Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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What is stopping the ground invasion. Its been days Israeli army is sitting at the border, loaded and stuffed
 

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I think it's done, America interfered. Israel has bombed few buildings and has somewhat pacified its people . Hamas has come out as the Victor here. Everything else that is going on is just a show.
 

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Man it will be a nightmare for India if it develops into wider regional conflict. Oil prices would go through the roof. On top there are too many Indians in the region.
 

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At this rate, I don’t think an invasion of Gaza will happen anytime soon.. and also, what happened to “never negotiating with terrorist”?

Hamas plan of kidnapping hostages is working brilliantly for them.

That's what being an American ally means.. basically your nat sec policy will be run by them... public memory is short.. soon enough israel will be open for even more concessions. Bharat also should learn and must keep a safe distance always.
 

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Man it will be a nightmare for India if it develops into wider regional conflict. Oil prices would go through the roof. On top there are too many Indians in the region.
Intensity of anger/emotion is going down. Unless someone does something really stupid I don't think it will escalate any more. My opinion.
 

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Although Scott Ritter is very biased especially towards Russia.. I remember him saying that Russia will ultimately defeat NATO in Poland, if NATO doesn't stop supporting Ukraine.. Only to have Russia still unable to capture Donbass at the beginning of 2024.. He is also, sometimes right though..
2014 Gaza invasion by Israel didn't achieve anything..
2006 Lebanon invasion was stopped in its tracks by Hezbollah.. and now, Israel seems to be afraid of the horrendous casualties due to a ground invasion.. and is resorting again to the comfortable strategy of moving the grass (indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, thanks to full support of the west ) in the hope of recreating deterrence..

 
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With no manuevre warfare for a long time.. the Ukraine war has become a wake up call for many Western countries that having sexy looking special forces to thrash slipper wearing terrorists is not enough.. and need hundreds of thousands of trained infantry for large scale ground operations.. else you will never be able to take and occupy land against a near peer enemy
 
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Although Scott Ritter is very biased especially towards Russia.. I remember him saying that Russia will ultimately defeat NATO in Poland, if NATO doesn't stop supporting Ukraine.. Only to have Russia still unable to capture Donbass at the beginning of 2024.. He is also, sometimes right though..
2014 Gaza invasion by Israel didn't achieve anything..
2006 Lebanon invasion was stopped in its tracks by Hezbollah.. and now, Israel seems to be afraid of the horrendous casualties due to a ground invasion.. and is resorting again to the comfortable strategy of moving the grass (indiscriminate bombing of Gaza, thanks to full support of the west ) in the hope of recreating deterrence..

Slowly, people have started talking about Zew cowardice.
 

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While 100% its going to be a nightmare if and when Israel enters Gaza, I think there are multiple reasons why they are stalling-
  • Hostages- obviously. It's over for Hostages as soon as Israel enters.
  • US- there are multiple US citizens within Hostages. US may want them out before the invasion
  • Planning- it takes time to plan for such nightmare scenario. This is like 5 times more difficult than Mosul and remember how much time that took
  • Bombing is easier- it's a fact. It's easier to keep mowing from air with no casualties. Makes sense to go to flattened city than a standing city.
  • What after- OK so Israel invades. And even wins. What after? Are they going to govern that shithole and get stuck like US in Afghanistan or Iraq? These are hard questions to answer.
  • Media- people will die, mistakes will happen when Israel enters. And you know how media loves to make Israel the devil and hamas the saint.

Warfare was simpler in some sense in medieval times. Populations were simply slaughtered. Muzzies have no qualms in doing that still (Nagarno karbakh is just weeks old. Yeah they ran but they knew what was coming), but others can't and that itself makes their war 10 times more difficult. Not advocating it or anything just pointing out the issue.

So we will wait to see if there is anything. It's a tough situation.

Slowly, people have started talking about Zew cowardice.
I hope that's sarcastic cause by that yardstick we would be cowards number 1 in the world.
 

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It's clearly a win for Humus.


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"The first lorries carrying humanitarian aid from Egypt enter the Gaza Strip

The first lorries carrying humanitarian aid entered the Gaza Strip from Egypt on Saturday, on the fifteenth day of the war between Israel and Hamas, the ruling party in the Palestinian territory, according to an AFP correspondent.

The first five lorries loaded with aid crossed the Rafah terminal on the Egyptian border, which was opened exceptionally for this humanitarian operation, and entered Palestinian territory, according to an AFP correspondent on the scene." Source : Le Figaro.
 

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Some members here might not like hearing this, but remove the fangs of Islam, and Pakistanis are the same people like us.

There is a reason why Indians and Pakistanis in the west (away from religious influence) tend to be best of friends.
Sindhis, Muhajjirs and the 3-4 types of Punjabi found there yes, Poothans and Balochis no.

Ofc this is only till a language shift occurs and the (((trans)))formation to whatever foreign tribe they pretend to be is complete.

Like the "Arabs" in Egypt, "Turks" in Anatolia etc
 

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The goal of my post was to point out the hypocrisy of Schultz statement, implying that nothing serious will be done to deport massively asylum-seekers. If they are serious, they will start doing basic things like I mentioned in my post that will not cost any cent to public funds and will stop flooding new asylum-seekers by thousands every week. If you want to heal, you first need to stop the propagation of pathological cells in your body and stop being exposed to the source of contamination. That makes sense ?
But not a single political party will do that. Marine Le Pen will not do it more than Giorgia Meloni did. All Talk to come and stay in power but no action, because they cant take any serious action.
They cant take any serious action because the EU Member States have virtually legally surrendered their sovereignty to Brussels, which is governed by Eurocrats who are controlled by no-one except the financial powers that be and Washington DC.
There is only one country in EU (I say country not leader ) that resists the project being implemented by the financial powers that be, that country is Hungary and they accept to pay the price that is being treated like a pariah in EU. Hungarians understand that the ultimate goal is the eradication of European-Christian civilisation by the replacement of indigenous population by muslim migrants.
You are right, it's too late, the solution will not come within inside because even the Church as an institution is corrupt profoundly with the woke ideology, I'd even say that the Church accelerates it's own fall and the fall of the European-Christian civilisation, hence the fall of Europe.
So what's the solution? There is no short term solution, the wokism wil and shall produce all the evil it is supposed to produce because there is no internal force in France or in any countries around to oppose it and win the battle. But France could prove me wrong if the Catholic Church in France rediscovers its values and its commitment. Very little chance in the short term (5-10 years)
In the long term the solution may come from three different directions : US, Russia and India.
US, I dont believe because the US internal forces opposing the wokism are too weak and would become weaker I think even though I wish the contrary.
Russia and India, yes definitely, on one sine qua none condition though, that I may shortly explain why in a subsequent post.
Catholic Church is pozzed world wide, atleast wherever goras are involved as priests.
The other churches are those state controlled ones where some useless King or Queen is head of the church, and the EKD of (((germany))).

In 3rd world countries it depents on your local priests, in India there are right-wing priests and leftie-priests but both become Congi pracharaks when instructed to :facepalm:

But yea, gooropeans rejected Christ for feminism, lgbtqwerty, freedom, democrazy and now they will pay the price.
They are godless and have no tribalistic urges that will drive them to violence against the green hordes, even in France.
 

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