IRAN - a new Enemy ? Iran seizes Indian ship carrying oil from Iraq

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Good point. China has only nominally reduced its Iran imports, whereas we have reduced our Iran imports quite significantly.

However, Iraq Oil is virtually the same as Iran Oil. This is some kind of signalling. Chidu as it is said that we want to increase our Iran imports, perhaps Iran is a bit more impatient and desperate.

Globally, Iran is running out of allies, and if they want to antagonize India its their wish.

We have also shifted focus away from Middle East, now we are Nigerian Oil's largest customer, and also buying significant quantities from Latin America.
Umm... We never needed Iran for oil. But our bets on Afghanistan hinge on Iran virtually. No point in sitting on a 100 billion dollar iron ore field if we can't ship it out. Unless our strategy is to build a consumption economy in Afghanistan and they steel output is to rebuild their country.

Irrespective of either (oil or AFG) the more serious point is that by taking chabahar China shuts us out of our CAR access route. Thereby China achieves complete trade connectivity with the rest of the world and ensures strategic dominance as their navy will be overlooking our trade with the gulf.
 

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Deadlock with Iran over seized oil tanker continues - Times Of India

NEW DELHI: Despite hectic parleys between the two countries, India and Iran failed to resolve the issue of MT Desh Shanti which, according to Indian authorities, was illegally detained by Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) on Tuesday. The vessel is still at Bandar Abbas port.

Iran said the tanker was detained only because of the warning issued by the Marine Emergency Mutual Aid Center (MEMAC) that is affiliated to the Regional Organization for Protection of Maritime Environment (ROPME) in the Persian Gulf and the Oman Sea.


India, however, continues to maintain that the tanker, which was carrying crude from Iraq when it was detained, did not leave any oily ballast in Iranian waters and was not even carrying any cargo on July 30 â€" the day it is said to have polluted Iranian waters. As TOI first reported on Thursday, IRGC detained the ship carrying 140,000 tonnes of Iraq crude on August 13 and coerced it into Iranian waters before finally taking it to Bandar Abbas port. The vessel has been subjected to two rounds of inspection.

"This is purely a technical and non political issue and the officials of the shipping authorities of the two countries are engaged in constructive and positive interaction to resolve it according to the international law as soon as possible," said Iranian high commission in a statement here, adding that diplomatic channels of two countries are also involved in supporting this interaction.

Indian officials said even if there is an environmental issue â€" that the Shipping Corporation of India (SCI) has denied vehemently â€" there are standard international norms to handle these and that Tehran should adhere to them. While Iran had earlier sought an anti-pollution undertaking from the ship captain for releasing the ship, its foreign ministry spokesperson said Iran must be indemnified in accordance with the law. "This ship has caused widespread pollution in the Persian Gulf, and under international regulations we were obliged to stop the ship for investigation," he was quoted as having told an Iranian news agency.

Indian officials say the ship should never have been detained by Iran under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which Iran has signed but not ratified, and 1958 Geneva Convention on the Territorial Sea and Contiguous Zone that is ratified by Tehran.

According to SCI officials, the ship had been fully inspected by port authorities in Iraq but there was no evidence of any pollution. SCI maintained that the ship's tanks were confirmed to be dry by independent agencies and surveyors the day it is alleged to have discharged oily ballast.

"Maritime authorities and International surveyors have inspected the ship, which is only nine years old, built in 2004. It was alleged that it caused pollution on July 30th but the fact remains that the tanker was not carrying crude on that date," a shipping ministry official told PTI.
 

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Iran is already making himself isolated from global community and now he is directly taking a toss with India....Time to test some Agni-III n IV's in Irani Balochistan....
 

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My money is on Indian media making a mountain out of a molehill.
 

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My money is on Indian media making a mountain out of a molehill.
If this is true (and unfortunately, I think it is), then it has only negative implications for India. It means our media is increasingly losing its independence and toeing the Western (U.S. in particular) line.
 

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That's stupid.

Iran as the enemy?

No chance. Oil spillage is a serious offence and there is nothing for the regime to fume at.

Pay the damages and they will release the ship.

Simple as that.

It is ridiculous that the government doesn't even know the rules of maritime transport or doesn't have an expert in the same.
 

