down again. Their literal survival is based on the existence of Israel. That means any mistakes by Mossad would be studied and rectified as a top priority.

Israel has a deep state system that we often lament not having in India. This is one of the most ruthlessly efficient systems that cushion their seemingly chaotic democracy. There are established and clear lines that Israeli politicians won't dare cross, lest they end up like their former PM, the late Itzhak Rabin.

Elimination of Israel would equate to extermination of Jews and if you think that such an extreme situation would be allowed to happen just because Muslims are feeling their usually violent self, you are mistaken. While we joke about a Samson Option being nothing more than a myth, a dying civilization that is being hunted down has nothing to lose by unleashing all its nukes against Islamic countries worldwide.

No one would want to push Israel into that siege mode.
 

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Israel supports India in kashmir & supplied ammo for emergency use in war(ofcourse for money).

Palastinian supports pakistan in kashmir issue.

ps- we should stick to monkey balancing "words" only.
It's mostly to appease the arab world to keep oil and gas flowing.
We really are not in any position to anger them.
 

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Defence tech will bring a lot of derivative technologies to Indian companies which will then be able to export them and generate wealth. This can only be fueled with supply guarantees from oil and gas producers of some sort, and they have to be specifically non-green. Venezuela, Russia, Vietnam, Brazil and even new found reserves like those in Uganda... these countries need to be courted and locked down for close partnership. Any non-green country that has tonnes of oil needs to be on our radar.

India has a significant critical mass that in the worst of circumstances if we theoretically went on with full saffron fury, we can easily sustain our consumption within and exporting to non-green countries.

Remember, India withdrawing or blocking food to Islamic countries in retaliation for any major threats against us, would cause unprecedented devastation across these oil kingdoms overnight. Sure, there are Indians living there who will then have to make the decision to come back, especially the non-Muslim ones (as the others would be used as a human bomb tactic the way Turkey uses illegal immigrants as weapons - this is the worst, worst case scenario I am telling).

We can cause mass starvation on a theoretical scale that could see millions of greens wiped out or at least enough mayhem to topple their current rulers for someone who'd have a more conciliatory approach.

You underestimate India's ability to cause mayhem and mass depopulation without firing a single bullet.
Military power of whole Arab world + middle east mullah nations is less than Pakistan even. Let us not go by fancy equipments but by their ability to fight. We should be ready to give a crushing defeat to whole Islamic world when time comes. Though this is a fantasy but who knows, things could just detieorate from rosie scenario to doomsday with mullah empire within a year.
 

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Goof-ups happen. They also happened with the CIA which has arguably the most resources over any other intelligence agency in the world. That does not mean that agencies do not change.
Indeed, mistakes happen, but the one by Israel is of biblical proportions. There wasn't anything very sophisticated about the Hamas attack, yet they managed to breach Israeli defenses and inflict heavy casualties on Israeli civilians.

What's even more disturbing is the fact that Hamas successfully planned, organized, and executed such a large-scale attack involving a significant number of people while located in the tiny hamlet of Gaza Strip, all without Israelis even getting a hint of it.

I read somewhere that Israelis have become too reliant on technology, neglecting the human intelligence that was once the hallmark of Mossad in the '70s. Additionally, the quality of Israeli soldiers has deteriorated over the years. Nowadays, non-professional soldiers and conscripts make up the bulk of their army, with the latter more focused on creating TikTok videos than on their military duties.
 

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a couple of weeks have passed since these sequence of events have been triggered by hamas's sacking of israel's border areas, a lot of opinions and analysis has come out on sm and msm. opinions/statements from and on israel are abundant, where as from/on hamas it is limited.

has anyone figured out why hamas started this in the first place?

at regional level, consensus seems to be Israel-saudi ties. but at hamas organisational level, they must be having their own compulsions like finances, waning clout, anticipating irrelevance etc. the question is what could they be, based on available info?
 

