Anything that enables victory of Dharma against these jihadis is a fair game for me. We've had enough honorable warriors in history.
It isn't even Pritviraj Chouan I'm talking about. It's the Hindu kings that reconquered the lands from the muslims but didn't even bother to reconvert the population. Coz what? Honor? And see where we are today.
Lost 1/3rd of land, have 15% of converts, surrounded by 40 crores from our roots that hate us. And how many lives did we lose so far with this kindness?
Not just this one thing, any cruel action, be it—sterilizing them en masse covertly, mass displacement, floods or drought, civil war, if it helps the objective, I don't see any problem with any method used.
I don't understand the hesitation. This is a war declared on us 800 years ago. The war is still going on. The other side is fully aware. Only our side is half-awake and half-asleep!
This war will only end with the death of one side.
What you saw in Israel already has been happening here for the past 800 years. Way worse things both in intensity and scale happened on this land.
We have to win this war.
Agree with you. But would like to clear some misconceptions. Our ancestors did know the value reversing trends, of strength in numbers and did aggressively re-convert all those in re-conquered lands. They were pretty hard core about it. The marathas did put in place policies and systems to re-convert as much as possible given existing social conditions and limitations. I will link my older DFI post that shade more light on this issue. There are stories of Shivaji personally converting his lost friends back into dharma even against wishes of the pundits. Shivaji caged and burned alive portugese missionaries that violated his no-conversion orders. Sikhs when they regained punjab instituted a beef ban and burned at the stake anybody caught eating cow meat. They also ordered neighboring afghans to follow this policy and even they did so fearing their wrath.
The only issue was we did not have enough time spent in power to fully complete the mission. Marathas and sikhs had at best 50 years of near total control over 2/3rd of Indian land mass and that is not enough time to undo 700 years of damage. On top of it, we had 200 years of additional european onslaught that undid all dharmic gains of those 50 years.
However even with all this, we did ok in the medieval times from 12th century to 18th century. Our greatest loss was in 20th century.
We lost more in 20th century of partition, independece and secular rule than we did from 12th century to 19th century of barbaric arab, turkic, mughal and british rule.
This is something that I want to highlight.
We spend disproportionate amount of time focusing on medieval foreign rule but our period of greatest loss is not that period. The absolute worst period for dharma was 1947-2014. Not 12th to 19th century. Heres a breakdown:
Start with 100% of Indian subcontinent following sanatan dharma in 11th century.
AT end of mughal rule in 18th century Indian Hindu population: 80 % So they converted only 20% over 700 years, no big deal. Average conversion rate = 3% per 100 years.
At end of british rule in 20th century Indian hindu population: 75% So europeans converted 5% in 200 years.
Average conversion rate = about 3% per 100 years.
Today in 2013, hindu population of subcontinent = 50% - So 25% converted in 75 years. Conversion rate = 30% per 100 years.
You see last 75 years run rate has been 30% per century while even during the worst of mughal and british times it was 3 % per century. What we are experiencing today is loss of dharma at 10 times higher rate than during mediaeval times. So dont blame our ancestors. they did everything right. Blame our modern leaders of 20th century and recent events.
Further if you look at broader picture the greatest loss of sanatan on global stage also occurred in 20th century.
When china invaded in 1962, it was to deliver a physical punch to dharma so that they can belittle it in front of dharma followers within china. They wanted to do cultural revolution to wipe out budhism and indic influence a few years later in 1965 so ,first they had to war and defeat dharmic homeland - india- in 1962. And thats what they did. Not replying back and accepting defeat lying down was a colossal blunder and result is loss of ONE BILLION followers of dharma within china and loss of influence in east asia.
Indonesia and other recently converted countries were on the fence in early 20th century. They were nominally majority muslims but not codified yet. They were looking at India to see which way it would go. Subhash Chandra Bose and Savarkar had said India needs to expand dharma beyond India and propagate in foreign lands to regain its former glory. And they would have done had they been in power. But instead we got gandhi and nehru that conducted anti-hindu pogoms in their own country and gave a greenlight to around the world to do the same. So all the fence-sitters chose the other side and we lost 300 million dharma followers there.
Same for africa. They followed indigenous religions that were similar to sanatan with local flavors mixed in. Africa went from 80% sanatan in 19th century to 100% abrahimic today in a span of 150 years. Most of it happened after Indian "independence" of 1947. Thats a colossal loss of 1 billion people moving away from us and into the enemy camp.
So you see most of our losses are from 1947-2014 period. Not the mughal or british times. So dont fret too much over those time periods. They didnt matter much in grand scheme of things. What mattered most was our colossal failure and defeats during the independence/partition where we abandoned millions of sanatan brothers and sisters to die in pakistan and bangladesh. What mattered even more was our "secular" Government of India actively worked against interest of Dharma within the country and propagated enemy values in our society and created a legal structure that disfrenchised us. Hell even this forum DFI till 2014 was regurgitating Break-India-forces talking points and narratives.
So the main point is most of our losses are recent. And largely a failure of Indian govt policies and failure of social policies. They have done far more damage in 75 years than 1000 years of foreign slavery. On the flip side, it also means it is relatively easy to do a course correction because all our losses are recent and we know what we did wrong. So lets focus our energies on were they need to be. We still have plenty of numbers and dedicated selfless people to turn this around. Keep working together and we will prevail.
. I remember 2 years back when US left Afghanistan. These sullas of Kangladesh and Porkistan were saying it is the victory of Izalam.
