Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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Feeling bad for dead enemy civilians or feeling joyous at their deaths and feeling nothing at their deaths.

All are different things.

Why do you want to celebrate the deaths of enemy civilians? Do you want to encourage environment that allowed hamas to carry out the attacks on civilians in the first place and thus committing a grave blunder that erodes international support?

We are talking about toddlers here. Who don't recognise hate religion nor enemies.

Don't mistake me for a bleeding heart libbu
I recognise the role of Islam and hamas indoctrination and propaganda that has allowed these dastardly acts to take place and I recognise the wretched consequences
from Israeli retaliation as causality.

But, I refuse to dehumanise myself by celebrating deaths of innocent children or civilians.
Most are probably indoctrinated in the jihad as you say and they become willing human shields for the hamas.
But would you not do the same if that's the only information and environment you were raised in?
Do you really possess that great of human fortitude and mental strength to overcome this indoctrination and see the hollowness of this religious hate and idiocy?

The dead civilians deserve sympathy, atleast for that.

I feel nothing but disgust at this whole affair.
Islamic Jihadism is dehumanising both its followers and the kafirs and encourages a very degenerate conciousness amond it's followers.
And it's now also bringing out the same sub human like qualities in its enemies ie kafirs.

I don't see anything to celebrate here.

Do you think I feel bad or feel joy at the deaths of paki jihadis? No I don't feel anything.
It's something that needed to be done. No need to tangle with emotions there.
Maybe satisfaction is the only emotion that can be allowed. Satisfaction that a task has been completed. Maybe like when you swat a bug with an electric bat.
No further emotion.


If you want to subject the state of your emotional well being to the state of misery of others then you damage yourself.

This is why I will.not celebrate the deaths of dead enemies. And will sympathise with dead civilians.
Civilization got wiped out from earth due to thinking of P*ss**s like you.

There is no morality in War! Whenever any state brought morality into picture they got slashed down.
 

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Important Updates:

1. The Israeli Army announces: We are now launching a large-scale attack on the Gaza Strip 2. Also, "there are no longer any clashes with Palestinian militants inside Israel"

2. Also, "there are no longer any clashes with Palestinian militants inside Israel"
 

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Very different from India & Pakistan. Israel exists but how it came to happen is an extraordinary story, a transplanting of essentially Europeans into west Asia because" god gave them the land". The Palestinians were not the villains, they were the victims. That's an historical fact. Trying to undo it now though is stupid, the Palestinians have got a raw deal - any deal they get will be a raw deal compared to what happened to them historically but they have preferred to wallow in their victimhood. I have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians as a people (and can't say i dont understand their grievance) but none for Hamas and their supporters. Shouldn't conflate the two.

People can support whoever they want but history is what it is.
A simplified thread of the conflict in Israel

Will help you understand what is Israel, Zionism, Palestine, PLA, Hamas, Hezbollah & what does each party in the conflict wants

After reading this you won't fall for Jihadist propaganda & have informed responses to fake narratives
Image

Firstly remember that all this is just the size of Meghalaya so for Jihadists that occupy 60+ nations today including 1/3rd of Hindu lands this is pocket change.

Additionally 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs with full democratic rights but no Jew is permitted in Arab nations.Image
Around 2500 years ago it was Jewish homeland but over the years they were displaced by multiple rulers.

A full list of who ruled that region is shown in the picture below

This should make it clear that Islam definitely doesn't have a unilateral historic claim over the region.Image
In 19th century Europe there was extreme persecution of Jews and they really needed to save their lives. So in the 1840s, a movement started known as Zionism where they came and settled in Israel as their theological homeland.

There was NOTHING CALLED PALESTINE.

There were merely some nomadic Arab tribes in a marshy malaria ridden desert and Jews were leaving behind wealthy businesses and good life in Europe to save themselves.

They were refugees in an unknown Ottoman colony not invaders.
Until 1914 there wasn't much opposition but here came the first defeat.

Ottoman Turkey lost fair and square in a war and the British promised a Jewish homeland in 1917 in what is called the 'Balfour declaration' which was put into effect starting 1923.Image
Between 1918 and 1921 100,000 Jews were mass murdered by Russians in Ukraine leading to more migrations into Israel which was now the only place where a Jew could save his/her life. What else were they expected to do - a tiny piece of desert marshland that they developed that tooImage

The Arabs also started attacking & there were riots in the 1920s and 30s. Jews had no option but to form their own militia .

