Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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Looks like Muslims are hell bent on relieving post 9/11 treatment.
I have often wondered what would be the reaction to that tragic event had it occurred in the present day USA ? The partisan politics, rapid increase in far left and identity politics, exponential increase in the number of migrants from muslim countries, a defanged and demoralized police and military, i doubt if GW Bush could do half the things he did after 9/11 had it been now. I always thought US will begin a rapid decline towards the end of 21st century, now i am inclined to believe the rapid decline is probably 30-40 yrs away.
 
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I have often wondered what would be the reaction to that tragic event had it occurred in the present day USA ? The partisan politics, rapid increase in far left and identity politics, exponential increase in the number of migrants from muslim countries, a defanged and demoralized police and military, i doubt if GW Bush could do half the things he did after 9/11 had it been now. I always thought US will begin a rapid decline towards the end of 21st century, now i am inclined to begin the rapid decline is probably 30-40 yrs away.
look at the national debt we may have started with this administration?
 

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U.S. Pursues Defense Partnership With India to Deter Chinese Aggression
Don't know if this is really related to the middle east conflict?https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/asia/india-us-defense.html
can you archive it and provide the link? I tried visiting archive.ph but it won't let me get past the captcha loop.
 

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Tsar Vlad was having delusions of Soviet Grandeur.. and he was thinking that Russia could be as powerful as Soviet Union was..
Do you remember Ruskis getting too big for their shoes in Winter 2021.. telling Unkil Sam to withdraw NATO infrastructure to pre 1997 territory.. ? Now where are they?
From railroading Ukraine in 2014, Russia are stuck with an area less than what they had in April 2022.. They have lost almost all energy ties and leverage with Europe..
While Russia has weathered western sanctions admirably, none of this .. not even the long war effort would have been possible without full economic support as well as war related support ( Chinese and western electronics, drones and parts, optics, auto parts, body armor etc.. coming from China.. )
Russia of course has gained land, amd secured Crimea, but is being contained within Donbass, Zaporizye and Kherson (compared to the Aukaat ke bahar asks by Russia in December 2021 ) .. It's Black sea fleet has been more vulnerable than ever..
Russian AD is not the p**kered a*us it was made out to be, with long range Ukranian drones hitting moscow many times..
US companies have acquired lots of land in Ukraine.. and Ukraine Army is deeply involved with US military, making Ukraine a firm client state of US..

All in all..
Ukraine is f**ked..
EU is the biggest loser..
Russia is the next big loser..
US has gained in Europe, and has decimated Russian influence in Europe.. but by pushing Russia into China's laps, has not gained anything on the global stage..
China is the biggest gainer..and has secured its Flanks..
India is p*ssed that both Russia and now Iran are well on their way to become Chinese slaves, and Mudi told the CDS to rake up the issue of Russia's declining geopolitical potential, and Iran becoming China's sidekick.. because if ch*tiya Iran gave the go ahead to Hamas to perform this clusterf*ck in Israel (thinking Biden is Obama, who was apologetic about US power and shy about using it ).. and in return if US f**ks its proxies Hamas and Hezbollah, then,a weakened Iran will be another Chinese slave in the hands of Soul collector Xi..
US got shit. It depleted the NATO's warfighting reserves and threw away $200B that it will never get back. Ukraine lost millions of people and its lands are next to useless.

You talk like someone who's on copium. Yeah US got thousands of Russians killed but guess what. It also made Russia revitalize its war machines. They have learned a lot from this conflict and you can bet your ass that they have massively upgraded their warfighting capabilities. They are not going all in because they still have to watch their northern flank. Make no mistake. Russia is grinding Ukraine into dust and Ukraine will be nothing but a dead corpse walking.
 

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I am big boy too.. - Putin
He would know what happens to the Black sea fleet and Black sea trade, if he fires those.. Any ship in the small black sea, is a goner in a near peer conflict..
And US will lose its fleet as well.
 

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his planes with hypersonic missiles are circling 800km away in black sea .

ukraine meanwhile fucked up russian base with ballistic missile from USA

bro has already mentally submitted to global homo long time back .
If Ukraine can do those things with limited means, that means Russia can fuck up USA way more with its massive arsenal of missiles.

You USA blowhards seem to think that it is a one way street for the US.
 

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I know you (and most of us honestly) are terrified of stepping feet in the Ukraine war thread any more after it's brutal occupation by Akim-Jaguar, but that still doesn't justify stealth dropping Putin rants on other threads.
They can't help it because they can't post in the Russian Ukrainian thread without being bombarded with Russians successfully attacking the shit out of Ukrainians. So they need to vent off somewhere else. They keep hyping US might while downplaying Russia's capabilities but ignore the true realities on the ground.
 
