Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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A State power with all its military and techno might getting 'demotivated' by some rag tag motivated jihadis, true 4th generation warfare on full display.

Need comprehensive State's power , including economy-political-technological-military-cultural, to deal with this 4th generation warfare.

Doval ji was right about 4th generation warfare. 🙏🙏
 

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They don't have the money to finance a war right now with their current reserves not even being enough to sustain an all-out for a week and a half. If shit really hits the fan in Middle East, they won't be in a position to donate bheek to Porkis and assuming that Chinese start their conquest of Taiwan, unless they pour a significant amount of money in making sure Porkis sustain the war against India (thereby diverting from their mission in Taiwan) there's no way in hell that Porkis can even think of opening a front.
This is where we fall short in our thinking, gdp and all that bs only matters for a country like India that is concerned more about social politics than a country like China or Pakistan or Iran because they will channel all their resources even if limited towards the war and military and their struggling masses will cheer that too especialy porkies. No impact on their war making ability....my point we need this mindset but qualitatively different approach and planning. Our military to us is 4th priority
 

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Its amazing how accurate these dumb smartified bombs are....not sure why we don't see this from Russians....this is missile level accuracy and even better
In case of Russkies, their targets shoot back at their planes.
Here they praise their god in glee because more of their dead fellows === more atrocity literature propaganda.
 

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In case of Russkies, their targets shoot back at their planes.
Here they praise their god in glee because more of their dead fellows === more atrocity literature propaganda.
Nah, they still hit the targets but for some reason from the top....only reason is they are more like warehouse type targets low to ground than these civilian type vertical proxy zombie targets but even in Syria I did not see this from their kab's on apartmentish targets with no AD like in Ukraine. I think there is a high chance these targets are laser iluminated and not totally glide only
 

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It is time to dump Waleed Amir Butinov.

EDIT : posting this here because that Wumao shill and Akim have taken over the Russi-Ukrani thread, and nobody bothers there anyway
 

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Contested vs Non Contested air space.
Syria is not contested or no more contested than Gaza, its more likely these bombs have laser seekers and targets illuminated. Also Russians are hitting targets accurately just not at the same point with geometrical precision like IDF, so contested airspace is not the issue at all but its possible errors are cumulative and longer distances in other Russian theaters may also play a role from the launch points
 
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This is where we fall short in our thinking, gdp and all that bs only matters for a country like India that is concerned more about social politics than a country like China or Pakistan or Iran because they will channel all their resources even if limited towards the war and military and their struggling masses will cheer that too especialy porkies. No impact on their war making ability....my point we need this mindset but qualitatively different approach and planning. Our military to us is 4th priority
How do you propose that the Porkis will use their tanks, jets and ships when oil prices would've shot up like an American high school when their reserves will depleting even more rapidly thanks to wartime expenditure in addition to the massive inflation that a middle eastern war would trigger? Subhuman barbarism as displayed by the Turks of the old who continued raiding cities even when they had run out of supplies no longer works. Once their fuel runs out, most of their tanks are sitting ducks waiting to be demolished one by one. This is exactly what happened in 1965. Porkis started out strong but then started suffering severe shortages with the end result being the near capture of Lahore before the Allied powers bailing their ass out.

You also are equating Mao's China with modern day China. The current Chinese people - both CCP elite and citizens have finally gotten a taste of progress after almost 300 years. Any sort of nationalism/jingoism may allow them to attempt a takeover of a perceived small fry like Taiwan (which they most definitely are not) but definitely not a 2 front war with American and NATO support to their opponents even if it results in a pyrrhic victory. Chinese aren't the same people you see under Putin's Russia. They have shown time and again that they pick their battles wisely.
 

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Never going to happen. Most of our trade is with western economies & we've much in common. When sh#t hits the fan India will most probably ally with US
For historical and even present reasons, India doesn't want to be, or can't be, too critical of Russia. There is negligible animosity here, though India will cringe at the outrageous things Russia says and does.

