Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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That is what was one of the causes that led to Hamas overwhelming Israeli defenses.. and killing more than a 1000 jews..

Unless you kill or expel the Palestian population in West bank, these settlers grabbing more and more land in the west bank, although creates facts on the ground, requires more and more Israeli troops to protect these right wing jewish yahoos from Muslim attacks.. Netanyahu took away many Israel Army units away from Gaza, to protect his favorite settlers, and ended up being bu** f**ked by Hamas in return..

Israel has a choice.. Annex West bank and Gaza.. and make every Palestinian an Israeli citizen.. a one state solution.. but that would mean a non Jewish Israel.. not possible..

Continue with the current siege of Gaza and West bank palestian communities.. take up more and more of their lands, and hope Palestians don't make a noise.. This is provingly increasingly difficult..

Kill or expel all Palestians from Gaza and West bank.. Israel likes this solution.. but almost impossible to implement..
A one state policy would be self defeating in many ways.

Gaining access to more territory wouldn't mean a total end to attacks.

The most basic being - Who/where will Israel drop bombs if Hamas or Hezbollah go on the rampage and kill 2000 Jews next?

Israel cannot commit so many full time troops to police the entire state of Israel, Gaza and West Bank. You still have largely Jewish settlements with a sparse sprinkling of Arab muslims. Would be difficult to keep them from intermingling under a facade of peace before they go bonkers one fine day.

There are only temporary arrangements/agreements between the Muslim and the Kufr.

Everlasting peace between the two is a mirage onlee.
 
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Good article on US’s game plan.

“President Biden is taking a dual-track approach to the Gaza crisis — standing staunchly beside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in public while trying to hold him back in private.

The big picture: The U.S. supports Israel but doesn't want to get drawn into another large or protracted military operation in the Middle East. Threading that needle is the Biden administration's biggest challenge right now.”

 

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Good article on US’s game plan.

“President Biden is taking a dual-track approach to the Gaza crisis — standing staunchly beside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in public while trying to hold him back in private.

The big picture: The U.S. supports Israel but doesn't want to get drawn into another large or protracted military operation in the Middle East. Threading that needle is the Biden administration's biggest challenge right now.”

This is the problem with US dependence , US is not a trusted ally
Europe learned the hard lesson with ongoing Ukraine war and now Israel is learning that lesson
Biden position is not good , he will never want a war as this would increase inflation
But Netanyahoo is a done deal . He has fucked up badly .. He now do not have guts even to launch invasion without US approval
 

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Good article on US’s game plan.

“President Biden is taking a dual-track approach to the Gaza crisis — standing staunchly beside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in public while trying to hold him back in private.

The big picture: The U.S. supports Israel but doesn't want to get drawn into another large or protracted military operation in the Middle East. Threading that needle is the Biden administration's biggest challenge right now.”

Only way the jooz can "win" is by taking over Gaza and doing an ethnic cleansing so very few of the original 2.3 million remain, ofc the best way to do this is continuing bombing.

The Hummus win condition is just surviving this without them or their "civilian" supporters being ethnic cleansed from Gaza strip, which is much easier to achieve with a ceasefire and has happened many times in the past, current Iranian "win" condition is achieved which is scuttling Saudi-Israeli normalization already and will be for the forseeable future.

Irrespective of ground invasion or no, Bibi loses and the Right Wing loses public support also, I think this fuck up will lead to Leftie polticians coming to power, just as planned for Globohomos.

If the Americunts are holding the Jooz back they are doing this mainly because they want to "Complete the Unfinished Agenda of Ukraine" and not get bogged down in an unplanned war in the ME, forcing them to de-focus from China and Russia.

Biggest loser in such a case is IDF/Israel and their prestige and the image of invincibility, both for domestic and foreign audiences.
Also will set a precedent for Hamas to redo such attacks in the future.
 

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This is the problem with US dependence , US is not a trusted ally
Europe learned the hard lesson with ongoing Ukraine war and now Israel is learning that lesson
Biden position is not good , he will never want a war as this would increase inflation
But Netanyahoo is a done deal . He has fucked up badly .. He now do not have guts even to launch invasion without US approval
His political career is over, and so is the time of the right wing being in power in Israel.
Irrespective of ground invasion, cucking out via a ceasefire or ground invasion casualties, victory or loss.

It's like Churchill winning WW2 for Anglos but being given the boot in the elections afterward, I doubt anyway Netanyahu can spin this as a win.
 

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This is the problem with US dependence , US is not a trusted ally
Europe learned the hard lesson with ongoing Ukraine war and now Israel is learning that lesson
Biden position is not good , he will never want a war as this would increase inflation
But Netanyahoo is a done deal . He has fucked up badly .. He now do not have guts even to launch invasion without US approval
Here is how it goes on this forum....pimps and simps got all excited how carriers moved and b52 landed and ejaculated about US power and so on....now that fentanyl high has come down.

US isn't going to win Ukraine and only loss waits for west there....this is even more definite than Israel. No reason why Isreal needs to rush this, only idiots rush, they have a good plan to stop this pop coming into Israel and create buffer and kill hezbollah....alll good goals but no need to rush. US or west is one war away from getting their nuts chopped and throwing nukes....sooner they turn green the better for rest of world to fig out a way to defend from zombies and remove those western concepts of human rights and so on used as a trick

US can't afford an optional war, it simply has no capital of any kind anymore other than waning current empire that may win few battles but not the war. Classic empire degradation from internal forces.
 

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Muslims going bonkers in support of Palestine in major cities in India.

What if the Israeli bombing campaign lasts a couple of weeks more?

Will Indian muslims take the path of violent protests?
Muslims are similar to Raktabeej. We have to take similar measures that Maa Kali took against Raktabeej.
Total elimination.
 

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Muslims are similar to Raktabeej. We have to take similar measures that Maa Kali took against Raktabeej.
Total elimination.
KCR, Mamta begum, Stalin, Kerala and so on....answer is clear on who is getting eliminated. Non-confrontational attitude from GOI makes these things worse than they are. I will bitch about this aspect of mudiji goi till I notice a difference...
 

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Genghiz Khan treatment aka total decimation of Muslim empire shows how you extract revenge. Total annihilation and hunt them around till the last man. They arrived at the borders of India hunting Khwarazmian Sultan's son. Israel needs to summon the Genghiz khan spirit. Not be like a barking dog that seldom bites.
 

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Genghiz Khan treatment aka total decimation of Muslim empire shows how you extract revenge. Total annihilation and hunt them around till the last man. They arrived at the borders of India hunting Khwarazmian Sultan's son. Israel needs to summon the Genghiz khan spirit. Not be like a barking dog that seldom bites.
They need to get a big enough army to equal the size of the army of the Great Khan though.
And no, i don't mean the US :bplease:
 
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Genghiz Khan treatment aka total decimation of Muslim empire shows how you extract revenge. Total annihilation and hunt them around till the last man. They arrived at the borders of India hunting Khwarazmian Sultan's son. Israel needs to summon the Genghiz khan spirit. Not be like a barking dog that seldom bites.
Don’t worry US CBG and special forces are not there to hand out flowers to Palestinians . Wherever USA goes they always bring a lot of collateral damage.
 
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