INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[WolfPack86]

Indian army will buy 5000 JVPC.

 

[WolfPack86]

‘Made in India’ hinges on existing small arms manufacturers. Global players come and go
In a bid to promote ‘atmanirbharta’ within India’s small arms manufacturing industry, the Narendra Modi government has initiated a fresh process to procure carbines to replace its decades-old 9mm British Sterling 1A1 submachine guns—a project that began in 2008. The Ministry of Defence gave Acceptance of Necessity (AoN), the first step in any defence procurement process, to the plans to induct approximately four lakh of these weapons. And the administration is correct. This is a mega deal for the industry and would ensure that Indian companies benefit.

While the defence ministry remains tight-lipped on whether the procurement will take place through the Buy Indian category or the Indigenously Designed, Developed and Manufactured (IDDM) route, sources in the defence and security establishment told ThePrint that it would be through the former. Under IDDM, the competition would have been between only three firms, out of which the Bengaluru-based SSS Defence, which has come out with an indigenous carbine called the M72, would be the only private firm. The other two in competition would have been the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Ordnance Factory Board.

But the good thing about the Buy Indian category is that it opens up the competition to include those companies that have set up plants in India or are in the process of doing so in collaboration with a foreign Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). For example, PLR Systems, now part of the Adani Group, has a tie-up with the Israeli Weapons Industry (IWI) and are already manufacturing its small arms with a ‘Made in India’ tag on them.

There are other companies too, which have already tied up with a foreign OEM, have either set up plants or are in the process of doing so. This includes the Kalyani Group, which has a tie-up with French firm Thales but is also in talks with the DRDO; the Jindal Group, which has tied up with a Brazilian firm called Taurus and Neco Desert Tech, a joint venture between Indian and American firms.

The process matters
This is where India must draw a line. The Request for Proposal (RFP), also known as a tender, should mention that such companies would be given preference. It cannot be a global RFP where multiple companies across the world offer their product and say they will invest in India after bagging the contract. This would be unfair to firms who have already invested their money and time to set up a manufacturing facility and have been waiting for orders.

SSS Defence is one such example. It has an array of small, indigenous arms products but is yet to get any order from the Services or the police forces. But that’s a given, since they have to bid and compete, which they are doing with multiple police forces trying out their systems. The indigenous firm, which has worked closely with various Indian security agencies to finetune their weapon, could bag a contract.

Another example is PLR Systems, which is locally manufacturing the best Israeli weapons in India that the Armed Forces and even state police use. Those weapons were bought when the joint venture didn’t exist but any follow-up order for the contracts already inked in the past by the Army has to still go to the Israeli company.

As reported earlier, this is because if an order is given to PLR Systems, the name of the company changes and that would mean a fresh procurement process. So the Armed Forces give fresh orders to IWI directly, which manufactures the weapons in Israel and sends them over to India.

The Army is inducting the IWI-supplied LMGs, even when the joint venture is capable of manufacturing it indigenously with many elements ‘Made in India’. So what does PLR Systems do in the meantime? Apply for fresh tenders and wait.

PLR Systems is likely to field the Galil Ace 21 carbine that is now manufactured in India. Interestingly, the Ace 21 was chosen by the Army in an earlier attempt (2013-14) to buy carbines but the deal could not go through because of a single vendor situation, a condition that does not allow going ahead, under the Indian defence procurement rules. It is therefore important to incentivise companies who have already invested in India for the carbine deal.

It is natural that with the news of India planning to procure nearly four lakh carbines, many foreign and domestic companies would be in frenzy to announce tie-ups. But their actual investment and work will depend on whether they bag the contract or not. So it would be completely unfair to pit companies who have already invested and manufactured arms here against global players who have not done so.

‘Made in India’ hinges on existing small arms manufacturers. Global players come and go

Army's initiative to procure carbines to replace its decades-old British Sterling submachine guns is a chance for Indian companies to benefit.

theprint.in

 

[samsaptaka]

Indian army will buy 5000 JVPC.

What ! Just 5000 ! Corruption corruption, import army....GoI silent spectator. This is beyond ridiculuous.
IA is ok for their cannon fodder jawans to wear WW2 era tin helmets, sterling carbines but cannot order more modern JVPC to replace sterlings ?
I mean its not even rocket science to put 2 and 2 together that procurement in IA is rigged by a corrupt lobby.

 

[tomthounaojam]

After a long time saw this version of INSAS Excalibur.

 

[JBH22]

Indian army will buy 5000 JVPC.

Is it the JVPC unfit as carbines for tank or Heptor crews. Like Russian fitted their crews with AK-74su

 

[fooLIam]

What ! Just 5000 ! Corruption corruption, import army....GoI silent spectator. This is beyond ridiculuous.
IA is ok for their cannon fodder jawans to wear WW2 era tin helmets, sterling carbines but cannot order more modern JVPC to replace sterlings ?
I mean its not even rocket science to put 2 and 2 together that procurement in IA is rigged by a corrupt lobby.

While we complain about blantant corruption and their ignorance of their profession what is the political class or boss of adgpi not shoving down Indian made equipment’s down their throat or simply fire them. It is political class job to reform rotten institution.(no offence to front line soldiers who actually had to give price for all corruption, lack of professionalism,ignorance in so called “officers”. should have made outright new institutions instead of carry forward with erstwhile British institutions whose sole responsibility was colonisation and plundering of resource rather than nation building.

