Israel - Hamas Gaza Conflict Oct-2023

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Not only in India, it's all most universal, regardless of time, space (and lesser degree culture). When you are the head of any institution (nation, corporate, religious etc.) you think and decide for that institution, but there is also an hidden part and ignored, that's the institution makes you think in a certain way and decide for you. You are really never free unless you are Kim Jong Un, but I'm sure that even Kim cant do and decide whatever he wants. Xi and Putin neither.
public administration is all about this , who influences whome? In policy making.
As for public policy analysis many approaches are present:
1)SYSTEMS MODEL FOR POLICY ANALYSIS:
It says that the political system is that part of the
society, which is engaged in the authoritative allocation of values. Inputs are
seen as the physical, social, economic and political products of the environment.
They are received into the political system in the form of both demands and
supports. Demands are the claims made on the political system by individuals
and groups to alter some aspect(s) of public policy.
The supports of a political system consist of the rules, laws and customs that
provide a basis for the existence of a political community and the authorities.
Support is rendered when individuals or groups accept the decisions or laws.
Supports are the symbolic or material inputs of a system (for example, obeying
laws, paying taxes, or even respecting the national flag, etc.) that constitute the psychological and material resources of the system .

2)INSTITUTIONAL MODEL :
Institutional model focuses on the government as an institution for policy analysis.
It covers the realms of key government institutions – Parliament, Executive
(including government departments) and Judiciary. In other words, a policy
does not take the shape unless it is adopted and implemented by governmental
institutions. The government institutions endow public policy with three distinct
characteristics. Firstly, the government invests legal authority to policies.
Secondly, application of a public policy is universal. Only public policies extend
to all citizens in the state. Thirdly, public policy involves coercion. It is applied
to the acts of government in backing up its decisions. A policy conveys the
possibility for imposing penalties, through coercion, if necessary. Only the
government can legally impose negative sanctions on violators of its policies.
As such, there is a close tie-up between public policy and governmental
institutions. The institutional approach to public policy, which depends on the
interactions of those institutions created by the constitution, legislature or
government, has gained significance.

3) RATIONAL POLICY-MAKING MODEL: it's about taking the right decision, some of the probelms are thus given.
Dilemma of Political Feasibility: The dilemma of political feasibility also
confronts every policy maker. The best decision may not be politically
desirable. It may not be a vote-getter. Politicians too often resolve the dilemma
of political feasibility by avoidance of conflict, a safe bet for them. Uncertainty
about the consequences of different policy alternatives may also force
politicians to stick to previous policies. Elected officials do not want to
sacrifice their chances of re-election at the cost of rationality in policy-making.
v) Problem of Cost-Benefit Analysis: It is difficult for the policy-makers to
calculate the cost-benefit ratios accurately when many diverse social,
economic, political and cultural values are at stake. Apart from these, policy-
makers have personal needs, inhibitions and inadequacies, which render them
incapable of assessing all possible alternatives to arrive at a rational decision.
vi) Segmented Nature of Bureaucracy: Another important obstacle to rational
policy-making is what Thomas Dye refers to as the segmented nature of
policy-making in large bureaucracies, which “makes it difficult to coordinate
decision-making so that the input of all of the various specialists is brought
to bear at the point of decision.” Fragmentation of authority, satisfying
personal goals, conflicting values, limited technology, uncertainty about the
possible policy alternatives and consequences thereof, and other factors limit
the capacity of bureaucracies and other public organisations to make rational policies .

4)ELITE MODEL OF POLICY PROCESS:
In political science there is a widely shared view that the policy-making process
is dominated by the most powerful elites. Elite theory of the policy process is
based on the proposition that power is concentrated in the hands of a few elites.
Policy-making, according to the elite theory, is a process which works to the
advantage of these elites. The theory holds that in the real world there are those
at the top with power and others at the bottom - the mass - without power. The
theory also contends, that the elite whose members share common values and
have more money, education and power, governs the masses who are apathetic
and ill-informed about public policy. In an environment, which is characterised
by apathy and information distortion, elites influence mass opinion on policy
issues more than masses influence elite opinion. In this framework policy flows
downward from the elite to the mass. Thus, public policy is viewed as “the
preferences and values of governing elite”. Public officials and administrators
merely implement the policies decided on by the elites

This is how subject of public policy is generally analysed in any country be it democracy or non democratic.
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Putting a bullet into a woman's head is more honorable than forcing your penis inside her and claiming a pyrrhic victory. This again is my opinion.
Anything that enables victory of Dharma against these jihadis is a fair game for me. We've had enough honorable warriors in history.