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can you archive it and provide the link? I tried visiting archive.ph but it won't let me get past the captcha loop.
U.S. Pursues Defense Partnership With India to Deter Chinese Aggression
Repairing American ships in Indian ports is a first step, as the U.S. military seeks to stretch out across the Indo-Pacific.
have docked for repairs.Credit...Atul Loke for The New York Times


Workers weld and do other work on part of a ship being constructed inside a shipyard building. They are wearing blue uniforms and yellow helmets.

Damien Cave
By Damien Cave
Reporting from New Delhi, Mumbai and Kattupalli in India
Published Oct. 17, 2023Updated Oct. 18, 2023, 10:10 a.m. ET
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When the Salvor, a U.S. Navy rescue and salvage ship, pulled into a port in India’s southeast this summer, the job at hand was patching up the aging vessel. But there was a bigger mission, too: opening another door for a U.S. military trying to stretch out across the Indo-Pacific and counter Chinese power.
The Navy ship was the third in a year to arrive at Kattupalli, an industrial hamlet north of Chennai with a state-of-the-art shipyard. And this time, the visit marked the start of a five-year ship repair agreement — a tangible step toward defense cooperation for two nations pushed together by geopolitics and Washington’s desire to court and strengthen a rising Asian giant.
“We’re well equipped to do this,” said Arun Ramchandani, the head of the defense unit of L&T, the Mumbai-based conglomerate that built the shipyard. “And I think that this is just the beginning.”
The deal, which includes another defense contractor in Mumbai, is part of a strategy the Pentagon calls “places not bases” — pursuing access to more sites where the United States has no military installations of its own. In the vast Indo-Pacific, such connections could prove important for deterring China and, in the event of a conflict, sustaining a U.S. mobilization.

Beijing has already strengthened ties with Sri Lanka and Pakistan by building or expanding ports through its Belt and Road initiative, while just over the past year, Washington has raced to catch up by signing new or expanded security arrangements with the Philippines, Japan, Australia, Palau, Papua New Guinea and Vietnam, in addition to India.
In some countries, the United States is lining up locations for ship or submarine repair and resupply. In others, it has gained access to strategic islands or sea lanes by agreeing to improve infrastructure and assist law enforcement with equipment, or by sharing information about threats at sea.

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People, some wearing blue uniforms and others wearing orange ones, work outdoors, on the ground. Behind them looms a large ship.

The state-of-the-art shipyard is near Chennai.Credit...Atul Loke for The New York Times

People, some wearing blue uniforms and others wearing orange ones, work outdoors, on the ground. Behind them looms a large ship.

Greater defense cooperation with India — at the opposite end of the Indo-Pacific from American bases in Japan and South Korea — is an especially coveted prize for the United States, which hopes New Delhi will become both a military ally and an alternative to China for manufacturing and technology development. Under a shared defense road map, the two sides, among other initiatives, also announced a major deal on jet engines this year.Still, both countries have a lot of bureaucracy, history and skepticism to overcome.Under a 1920 merchant marine law that protects American shipyards from competition, for example, only noncombat ships can be repaired by other countries. New Delhi’s relative military weakness and long history of acting as a nonaligned nation may also limit its willingness to work with the United States in a military conflict. And with Indian agents now accused of orchestrating the killing of a Sikh separatist on Canadian soil, Washington is facing new questions about Indian reliability.

But Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon spokesman, said the United States aimed to make India a logistics hub for the U.S. military and other partners in the Indo-Pacific, implying that the country’s ports could be useful in a potential war. And both countries see the ship repair deal as an exercise in reassurance, confirming that warmer relations are here to stay.

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The arm of a crane stands near a large ship in dry dock.

A five-year agreement with India on ship repairs is intended as a trust-building measure as New Delhi and Washington look to work together on defense.Credit...Atul Loke for The New York Times

The arm of a crane stands near a large ship in dry dock.

“What’s happened is the character of the relationship has changed — it has broadened, it has its benefits, but in implementation it has its huge challenges,” said Anil Ahuja, a retired lieutenant general in the Indian Army who has worked on U.S.-India military task forces. “We have to learn where to plug in.”
Concerns about China are driving the nascent partnership. New Delhi has become more anxious about Chinese submarines and ships moving between Africa and the subcontinent. Chinese research vessels also linger near India’s coast more often, Indian officials said, raising concerns about spying by Beijing.
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For India, worries about China’s power at sea — and not just in the Himalayan region where China and India share a disputed border — have contributed to a wider awakening. At a kickoff meeting in September for U.S. and Indian officials pursuing defense innovations, the first design efforts focused on undersea communication and maritime intelligence.