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Good point. China has only nominally reduced its Iran imports, whereas we have reduced our Iran imports quite significantly.

However, Iraq Oil is virtually the same as Iran Oil. This is some kind of signalling. Chidu as it is said that we want to increase our Iran imports, perhaps Iran is a bit more impatient and desperate.

Globally, Iran is running out of allies, and if they want to antagonize India its their wish.

We have also shifted focus away from Middle East, now we are Nigerian Oil's largest customer, and also buying significant quantities from Latin America.
We need a land access into CAR for direct oil supply.

And the only way of seeing that is to take drastic measures against Pakistan.

Increase funding to separatism, covert operations and try massive sabotage and shoot and scoot tactics so bad that they collapse.

But for that amount of needling, we need time which oil cannot wait for.

If Indira had bargained POK in exchange for the 93,000 POWs, we would have had direct connection of land to CAR and Russian oil and gas pipelines could have directly connected India.

One MAJOR blunder by an otherwise strong leader.
 

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Iran has seized a oil tanker and NOT and Indian Navy ship so don't think too much now.

Iran has few friends left and India is still overall friendly to Iran.

Let's see how this is solved.
 

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Iranian official: P&I insurance should pay for Indian oil tanker's damage

TEHRAN (FNA)- The Indian oil tanker, MT Desh Shanti, which was intercepted by the Iranian Navy as it was carrying Iraqi oil through the Persian Gulf is in the custody of Hormozgan Ports and Maritime Office, a senior official said, reiterating that the vessel should compensate through its protection and indemnity (P&I) insurance coverage for the pollution it has caused.

Iranian official: P&I insurance should pay for Indian oil tanker's damage
 

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We need a land access into CAR for direct oil supply.

And the only way of seeing that is to take drastic measures against Pakistan.

Increase funding to separatism, covert operations and try massive sabotage and shoot and scoot tactics so bad that they collapse.

But for that amount of needling, we need time which oil cannot wait for.

If Indira had bargained POK in exchange for the 93,000 POWs, we would have had direct connection of land to CAR and Russian oil and gas pipelines could have directly connected India.

One MAJOR blunder by an otherwise strong leader.
It wouldn't have come to that if not for the west and china. Without exchanging we would have sliced up pakis after bangladesh got independence but we were threatened with nukes by nato.
 

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Updated: August 21, 2013 23:59 IST
Deepening of India-Iran energy ties, a win-win outcome

ATUL ANEJA

Falling rupee value, growing ties of Iran with Asia, make them natural partners

India and Iran seem set to reinforce their energy ties — a move that could help New Delhi arrest the sharp decline in the value of the rupee versus the dollar, and benefit Tehran, which has been badly hit by unilateral sanctions marshalled by the United States.

For the first time since April, the Mangalore Refinery and Petrochemicals Ltd. (MRPL) has received 85,000 metric tonnes of Iranian crude. Bloomberg quoted MRPL managing director P.P. Upadhya as saying the cargo had been received on August 17, and three more shipments of a similar size are in the pipeline. "This is the first cargo we've got from Iran this financial year and we'll see how many more we can import in the rest of the year," said Mr. Upadhya. "The same ship has returned to Iran and will bring the additional cargoes."

The transaction follows a comment in Parliament earlier this month by Finance Minister P. Chidambaram, signalling that India could buy more from Iran, as part of a string of steps to the defend the falling rupee. "Within the U.N. sanctions and fully complying with the sanctions, there may be more space for imports from Iran," said Mr. Chidambaram.

Iran's Fars News Agency had earlier reported that India and Iran had explored avenues to bolster their energy ties during talks, late in May, between Iran's visiting former Oil Minister Rostam Qassemi and his Indian counterpart, M. Veerappa Moily.

India complies with U.N. sanctions, but has, in line with emerging countries such as China and Russia, opposed the imposition of unilateral energy sanctions against Iran by the Obama-administration.

The Obama administration has passed the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability and Divestment Act (CISADA), which seeks to starve import-dependent Iran of gasoline and other refined products, by serving notice to foreign gasoline exporting countries that the continuation of their dealings with Tehran could compromise their business activities in the United States. Separately, the U.S.-led sanctions also target Iran's Central Bank by penalising all foreign financial institutions that do business with it.

