Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

Samaritan

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Well yes, such is the job of an armchair analyst like the ones on DFI

What I am asking is that, whether India could quickly mobilize/declare war etc. with the speed Israel has?
Balacoat has served purpose to give the message . Pak was under assumption that India will never cross the border for what so ever as Pak has nuclear . The strikes served to destroy this and same time it has set and precedence. So Pak knows that they might have to pay heavy price if they so another 26/11.

It dose not rule out any other attempt though . But the question is whom to attack in event of such terror attack. Even though you can link Hamas and Gaza but still Hamas per say could not be taken as every proson in Gaza? Although they have same mentality . So one has to determine its own pouching area for such act.

I see world slowly distensing themselves from Islam and it will start declining of Islam.
 

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Exactly. Why are we so overconfident when we have such a bad track record? Our own women were sawed alive by jihadis, remember girija tickoo? What revenge have RAW or IA taken? And if you say that without the orders of politicians our defence forces won't take a single step, then we are completely at the mercy of politicians.
Imagine if 20-30 infiltrate with all the modern gear? It seems like all these years with the Soviets have given us the habit of winning through attrition warfare.
After all Indian soldiers are just meat shields for the higher officials in army. A colonel and major died by some village boys. imagine what a fully trained terrorist group can do. Technology has advanced a lot and everyone around us is picking on it.
Tell me when Paki jihadis broke the fence with a bulldozer, hundreds roamed in a large area in flat open desert terrain 30-40 kms inside, stole tractors and took hostages back inside Pakistan?
When did Paki jihadis fires thousands of rockets at us?Remember Gaza border is just 42 km
 

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Exactly. Why are we so overconfident when we have such a bad track record? Our own women were sawed alive by jihadis, remember girija tickoo? What revenge have RAW or IA taken? And if you say that without the orders of politicians our defence forces won't take a single step, then we are completely at the mercy of politicians.
Imagine if 20-30 infiltrate with all the modern gear? It seems like all these years with the Soviets have given us the habit of winning through attrition warfare.
After all Indian soldiers are just meat shields for the higher officials in army. A colonel and major died by some village boys. imagine what a fully trained terrorist group can do. Technology has advanced a lot and everyone around us is picking on it.
Anytime a ‘large’ (20-30) group infiltrates you get near chaos in that respective sector, look at PAFF’s antics recently.

Hamas has launched with upwards of 1000 fighters into Israel from literally air, sea and land and enacted about 30 different 26/11s simultaneously

Indian leadership is also just as bad- completely disinterested unless it costs them politically and they can’t sweep the failure under the rug (Uri, Pulwama etc)

https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1711316012426027293?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg
 

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Tell me when Paki jihadis broke the fence with a bulldozer, hundreds roamed in a large area in flat open desert terrain 30-40 kms inside, stole tractors and took hostages back inside Pakistan?
When did Paki jihadis fires thousands of rockets at us?
That’s the point- a lot of cribbing about the failures of IDF here but we all know the sh!tshow Indian forces (particularly the army) pulls fighting a far far smaller and less heavily armed group- ambushing of an entire command element in recent weeks?
 

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I find it very strange that MOSSAD, the world's most feared intelligence agency with the most advanced of snooping devices and a massive presence across their region, was unable to detect this surprise attack. How is it that AMAN (military intelligence), MOSSAD (external intelligence) and SHIN BET (internal intelligence) could not have seen this?

There are some OSINT analyses out there saying that Israel actually knew of this attack but let it happen so as to create a pretext to attack Iran. This is a provocation big enough to justify that. If Iran and Israel collide directly, this would be a disaster.

The stupid mullahs of Tehran have been stoking the embers of war since 1979.
Western and Israeli agencies are more relying on SIGINT and not HUMINT
Which is why they got bloody nose in both Canada and Hamas news
 

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I see world slowly distensing themselves from Islam and it will start declining of Islam.
not a freaking chance. All western nations have been infiltrated by the millions by these guys- see the celebrations on the streets of western cities in recent days so they are a considerable vote bank there (Jews number a tiny fraction), worse they use their position deliberately to get their way and every major party is infiltrated with them and they occupy senior positions of power in major institutions.

the West is so fked you have no idea
 

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Why has Pakistan not provided rockets and Kamikaze drones to LeT, JeM like Hamas has?
Because Pakistan is a properly recognised state with an armed force. When rockets and drones will be fired from their side, no one will deny that PA wasn't involved. It'll be considered as escalation by the State not some tango org. And when India will respond, we won't target terrorist hideouts across the border, we will hit their military infrastructure.

In Kargil, they sent their army personnel as infiltrators saying they are local freedom fighters. IA should have targeted their military HQs. In case of non state actors, proxys etc etc, target terrorist as well as their army personnel.
Raise the bet and force them to fold.
 

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not a freaking chance. All western nations have been infiltrated by the millions by these guys- see the celebrations on the streets of western cities in recent days so they are a considerable vote bank there (Jews number a tiny fraction), worse they use their position deliberately to get their way and every major party is infiltrated with them and they occupy senior positions of power in major institutions.

the West is so fked you have no idea
 

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Anytime a ‘large’ (20-30) group infiltrates you get near chaos in that respective sector, look at PAFF’s antics recently.

Hamas has launched with upwards of 1000 fighters into Israel from literally air, sea and land and enacted about 30 different 26/11s simultaneously

Indian leadership is also just as bad- completely disinterested unless it costs them politically and they can’t sweep the failure under the rug (Uri, Pulwama etc)

https://x.com/ksingh_1469/status/1711316012426027293?s=46&t=8QPJecNQmmoeL0BRyMQdjg
Brother Israel has still managed its demography. But what about India? The Kashmir is as it is. The only difference is that the jihadis there who drove away the Hindus have become prosperous and get shit loads of money from the Government and tourist and agriculture. All those apple orchards, farms which once belonged to Hindus are now in their hands and they are earning in crores. And a huge chunk of money goes directly to fund terror activities and information warfare against India.
 

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Bro, They literally had the president of the most powerful nation on the earth come out and bat for them. The entire western media information warfare machine is reporting in favor of Israelis. Suar Braverman openly called out the Islamists supporting Hamas. But did she say a single word against what Khalis did to our consulate and what the jihadis did in Leceister last year. No. Imagine the outrage in British media if hamas supporters openly vandalized the Israeli consulate.

You know who is really alone and lonely, it's India. Russia has enough natural resources, food and oil & gas to keep them going for another 500 years, Israel has some insanely powerful allies and fully controls the media narrative. What does India have? Neither.

Mark my words if India is attacked, there won't be any US president coming out and giving a 15 minute speech at the white house. Western media will comfortably do a both sides narrative. There won't be any "I stand with 'India'" trending in either Israel or Russia.

All these online nationalist Israel simp bootlickers are just absolutely cringe. Saying this as a hardcore nationalist.
Who needs support ! Prepare for your own battle . Nobody is going to support India. Manufacture your own ammunition and equipment and keep mass production ready. In Fight , we need sophisticated equipment but for survival we need only equipment and arms. Even if make in India prepare substandard defense equipment doesn't matter at least it produces it. We have enough manpower what we will need arms. we must be able to produce it in mass , even if substandard its ok!
 

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