“India sees Chinese hegemonic ambitions far more clearly now, while it refused to see them before,” said C. Raja Mohan, a senior fellow at the Asia Society Policy Institute in Delhi.

The United States and India have also found that at sea, where protecting commerce and shipping are widely shared interests, partnerships are less politically fraught. In international waters, the two navies increasingly practice passing maneuvers and tactical communication.
“There are fewer sensitivities in the maritime domain,” General Ahuja said. “You can hug and kiss each other in the middle of the sea and nobody cares.”
The ship repair agreement extends that bond to places like Kattupalli, where a container port and power plants rise from lush coastal flats about 20 miles from Chennai.

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The lower half of part of a ship’s hull is inside a building. Workers stand on, inside and next to it.

India and its defense companies have made clear they would like to do more work for the United States, at the facility near Chennai and at other locations. Credit...Atul Loke for The New York Times

The lower half of part of a ship’s hull is inside a building. Workers stand on, inside and next to it.

Built from scratch about a decade ago, L&T’s 900-acre shipyard has 2,000 workers who can build or repair several ships at a time. It can accommodate vessels weighing up to 20,000 tons, thanks to a ship lift that raises them in and out of the water and moves them to different areas, under cover or in the open air.

On a recent visit, several large patrol boats were being built, while a handful of commercial tankers bobbed in the water, awaiting repairs.
Here and at other locations, India and its defense companies have made clear they would like to do more work for the United States.
Last year, a delegation of congressional staff members visited a naval shipyard in Kochi, on the western coast, where officers showed off India’s newest aircraft carrier and pitched their port as a repair shop for warships working the Persian Gulf.
“They wanted to show us that they were really pressing forward and developing their own capabilities,” said Megan Reiss, a former national security adviser to Senator Mitt Romney who was part of the trip.

The Americans, while intrigued, also pointed out a perennial impediment: India’s reliance on Russian military equipment. The aircraft on the carrier were Moscow’s designs.

A worker welds a rectangular object. Behind are other workers, either standing or sitting, and all wear blue uniforms and yellow helmets.

The 900-acre shipyard has 2,000 workers who can build or repair several ships at a time.Credit...Atul Loke for The New York Times

A worker welds a rectangular object. Behind are other workers, either standing or sitting, and all wear blue uniforms and yellow helmets.

The White House has emphasized that India is heading in the right direction by buying less from Russia, lining up orders recently with the United States for drones, and building more weaponry by modernizing generic designs. Some U.S. officials have signaled that they hope India eventually replaces Russia as a supplier of conventional military hardware for countries that cannot afford American weapons systems.
Companies like L&T, which produces delivery systems for high-tech weaponry, believe that, with American support, they can find new ways to join global supply chains.
“The good thing about the Indian defense ecosystem is that it is innovative,” Mr. Ramchandani, the L&T executive, said.
But with some of its most useful and sensitive equipment, the United States has held back.

Undersea monitoring technology, for example, has become a source of tension. India wants more than American officials said they felt comfortable sharing — to avoid commingling with Russian tools or personnel, and to keep America’s own movements from detection by India.

In the meantime, there is Kattupalli. At least one more U.S. ship is expected this year. In most cases, shipyard managers said, they start preparations for the Americans up to 45 days early.

Even for logistics vessels, the demands can be intense. Americans need different food, and they expect a certain level of accommodation and security.
When the Salvor docked, other berths were kept empty. There were armed guards around the parking lot and an Indian Navy warship off the coast.

John Ismay contributed reporting from Washington.
Damien Cave is the bureau chief in Sydney, Australia. He previously reported from Mexico City, Havana, Beirut and Baghdad. Since joining The Times in 2004, he has also been a deputy National editor, Miami bureau chief and a Metro reporter. More about Damien Cave
 

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The U.S. immigration enforcement agency hired a former spokeswoman for the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) and put her in a position to determine who gets to come into the country as an immigrant or “asylum seeker.” Now the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officer is repeatedly posting pictures of Hamas terrorists parachuting in with guns and writing, “F*** Israel and any Jew who supports Israel,” a Daily Wire investigation found.
You can't make this stuff up :rofl:
 

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HAMAS is drinking blood of the kids??? wtf?

Muslims have a reputation of doing this in sheer hatred. We have seen Shia Sunni killing each other, cutting the chest out and eating hearts of each other in Syria war!!! So no surprise if they can do it to the kids of Jews!!! :eek1:

 

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