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Bro, I see things from a perceptive which is primarily ideal for us Dharmics (Hindus/Sikhs/Jain/Boddh) BUT at the same time Xian/Jews should stay strong also. They have all the brains, $$$ and brawn to annihilate these zombies. In simple they should contain these mosquito while we grow slowly. If the WESTERN fort is taken down by zoombies then there is no one to help Dharmics specially when we don't have warriors left and dependent on weapons. Our right wing is just a barking dog, Hindus have no street power and we are 20 years away from having a sound assembly line of our own for weapons.

British gave us long lasting wounds but it may not be the only good reason to see them getting banged and lose power. From all over EU there is just 1 nation which is showing some guts ie. France. Germs are the worst who accepted Rapefugees and forcing others to accept it also.

Abhramics are basically all the same and used violence and force to convert. But at the same time only they can handle muslims effectively. I have some sympathy towards Jews since they are not so keen in conversion and friendly towards India. Oh and yes China also know how to "educate" muslims by brute force and Umma can't even utter a single word. Israel should now rethink their support to China and Azerbaijan.



Rakt Beej! This is what I said exactly.

btw Israel might be saying "Oh our aim is to just finish HAMAS" overtly but they might have a covert plan also. The plan might be to strike the one who is fueling this war ie. IRAN! IRAN is also supporting Ukr-Rus war.

There might be a long term plan to punish IRAN as it's SHIA Supremacy/Terrorism is growing day by day leaving Saudi(Sunni's) uncomfortable. Right now Arab nations might sound to be united against JEWS but these SHIA-SUNNI hate each other so bad. One of the objective of HAMAS/IRAN is to stop any Israel-Arab(SUNNI) alliance of any kind.
Israel Palestine conflict is reminiscent of age old conflict between civilisations and barbarians.
 

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Hamas is just the puppet.

The Puppeteer is sitting somewhere else.
yes, and being a puppet which is also a quasi-govt, info regarding hamas is a blind spot.
there is a lot of analysis/opinions on israel because israel releases a lot of information, not the case with hamas.
 

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If the WESTERN fort is taken down by zoombies then there is no one to help Dharmics specially when we don't have warriors left and dependent on weapons. Our right wing is just a barking dog, Hindus have no street power and we are 20 years away from having a sound assembly line of our own for weapons.
I'll clear things up for you

>Goora is not Christian, nor is the West a "fort" to hold back the green tide, and neither do they have a right wing with "bite", Right wing parties there are headed by whorish, 50 year old women
>W*stoids will never help us, all the more sic the greens onto us even if they are drowning in ola hu uber at home
>Only Christians who still have edge are 3rd world ones, think Africans, Latin Americans, the slit eyed tribes found in our NE and in Burma, useless for the purposes of Bharat.
>If you mean "street power" in terms of combatting a riot then yes, hondus have this kind of capability, each time the greens start something up they do get a befitting reply even if it's late
>If you mean "street power" in terms of coming in fuck huge mobs for some "protests" and then riot then no, nobody to organize such huge numbers or provide media cover-fire

Only thing i agree with you is domestic weapons production, idk kya hua about the AK203 plant in Amethi also dunno about any other small arms the govt manufactures.


Don't undersell people here, don't oversell some pansy goras living in Goorope or these Israelis who shit themselves at the thought of some hostages or dead bodies generated from war.
 

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Help me understand this - what happens if Mossad goes on a hunting spree in Qatar?

It's not difficult for them to upend a oil kingdom.
Assuming their Agints don't get caught, found out etc and it remains limited to polonium tea, unknown gunmen etc.

Kuch nahi hoga, Qutter worms are only insured from conventional war by Uncle Sam's bases, to combat cloak and dagger intelligence agency assassinations you need to have your own cloak and dagger intelligence agency, don't think they have such a thing so..

btw this is just limited to them taking out the Hummus, not going for the Qutter royal dynasty etc, that is too escalatory since even though nobody will have evidence, everyone will know (((who))) is behind it all.
 

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