At the same time, India and most countries in the world don't want to see the China- North Korea-Russia- Iran group as the dominant force on the planet, with the possibility of Saudi, Turkey and most loathsomely, Pakistan joining that group.

The US and its allies, problems, arrogance, hypocrisy and all, is still better. Though India of course must exercise caution and judiciousness in relations with that group as well.
 

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a big building like this was completely occupied by Hamas? hard to believe?
From what I have read - Hamas tends to occupy the under ground or ground floors of big residential, media, civilian, hospital and schooling buildings. The idea is to run their operations underneath the veneer/safety of having the rest of building being filled with civilians.

These fuckers need to be identified and kicked out of school and their visas revoked.
You’ll be surprised at how many of them are “Americans” (or atleast passport holders).
 

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Israel was critical but remained neutral in not supplying weapons to Ukraine despite tremendous pressure from NATO and the US bloc. They firmly rejected supplying weapons to Ukraine and despite all this hyper-ventilating online, they will stay out of that war due to the uneasy equation.

The ball is actually in Russia's court. They may choose to nitpick on Israeli criticism, or they would be rational and avoid supporting a terrorist group that live-streamed terror attacks on civilians and unarmed women and young people. Except for Muslims and their toilet cleaner leftists, no normal human being is supporting such a dastardly act.

If this were a Hamas/Hezbollah attack against an Israeli military base or something, the world reaction would have not been so black and white. But this is literally another 26/11 that happened all over again in a much more ferocious manner. The proportion of losses was horrifying. Netanyahu is as raw Jewish nationalist as it gets in their political spectrum before devolving into a caveman haredi, who is no different from a Muslim.

Any bigger power with such a similar government facing an attack like this would have simply kept the world at bay with nuclear weapons (the way Putin kept NATO out) and flattened the adversary territory regardless of whether it was a war crime or not.

Putin would be pragmatic to ensure keeping away from supporting a terrorist attack. It is not something he wants to get involved in.
You are wrong on several accounts. Israel did provide moral support to Ukraine and denounced Russia's invasion in several official statements. Israel did provide material support to Ukraine. Not only that, Israel bombed Syria, a Russian ally when Russia was trying to prevent ISIS takeover of Syria which US was letting happen. By the way, Russia did Israel a huge favor by propping up Assad because Assad was the bulwark against ISIS takeover of Syria. Russia did far more to provide security to Israel's northern flank when it saved Assad from destruction by the hands of ISIS and other Islamic factions.

And how did Israel repay the favor? By bombing Damascus and other Syrian facilities repeatedly and poking in the eye of Russia.

So Russia did not choose a dying hill. Russia is doing what India would have done in the same situation.
 
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From what I have read - Hamas tends to occupy the under ground or ground floors of big residential, media, civilian, hospital and schooling buildings. The idea is to run their operations underneath the veneer/safety of having the rest of building being filled with civilians.
That nakes it okay to attack a civilian building (for israel not others)
 

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It is time to dump Waleed Amir Butinov.

EDIT : posting this here because that Wumao shill and Akim have taken over the Russi-Ukrani thread, and nobody bothers there anyway
And pay for more when purchasing oil from Saudi Arabia? Saudi did not increase their price when we started buying oil from Russia. It made the Saudis more hesitant in scalping India.

We need to figure out a way to pay for Russian oil without paying in yuan. To be fair to Russia, Russia can't buy any Indian goods with rupees because most Indian companies refuse to sell stuff to Russia for fear of US sanctions. Russia do want to buy Indian goods. They have been asking Indian companies to come to Russia and set up shop but only very few did. So out of frustration, Russia turned to Chinese goods.

So the blame lies with us, not Russia. Russia is not a charity.
 

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That nakes it okay to attack a civilian building (for israel not others)
The West has a selective memory, they have already forgotten the cries of outrage when the Russians carried out a limited attack without destroying the whole building the anti-aircraft defences on civilian buildings installed by Ukrainians.
Here, whole buildings are destroyed and those actions are justified. Good luck convincing even the desert goats of the West's objectivity, even the desert goats don't believe in it any more. ;-)
 

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