It isn't even Pritviraj Chouan I'm talking about. It's the Hindu kings that reconquered the lands from the muslims but didn't even bother to reconvert the population. Coz what? Honor? And see where we are today.

Lost 1/3rd of land, have 15% of converts, surrounded by 40 crores from our roots that hate us. And how many lives did we lose so far with this kindness?

Not just this one thing, any cruel action, be it—sterilizing them en masse covertly, mass displacement, floods or drought, civil war, if it helps the objective, I don't see any problem with any method used.

I don't understand the hesitation. This is a war declared on us 800 years ago. The war is still going on. The other side is fully aware. Only our side is half-awake and half-asleep!

This war will only end with the death of one side.

What you saw in Israel already has been happening here for the past 800 years. Way worse things both in intensity and scale happened on this land.

We have to win this war.
 

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When I was a grad student many of these Sooth asian and Indian student orgs at my college were led by Bengalis. I'd keep seeing names like Roychowdhury, Mukherjee etc in leadership posts. Always surprised me. I remember at one event(back in 2019), there were asking us to condemn CAA.

Not saying all Bengalis are like this, but they are definitely overrepresented in this kind of stuff..
Commies likely. Bengali upper middle class.
 

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surely Muslim nations can absorb their fellow Muslims? If not send them to Europe.
Green taking Green refugees ? Naah. Not gonna happen again. Ask Jordan what happens when you accept fellow greens.

And for Europe, I think their honeymoon with ME refugees is almost over.

There are some old magic tricks to solve the population issue but I don't think the Jews can pull it off.
 

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Despite their relatively small size, Israelis are punching way above their weights and have a outsized influence wrt to their size.

Let's note some of them.
1. Gets unconditional support from US. Going to the extent of anyone thinking of taking advantage will incur the wrath of the US.
2. Even though located in the desert and no one really cares about if Syrians, Yemeni etc etc are bombed have rushed to show support to Israel and are expressing outrage about Israeli women, children etc etc.
3. Most head of states of the western world are standing in solidarity with the Israel and have condemned the attacks.
4. Most importantly the narrative is fully on Israel's side. The entire twitter, reddit etc space was flooded with Hamas atrocities and even in a leftist ecochamber like reddit there is lot of Israel support.
5. Media is also not into Israel aggression bs. They are also showing Hamas atrocities. From rags like Daily Mail to Nyt to BBC etc etc.
6. The stage has been set that if Gaza strip is deleted and Palestinians genocided most powerful countries won't bat a eye.
7. Lots of military help from various countries on the way for Israel.

And this is accomplished by a country of what? Only 15 million jews controlling a territory of 22k sq km. Half the population of delhi and a size comparable to the district of Jodhpur.

Imagine what we would be capable of if we tap into our potential like Israel has done. Especially, the Indian communities scattered everywhere around the world backed by the third largest economy, one of the biggest militaries, one of the largest population from which 300 million speak English. All of them channeled into furthering the interests of Bharat and with the aim of establishing Indian supremacy in the years to come and eradicating every last memory of our enemies. We must dominate the world in the coming future. 21st century must belong to us. Not the US. Not the Chinese. No one else. But us.
 

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"Hamas" replied that they had the initiative and that it would be buying time because they had received information that Israel had sent 80 percent of the artillery ammunition to Ukraine and they they have this knowledge that now Israel wants to "buy time"
This might be the reason why IDF is not up to the mark. @ezsasa
 

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public administration is all about this , who influences whome? In policy making.
As for public policy analysis many approaches are present:
1)SYSTEMS MODEL FOR POLICY ANALYSIS:
It says that the political system is that part of the
society, which is engaged in the authoritative allocation of values. Inputs are
seen as the physical, social, economic and political products of the environment.
They are received into the political system in the form of both demands and
supports. Demands are the claims made on the political system by individuals
and groups to alter some aspect(s) of public policy.
The supports of a political system consist of the rules, laws and customs that
provide a basis for the existence of a political community and the authorities.
Support is rendered when individuals or groups accept the decisions or laws.
Supports are the symbolic or material inputs of a system (for example, obeying
laws, paying taxes, or even respecting the national flag, etc.) that constitute the psychological and material resources of the system .

