Iron Fist 2013, Pokhran

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Iron Fist 2013, Pokhran : SU-30MKI & MIG-21 & LCH



Are these the CBU-105 sensor fuzed cluster munitions? I thought they were only mated with the jaguar fleet.

In any case, I hope the three SUs are not flying as close as in the first pic when deploying those munitions. That could be dangerous, for the trio. this happened between two aircraft flying close together during bomb release

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CBU-105 does not deploy chutes post launch, its sub-munitions do. Shape differs too. AFAIK these are dumb cluster bombs.



The ones being released in the pic are these...


Are these the CBU-105 sensor fuzed cluster munitions? I thought they were only mated with the jaguar fleet.

In any case, I hope the three SUs are not flying as close as in the first pic when deploying those munitions. That could be dangerous, for the trio. this happened between two aircraft flying close together during bomb release

Aircraft crash movies download
 

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The BetAB ShP runway cratering bomb is a parachute retarded, rocket powered bomb that nosedives vertically into a runway, penetrating it and then exploding with a delayed fuse.


Are these the CBU-105 sensor fuzed cluster munitions? I thought they were only mated with the jaguar fleet. ]
 

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@Kunal sir i was saying about GPS guided bomb kits, since SU 30 MKI will be doing carpet bombing with 18 bombs



Laser guided kit wont be of much use, as they have to paint each target. Other alternative can be GPS guided bombs, they will drop it beyond the reach of AAA or manpod sam and get away.

plus hope it will be cheap plus with new 17 gram chip it


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...atellite-guidance-integrates-gps-glonass.html

so idea is that single SU 30 MKI will take out entire enemy airport and most of its facilities, with 18 bombs equipped with GPS-glonass, without putting our guys in harms way. This is mostly for fixed target, where as laser guided is mostly for moving targets.
 
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Was out of touch, This is going to be interesting in coming days..

@Kunal sir i was saying about GPS guided bomb kits, since SU 30 MKI will be doing carpet bombing with 18 bombs



http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...atellite-guidance-integrates-gps-glonass.html

so idea is that single SU 30 MKI will take out entire enemy airport and most of its facilities, with 18 bombs equipped with GPS-glonass, without putting our guys in harms way. This is mostly for fixed target, where as laser guided is mostly for moving targets.
 
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@Kunal sir i was saying about GPS guided bomb kits, since SU 30 MKI will be doing carpet bombing with 18 bombs



Laser guided kit wont be of much use, as they have to paint each target. Other alternative can be GPS guided bombs, they will drop it beyond the reach of AAA or manpod sam and get away.

plus hope it will be cheap plus with new 17 gram chip it


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...atellite-guidance-integrates-gps-glonass.html

so idea is that single SU 30 MKI will take out entire enemy airport and most of its facilities, with 18 bombs equipped with GPS-glonass, without putting our guys in harms way. This is mostly for fixed target, where as laser guided is mostly for moving targets.
Well conversion kits using GPS should be easier, and cheaper than an LGB conversion kit. Primarily because the optical sensors are not required and are replaced with GPS/INS receivers, a lot cheaper than the optical sensor.

The other advantage is that laser guidance only works when the target can be kept illuminated. A very difficult job if clouds are present. Then there is the possibility of battlefield smoke. This is what caused the development of the JDAMS.

Though there is one problem that must be kept in mind using GPS guided munitions. This small device worth $30-50 can without effort disrupt a civillian gps signal, masking the original signal. While it has not been used on military signals, such a system should be possible to develop, and with IRAN spoofing the American drone, evidence does exist that GPS guidance can be fooled.

 
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This One is Made for Pakistan ******** me ********* ke Liye :taunt1::taunt1:
Forgive my asking, but it is identical in looks with the GBU-28, especially the front end of the hard target penetrator better known as the bunker buster. And yet it is said that it cannot perform the role of bunker busting. Why so?

This is the GBU-28
 

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Forgive my asking, but it is identical in looks with the GBU-28, especially the front end of the hard target penetrator better known as the bunker buster. And yet it is said that it cannot perform the role of bunker busting. Why so?

This is the GBU-28
The front end is merely the seeker and the tail is the guidance, the main body is what counts as the bunker buster. Bunker busters are specialised bombs, the bomb shown in picture is a general purpose bomb with guidance kit.
 

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The front end is merely the seeker and the tail is the guidance, the main body is what counts as the bunker buster. Bunker busters are specialised bombs, the bomb shown in picture is a general purpose bomb with guidance kit.
Ya, I got that. But I'd like to read what difference a bunker buster has from a general bomb, apart from obviously the delayed fuse and heavier protection.Thanx for the info.

I was just wondering what limits the use of laser guided conversion kit on a bunker buster. Well, it could be that the seeker cannot be attached onto the hardened head of the bunker busting munitions?
 

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Well conversion kits using GPS should be easier, and cheaper than an LGB conversion kit. Primarily because the optical sensors are not required and are replaced with GPS/INS receivers, a lot cheaper than the optical sensor.

The other advantage is that laser guidance only works when the target can be kept illuminated. A very difficult job if clouds are present. Then there is the possibility of battlefield smoke. This is what caused the development of the JDAMS.

Though there is one problem that must be kept in mind using GPS guided munitions. This small device worth $30-50 can without effort disrupt a civillian gps signal, masking the original signal. While it has not been used on military signals, such a system should be possible to develop, and with IRAN spoofing the American drone, evidence does exist that GPS guidance can be fooled.

Thanks for the information. I have learnt something new today.
 

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Even the jdam system which is based on gps guidance is not foolproof.gps signal can be jammed which would mean the jdam bomb hitting a different area far from the target.Such jammers do exists in the arsenal of russia and china.i also remember reading an article that north korea jamming gps signals during a south korea-us exercise which caused jdams to strike far from target.On the other hand laser signal cannot be jammed by any known system which makes laser based guidance jam proof even though unlike jdams it is not an all weather system.
 

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Do the ofb manufacture some kind of bunker buster bombs because it would come in real handy to destroy the paki bunkers?
 

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Though there is one problem that must be kept in mind using GPS guided munitions. This small device worth $30-50 can without effort disrupt a civillian gps signal, masking the original signal. While it has not been used on military signals, such a system should be possible to develop, and with IRAN spoofing the American drone, evidence does exist that GPS guidance can be fooled.

If you the link posted by me that device take into considration three different signals. Plus entire software is made by us. So build in safety to constantly checking with other signals. Plus cant trust Uncle he can switch gps off or give misleading reading. That is why softwear and hardwear is Indian.
 

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If you the link posted by me that device take into considration three different signals. Plus entire software is made by us. So build in safety to constantly checking with other signals. Plus cant trust Uncle he can switch gps off or give misleading reading. That is why softwear and hardwear is Indian.
You have to realise that GPS or any other such signals are emitted from geostationary orbit, 36000km above the surface of the Earth. By the time it reaches earth, the signal becomes pretty weak. Thus even though we might make it at home and encrypt it, this fundamental problem will not go away. The gps jammer, or disrupter are not designed to break the signal code or decypher it. It simply sends out a much more powerful signal to mask or disrupt the original, which is much easier to do.

Then as you pointed out, we have a problem if the Uncles decide to switch off the gps signal, as was done in Kosovo and other conflicts. Thus we can say that GPS is not the silver bullet it is made out to be, and nor is precision bombing an absolute way to success, especially when the methods for both gps and laser are in doubt in war scenario.
 

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