The British banned further Jewish emigration to the area in 1939, just before the outbreak of World War 2 dooming millions of Jews to death.
In 1936 the British decided to partition the British Mandate territory into an Arab State and a Jewish State.

The Jewish leadership and residents said “YES”. The Arabs said “NO”.Image
1947 the United Nations voted to split the land into two countries. Almost all of the roughly 650k Jews went to the blue territory in the map to the right, and a majority of the 1.3M Arab population went to the orange.Image
1948 - The Jewish residents ACCEPTED the deal.

The Palestinians, with the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria declared war on Israel and LOST and Jewish state of Israel was declared.

The Arabs did not accept a deal and lost a war - who's to blame here?Image
After the 1947 war ended, Egypt took administration of Gaza, Jordan took administration of the West Bank, and Syria took administration of the Golan Heights.

Arabs in those areas became “refugees”.

Why couldn't these Arab nations offer citizenship and refuge to fellow Arabs?.
The Arab States didn’t declare Palestine on the remaining land. The Jordanians annexed what is now known as the “West Bank” and Egypt governed what is now called the “Gaza Strip”.

There was no attempt to create a Palestinian State on these lands.Image

Over the next 20 years 2 million Jews came from all over the world, often penniless leaving all their hard earned assets in the country from which they were running. And still worked hard and made Israel a developed nation with their sweat toil and smarts.Image
In 1964 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed with the express intention of destroying the new Israeli/Jewish State and kicking the majority of its Jewish residents out (into the sea was the language used i.e. genocide or ethnic cleansing).Image
In 1967, a war was fought to counter an imminent Egyptian attack. In six days, Israel routed the Arab powers, taking the West Bank, East Jerusalem from Jordan & Golan heights from Syria. Note that again Arabs were aggressor and also lost a warImage
Coming to Jerusalem. It's the Ram Janam bhoomi for Jews on the border between Israel & the West Bank. It’s home to some of the holiest sites in both Judaism and Islam so both Israel and Palestine want to make it their capital. After 1967 war Israel has taken control of Jerusalem
Image
Image
In 1970, the PLO took control of Ibrid town and made it a base and opened training camps in Jordan! So Jordan cracked down on them in their country and killed 25k. Guess who was a key perpetrator ? General Zia Ul Haq of Pakistan. Muslim unity?
In 1973 Egypt and Syria launched a surprise two-front attack on Israel to regain their lost territory but failed yet again. This is called the Yom Kippur War or the October War,Image
In 1987 Islamist group Hamas, was formed as a militant “resistance” group and won political power in a 2006 election. Hamas’s takeover of Gaza prompted an Israeli blockade of the flow of commercial goods into Gaza, on the grounds that Hamas could use those goods against Israel.Image

The intifadas were two Palestinian uprisings against Israel, the first in the late 1980s and the second in the early 2000s. Think of it as terror attacks on Jewish civilians.Image
Israel has controlled the West Bank since the 1967 Six-Day War. There are about 500,000 Jewish settlers living in the West Bank, many of whom live near the border with Israel proper.
Settlements are communities of Jews that have been moving to the West Bank since 1967 for religious reasons or because they want to claim the West Bank territory as Israeli land or because the housing there tends to be cheap and subsidized.Image
In 2005 Israel left Gaza but Hamas still fires rockets, Lebanon has Hezbollah terror & Iran is the mastermind. Thus in 1937, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2003, 2006 and 2021 Israel offered peace but Arabs are disinterested and fueled by theological Jew hatred.

What is Israel supposed to do?

 

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Civilization got wiped out from earth due to thinking of P*ss**s like you.

There is no morality in War! Whenever any state brought morality into picture they got slashed down.
It isnt morality to not try and crush your enemy civilian population, especially when they are sedentary non-warrior population.
Its prudence, since you don't want an extremely hostile population to rule over and is fairly rare in history.

Now,you can make the case (fairly effectively i think) that most adults (and a significant portion of teenagers) in Gaza know how to handle a gun & are competent with basic militancy, thus they aren't really 'civilians' in effect.
But that would be besides the point i think he is trying to make.
 