2)INSTITUTIONAL MODEL :
Institutional model focuses on the government as an institution for policy analysis.
It covers the realms of key government institutions – Parliament, Executive
(including government departments) and Judiciary. In other words, a policy
does not take the shape unless it is adopted and implemented by governmental
institutions. The government institutions endow public policy with three distinct
characteristics. Firstly, the government invests legal authority to policies.
Secondly, application of a public policy is universal. Only public policies extend
to all citizens in the state. Thirdly, public policy involves coercion. It is applied
to the acts of government in backing up its decisions. A policy conveys the
possibility for imposing penalties, through coercion, if necessary. Only the
government can legally impose negative sanctions on violators of its policies.
As such, there is a close tie-up between public policy and governmental
institutions. The institutional approach to public policy, which depends on the
interactions of those institutions created by the constitution, legislature or
government, has gained significance.

3) RATIONAL POLICY-MAKING MODEL: it's about taking the right decision, some of the probelms are thus given.
Dilemma of Political Feasibility: The dilemma of political feasibility also
confronts every policy maker. The best decision may not be politically
desirable. It may not be a vote-getter. Politicians too often resolve the dilemma
of political feasibility by avoidance of conflict, a safe bet for them. Uncertainty
about the consequences of different policy alternatives may also force
politicians to stick to previous policies. Elected officials do not want to
sacrifice their chances of re-election at the cost of rationality in policy-making.
v) Problem of Cost-Benefit Analysis: It is difficult for the policy-makers to
calculate the cost-benefit ratios accurately when many diverse social,
economic, political and cultural values are at stake. Apart from these, policy-
makers have personal needs, inhibitions and inadequacies, which render them
incapable of assessing all possible alternatives to arrive at a rational decision.
vi) Segmented Nature of Bureaucracy: Another important obstacle to rational
policy-making is what Thomas Dye refers to as the segmented nature of
policy-making in large bureaucracies, which “makes it difficult to coordinate
decision-making so that the input of all of the various specialists is brought
to bear at the point of decision.” Fragmentation of authority, satisfying
personal goals, conflicting values, limited technology, uncertainty about the
possible policy alternatives and consequences thereof, and other factors limit
the capacity of bureaucracies and other public organisations to make rational policies .

4)ELITE MODEL OF POLICY PROCESS:
In political science there is a widely shared view that the policy-making process
is dominated by the most powerful elites. Elite theory of the policy process is
based on the proposition that power is concentrated in the hands of a few elites.
Policy-making, according to the elite theory, is a process which works to the
advantage of these elites. The theory holds that in the real world there are those
at the top with power and others at the bottom - the mass - without power. The
theory also contends, that the elite whose members share common values and
have more money, education and power, governs the masses who are apathetic
and ill-informed about public policy. In an environment, which is characterised
by apathy and information distortion, elites influence mass opinion on policy
issues more than masses influence elite opinion. In this framework policy flows
downward from the elite to the mass. Thus, public policy is viewed as “the
preferences and values of governing elite”. Public officials and administrators
merely implement the policies decided on by the elites

This is how subject of public policy is generally analysed in any country be it democracy or non democratic.
@Tactical Doge
@Suryavanshi
And to that add the human factor in the team, personal animosity or friendship or rivalry...That's what will give you a dream team that will take on every challenge and do the best or night mare team that will sabotage every thing. It's so easy to criticize our past, present and future leaders, I take the best part of each of them and remain confident that the next one will fix what was not fixed by the previous one...
Majority/Opposition shit show is what it is, a shit show.
 

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And to that add the human factor in the team, personal animosity or friendship or rivalry...That's what will give you a dream team that will take on every challenge and do the best or night mare team that will sabotage every thing. It's so easy to criticize our past, present and future leaders, I take the best part of each of them and remain confident that the next one will fix what was not fixed by the previous one...
Majority/Opposition shit show is what it is, a shit show.
In pubic administration it is called as charmistic authority which means the respect commanded by the leader or the " boss" , mostly used for leaders like castro , che guevera etc but I completely understand what you are saying ,good point indeed
 

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