 

[Chinmoy]

After a long time saw this version of INSAS Excalibur.

AR is using it for a long time.

 

[Raj Malhotra]

DRDO-ARDE-OFB has 4 series of carbines:-

1. INSAS based 5.56x45
2. Trichy AK based 7.62x39
3. CQB 5.56*45 similar to SIGs
4. MCIWS modified to single caliber 5.56x45 similar to HK 416 in 5.56x45 and other calibers

 

[HariPrasad-1]

DRDO-ARDE-OFB has 4 series of carbines:-

1. INSAS based 5.56x45
2. Trichy AK based 7.62x39
3. CQB 5.56*45 similar to SIGs
4. MCIWS modified to single caliber 5.56x45 similar to HK 416 in 5.56x45 and other calibers

Ex caliber?

 

[Raj Malhotra]

Excalibur, Kalantak, INSAS 1C all fall under the heading INSAS

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Excalibur, Kalantak, INSAS 1C all fall under the heading INSAS

Ok.

 

[tomthounaojam]

AR is using it for a long time.

Yes, but then the hand grip is changed with the newer version, not this legacy one.

 

[WolfPack86]

When Sig 716 & AK-203 failed, INSAS comes to rescue #indianarmy

 

[BlackViking]

Which entity manufactures INSAS' magazine?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Which entity manufactures INSAS' magazine?

Ordnance Factory Dum Dum makes 20 and 30 round clear polymer magazines and 5.56x45 ammunition for INSAS.

 

[Hari Sud]

I am curious to know more about the stalked AK-203 rifle. Do we have it or don’t we?

Too much Russian mess. They are trying to mislead us by saying the Ukraine war. In fact they do not wish to proceed at the agreed price.

What alternatives do we have?

May be the INSAS rifle is alright except it is being foul mouthed by interested parties.

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

I am curious to know more about the stalked AK-203 rifle. Do we have it or don’t we?

Too much Russian mess. They are trying to mislead us by saying the Ukraine war. In fact they do not wish to proceed at the agreed price.

What alternatives do we have?

May be the INSAS rifle is alright except it is being foul mouthed by interested parties.

We have 70k 203 directly imported
Local one yet to be delivered

 

[prateikf]

I am curious to know more about the stalked AK-203 rifle. Do we have it or don’t we?

Too much Russian mess. They are trying to mislead us by saying the Ukraine war. In fact they do not wish to proceed at the agreed price.

What alternatives do we have?

May be the INSAS rifle is alright except it is being foul mouthed by interested parties.

Alternatives are many - we can buy from SSS Defence, Adani defence which produces IWI small arms, CZ-807 too is an option.

 

[AshishSandhu]

Good news

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ops-new-assault-rifle/articleshow/7740063.cms

The Ordnance Factory of Tiruchi (OFT) has designed and developed an indigenous assault rifle matching the specifications of the AK47.

"When put into use by our armed forces and other security agencies, the rifle will be recognized as pride of India. It has been indigenously developed and has all the features of AK-47,'' said A K Prabhakar, OFT general manager, in an interaction with reporters on the sidelines of OFT Day celebrations. OFT, one among 41 such factories in the country, was established 45 years ago on the outskirts of the city.

To mark the contribution of the Tiruchi factory in developing the rifle, officials have decided to christen it "Trichy Assault Rifle,'' Prabhakar said. Field trials have been done for the 7.62mm caliber rifle with a range of 400 metres. "The rifle has been successfully tried by the Indian Army,'' Prabhakar said. It features a foldable butt and boasts of night vision device besides telescopic day vision system.

OFT has also developed a hand-held multi-shell launcher. The weapon of 38mm calibre with a range of 400 metres could fire six shells at a time. It could be used for firing grenades and tear gas shells.

Prabhakar said this was the first time that OFT was coming out with an "internal security weapon", or a riot control device in common parlance. "One batch of the device has been supplied to CRPF and many states have evinced interest in buying it for their police force,'' he said.

Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project (HAAP), another ordnance unit and the only one in the country to produce anti-tank projectiles, has also received overwhelming response for its indigenous anti-submarine rockets.

HAPP general manager B Pugazhendi said the Indian navy had placed bulk orders for the six-kilometre range anti-submarine rockets named RGB 60 developed by HAPP.

HAPP had dispatched 12 units of RGB 12, another version of the anti-submarine rockets, to the Navy last year. "With inhouse research and development efforts, HAPP has also developed 120mm caliber and 125mm calibre MK-II anti-tank projectiles,'' Pugazhendi said.

HAPP has chalked out a modernization plan for enhancing the production of MK-II projectiles. "Very soon, the blueprint for modernization will be submitted to the ordnance factory board that will in turn forward it to defence ministry for clearance,'' he said.

But I am disappointed that the rifle has all features of a Russian rifle design. It would be much proud feeling to know if the rifle was designed indigenously rather than making it like other design.

 

[zathura98]

But I am disappointed that the rifle has all features of a Russian rifle design. It would be much proud feeling to know if the rifle was designed indigenously rather than making it like other design.

welcome to forum bro , may i ask how young are you?