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It isnt morality to not try and crush your enemy civilian population, especially when they are sedentary non-warrior population.
Its prudence, since you don't want an extremely hostile population to rule over and is fairly rare in history.

Now,you can make the case (fairly effectively i think) that most adults (and a significant portion of teenagers) in Gaza know how to handle a gun & are competent with basic militancy, thus they aren't really 'civilians' in effect.
But that would be besides the point i think he is trying to make.
After the third Jew Revolt, Hadrian eliminated over 1 million jews from the current Israel-Palestine area.

The area never had Jews for next 15-1800 years. No one judges him for killing complete population including Women, Kids, Elders.
 

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A simplified thread of the conflict in Israel

Will help you understand what is Israel, Zionism, Palestine, PLA, Hamas, Hezbollah & what does each party in the conflict wants

After reading this you won't fall for Jihadist propaganda & have informed responses to fake narratives
Image

Firstly remember that all this is just the size of Meghalaya so for Jihadists that occupy 60+ nations today including 1/3rd of Hindu lands this is pocket change.

Additionally 20% of Israeli citizens are Arabs with full democratic rights but no Jew is permitted in Arab nations.Image
Around 2500 years ago it was Jewish homeland but over the years they were displaced by multiple rulers.

A full list of who ruled that region is shown in the picture below

This should make it clear that Islam definitely doesn't have a unilateral historic claim over the region.Image
In 19th century Europe there was extreme persecution of Jews and they really needed to save their lives. So in the 1840s, a movement started known as Zionism where they came and settled in Israel as their theological homeland.

There was NOTHING CALLED PALESTINE.

There were merely some nomadic Arab tribes in a marshy malaria ridden desert and Jews were leaving behind wealthy businesses and good life in Europe to save themselves.

They were refugees in an unknown Ottoman colony not invaders.
Until 1914 there wasn't much opposition but here came the first defeat.

Ottoman Turkey lost fair and square in a war and the British promised a Jewish homeland in 1917 in what is called the 'Balfour declaration' which was put into effect starting 1923.Image
Between 1918 and 1921 100,000 Jews were mass murdered by Russians in Ukraine leading to more migrations into Israel which was now the only place where a Jew could save his/her life. What else were they expected to do - a tiny piece of desert marshland that they developed that tooImage

The Arabs also started attacking & there were riots in the 1920s and 30s. Jews had no option but to form their own militia .

The British banned further Jewish emigration to the area in 1939, just before the outbreak of World War 2 dooming millions of Jews to death.
In 1936 the British decided to partition the British Mandate territory into an Arab State and a Jewish State.

The Jewish leadership and residents said “YES”. The Arabs said “NO”.Image
1947 the United Nations voted to split the land into two countries. Almost all of the roughly 650k Jews went to the blue territory in the map to the right, and a majority of the 1.3M Arab population went to the orange.Image
1948 - The Jewish residents ACCEPTED the deal.

The Palestinians, with the Arab states of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Syria declared war on Israel and LOST and Jewish state of Israel was declared.

The Arabs did not accept a deal and lost a war - who's to blame here?Image
After the 1947 war ended, Egypt took administration of Gaza, Jordan took administration of the West Bank, and Syria took administration of the Golan Heights.

Arabs in those areas became “refugees”.

Why couldn't these Arab nations offer citizenship and refuge to fellow Arabs?.
The Arab States didn’t declare Palestine on the remaining land. The Jordanians annexed what is now known as the “West Bank” and Egypt governed what is now called the “Gaza Strip”.