Unlike payments for its oil imports in dollars with other countries, India and Iran have worked out a complex mechanism that allows India to pay for its oil in rupees, which are then converted into physical goods that flow into Iran. The payments are made to the Kolkata-based UCO bank where the Iranians have opened an account. The rupee deposit is then used to pay Indian exporters, obviating the demand for dollars, and lowering the pressure on the currency to rise.

The Hindu Business Line had earlier reported that India's exports to Iran in 2012-13 had jumped by 39.4 per cent to $3.36 billion over the previous year.

Insurance fund

According to Bloomberg, India has been preparing a $314-million insurance fund to cover future imports, as Indian insures declined to cover refineries process Iranian oil. On their part, the Iranians have this year taken delivery of seven supertankers, all made in China, to escape the sanctions dragnet.

In combating sanctions, Iran has made a conscious effort to orient its trade and commercial ties towards the "East", by consciously forging new economic bonds with countries such as China, India, South Korea, Japan, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

By the first quarter of 2013, 75 per cent of Iran's trade has been channelled to Asia, and only 25 per cent towards the rest of the world.

The decline in trade with the EU is startling. From €27.8 billion in 2011, trade with the EU plunged to €12.8 billion dollars in 2012.
 

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It wouldn't have come to that if not for the west and china. Without exchanging we would have sliced up pakis after bangladesh got independence but we were threatened with nukes by nato.
Soviet Union offered a guaranteed nuke protection against all NATO + China then.

That's the reason why Chinese didn't dare to intervene in our war against Pakistan.

When US sent its carrier, Soviet nuclear submarines were already there in BOB.

And USSR was a very strong and ideology-base ally that we had; always reliable in such matters.

There is more to it than meets the eye as to why Indira didn't do it.

I suspect money changed hands.

It is almost impossible to believe that someone would just let go of 93,000 POWs without bargaining hard for our own territory which enemies captured in previous war.

That was the last opportunity we had to secure connection with CAR.

Now see where this country is today.
 

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Two questions...
Here are my views ! I might not be 100% right.

why would Iran try to extort money from its friend India
Post US sanctions, India reduced oil imports from Iran, Iran had to show some displeasure. Iran is in badly need of money, they would take any measures to gain some monitory funds. By the way, I would not consider Iran as India's friend. It's just a give and take relationship what we have/had with them.


why didn't India retaliate?
It's million $ question ! To be frank enough, our current govt. is impotent and they don't have balls to retaliate.
 

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iranis are terrorists like there neighbor pakhana.
they helped pakistan in all wars against india.at the end of the day they too are like pakhanas and wannabe thekedars of islam like pakhanas.

we should treat them as business partner and nothing else.
 

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iranis are terrorists like there neighbor pakhana.
they helped pakistan in all wars against india.at the end of the day they too are like pakhanas and wannabe thekedars of islam like pakhanas.

we should treat them as business partner and nothing else.
Absolutely right !

Iran helped Pak during Indo-Pak war during Shah's rule, Post Shah's rule things have changed diplomatically and Iran got involved in a huge war with Iraq, war was damn damn expensive for Iran and Iran wanted some relief as the others have isolated Iran.India wanted cheap oil and Iran wanted to sell their oil, it was just a mutual agreement. India and Iran both pretended as friends, that's it.

If India had a direct border with Iran, we wouldn't be singing this so called friendship song in front of whole world.
 

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Iran isn't enemy of India today. India needs Iran to encircle Pakistan, a common enemy of both them. Iran-India cooperation is the only chance to pull off the Afghanistan from paki hands, as exemplified in Chabahar port and roads

And India needs also the Iranian gas to sustain its economical growth. In other hand Iran needs access to the important Indian energy market to escape from international oil sales sanction.

The main hope to Iranians increase their revenues is the IPI pipeline. If the relations with India deteriorates, Iran can forget the IPI.
How can iran be Pak enemy
 

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How can iran be Pak enemy
Etarnal Islamic conflict of succession called Shia-Sunni conflict started form the days of massacre of Prophet's whole family and elimination of his bloodline by Sunnis!:cool2:
 
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