There was no attempt to create a Palestinian State on these lands.Image

Over the next 20 years 2 million Jews came from all over the world, often penniless leaving all their hard earned assets in the country from which they were running. And still worked hard and made Israel a developed nation with their sweat toil and smarts.Image
In 1964 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) was formed with the express intention of destroying the new Israeli/Jewish State and kicking the majority of its Jewish residents out (into the sea was the language used i.e. genocide or ethnic cleansing).Image
In 1967, a war was fought to counter an imminent Egyptian attack. In six days, Israel routed the Arab powers, taking the West Bank, East Jerusalem from Jordan & Golan heights from Syria. Note that again Arabs were aggressor and also lost a warImage
Coming to Jerusalem. It's the Ram Janam bhoomi for Jews on the border between Israel & the West Bank. It’s home to some of the holiest sites in both Judaism and Islam so both Israel and Palestine want to make it their capital. After 1967 war Israel has taken control of Jerusalem
Image
Image
In 1970, the PLO took control of Ibrid town and made it a base and opened training camps in Jordan! So Jordan cracked down on them in their country and killed 25k. Guess who was a key perpetrator ? General Zia Ul Haq of Pakistan. Muslim unity?
In 1973 Egypt and Syria launched a surprise two-front attack on Israel to regain their lost territory but failed yet again. This is called the Yom Kippur War or the October War,Image
In 1987 Islamist group Hamas, was formed as a militant “resistance” group and won political power in a 2006 election. Hamas’s takeover of Gaza prompted an Israeli blockade of the flow of commercial goods into Gaza, on the grounds that Hamas could use those goods against Israel.Image

The intifadas were two Palestinian uprisings against Israel, the first in the late 1980s and the second in the early 2000s. Think of it as terror attacks on Jewish civilians.Image
Israel has controlled the West Bank since the 1967 Six-Day War. There are about 500,000 Jewish settlers living in the West Bank, many of whom live near the border with Israel proper.
Settlements are communities of Jews that have been moving to the West Bank since 1967 for religious reasons or because they want to claim the West Bank territory as Israeli land or because the housing there tends to be cheap and subsidized.Image
In 2005 Israel left Gaza but Hamas still fires rockets, Lebanon has Hezbollah terror & Iran is the mastermind. Thus in 1937, 1948, 1967, 2000, 2003, 2006 and 2021 Israel offered peace but Arabs are disinterested and fueled by theological Jew hatred.

What is Israel supposed to do?

In this way, we should also lay claim to our land minus the Pakis, Kanglus, Lankans, Talibunnies, Chineyes, Thai, Cambodia etc etc. Either join the Akhand Bharat Union or jump into the sea. Chinese is claiming those territories that isn't even theirs. So why can't we in next 100 years aim to reclaim what we lost.
 

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All patriotic Indians here who want to preserve our civilization and culture. Read this very carefully and make up your own mind.

Especially you @LaIllahaSigmar. I understand where you are coming from. We are all brought up in Dharmic households where killing an animal is considered as a sin. And to see kids getting killed is beyond incomprehensible for us not to feel some humanity in our hearts. And that is where our weakness lies. Unlike you and me the side you want to feel sympathy for doesn't consider our kids as kids but infidels or Kuffar who must be slaughtered.

Let's put an end to the argument whether we should feel sympathy for the Palestinian Kids who are killed by Israeli retaliation. What if I told you the founder of Islam Mohammed himself carried out genocides and even beheading of children? You don't believe me, right? This is directly from the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq written in 7th century and accepted by every mullah worth a salt as the most authentic biography of Mohammed. This link is about Ibn Ishaq. ----> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Ishaq

Read the link below


(The Wiki links are just for introduction to the topics. I am posting it here so that you don't get overwhelmed by all the Islamic theology non sense. For more depth you are always welcome to read the authentic Islamic sources available online.)

What do you say about people who follow this man? Just read the paragraph below.

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Followers of Islam always follow this scumbag as Prophet and have aped everyone of his actions. You know what Mughal bastards did to us? Look at the description of what they did to us.

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Hindu and Sikh Children were killed mercilessly. Look at the man in the middle holding the child upside down. And look at those women garlanded by heads of babies.

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These are not fiction. The brutality of Mughal motherfuckers are documented by themselves. You are talking about a cult founded by human scum of the highest order. And the people who follow this cult blindly without saying a word about Mohammed's actions tells you everything you need to know about what they will do when they have full powers. The below pictures are from Kashmiri Pandit genocide.

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I will leave it you to decide what kind of people we are dealing with.
 
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In this way, we should also lay claim to our land minus the Pakis, Kanglus, Lankans, Talibunnies, Chineyes, Thai, Cambodia etc etc. Either join the Akhand Bharat Union or jump into the sea. Chinese is claiming those territories that isn't even theirs. So why can't we in next 100 years aim to reclaim what we lost.
let it be mate, not going to happen.
 

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