INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[abingdonboy]

Good to see our own sniper rifle . [emoji4]

But , is there any solid reason for why this rifle can or should replace dragunov ?

This rifle is a lot heavier then dragunov .

Rate of fire is less , as it is manually operated and dragunov is gas operated semi automatic .

It uses 7.62×51mm and dragunov uses 7.62×54mm so has less effective range and muzzle velocity then dragunov .

Barrel length of dragunov is less then this rifle but still has more effective range , so more maneuverability .



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The Dragonov is a designated marksmen rifle not s sniper rifle, it doesn't even have a bipod. The IA hasn't really been using true sniper rifles until now at a squad level, that needs to change.

 

[abingdonboy]

Moreover few days back a batch of AR had to be taken back and polymer butts were replaced with wood as far as news goes.

Which rifles were these? And what unit were they from?

 

[abingdonboy]

Wood is what IA has insisted on.

Indicitive of the IA's backwards mindset IMO. When the rest of the world is switching to modern materials like polymor they are still insisting on wood? Sorry, it's not good enough.

 

[Chinmoy]

Which rifles were these? And what unit were they from?

@Kunal Biswas had put this news in here few days back. Hope he could help out with it. Most probably as far as I remember its INSAS 1B1

Indicitive of the IA's backwards mindset IMO. When the rest of the world is switching to modern materials like polymor they are still insisting on wood? Sorry, it's not good enough.

Not exactly. Wood is no doubt a bit heavy then polymers, but when it comes to durability its much better. Moreover when it comes to furniture, wood or polymer doesn't trip the scale a lot. Moreover look at any of the rugged Sniper Rifle around you. You would find the use of traditional wood or steel in it more then Polymer.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I have explained in depth, below photos i posted at post number #1843

The reason IA as well as paramilitary wanted a wood instead of fiber, It make sense given our training and food.

Indicitive of the IA's backwards mindset IMO. When the rest of the world is switching to modern materials like polymor they are still insisting on wood? Sorry, it's not good enough.

Not exactly. Wood is no doubt a bit heavy then polymers, but when it comes to durability its much better. Moreover when it comes to furniture, wood or polymer doesn't trip the scale a lot. Moreover look at any of the rugged Sniper Rifle around you. You would find the use of traditional wood or steel in it more then Polymer.

 

[armyofhind]

Indicitive of the IA's backwards mindset IMO. When the rest of the world is switching to modern materials like polymor they are still insisting on wood? Sorry, it's not good enough.

I think wood has a higher durability and lesser tendency to warp or twist under extreme climate conditions.
For a precision manufactured weapon like a sniper rifle, the slightest shift of zero can result in an adverse effect to accuracy.

 

[rishivashista13]

I think wood has a higher durability and lesser tendency to warp or twist under extreme climate conditions.
For a precision manufactured weapon like a sniper rifle, the slightest shift of zero can result in an adverse effect to accuracy.

Yes , for sniper rifles you can prefer to increase weight for better accuracy . But it is less useful for assault rifles , as weight of rifle is a big and game changing factor there .

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[Kunal Biswas]

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A camouflaged INSAS 1B1 at thar desert, In hands of 10th Para SF.

 

[sbm]

Kunal how widely issued are night-vision weapon sights to Indian infantry? Or the overall issue of NVGs etc?

 

[Adioz]

The IA hasn't really been using true sniper rifles until now at a squad level, that needs to change.

IMHO snipers would be a battalion commander asset, like the Ghatak platoon, and not integral to every section.

But , is there any solid reason for why this rifle can or should replace dragunov ?

AFAIK, Designated marksmen in IA squads are trained to engage targets at 800m. MGs at 500m and rifles at 350m. Marksmen therefore need to move with the squad and hence need more mobility, so polymer furniture can be preferred. Semi-automatic is also a preference. Dragunov is the right choice

True snipers OTOH, are either a buddy pair (shooter and spotter) or solo. They conduct reconnaissance and harassment or even suppression and ambush, but as stand-alone teams with minimum support from their unit. They conduct these actions from a well concealed position and out of detection range of their enemy. And hence rifle weight is not that big a factor. Also, since the enemy cannot immediately retaliate, semi-automatic is undesirable (as bolt-action gives improved accuracy). Ishapore sniper is the right choice.

Moreover, designated marksmen use high mobility and semi automatic rifles while quick-scoping, whereas snipers use heavier and bolt-action rifles with a silencer and assassin perk and shoot by camping and hard scoping.

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[hammer head]

IMHO snipers would be a battalion commander asset, like the Ghatak platoon, and not integral to every section.

AFAIK, Designated marksmen in IA squads are trained to engage targets at 800m. MGs at 500m and rifles at 350m. Marksmen therefore need to move with the squad and hence need more mobility, so polymer furniture can be preferred. Semi-automatic is also a preference. Dragunov is the right choice

True snipers OTOH, are either a buddy pair (shooter and spotter) or solo. They conduct reconnaissance and harassment or even suppression and ambush, but as stand-alone teams with minimum support from their unit. They conduct these actions from a well concealed position and out of detection range of their enemy. And hence rifle weight is not that big a factor. Also, since the enemy cannot immediately retaliate, semi-automatic is undesirable (as bolt-action gives improved accuracy). Ishapore sniper is the right choice.

Its been some time since the Indian Army has been employing a new approach at company level, Which is MOST ( Mission Oriented Small Team). We are aware that infantry battalion has a ghatak platoon which comprises of a limited strength and it contains Best of the boys from various rifles company, On the same pattern the the Rifle company's have come up with their own leaner version of Ghataks. Weapons authorised to an Infantry battalion are distributed along with the sector weapons to the MOST an if ask me they pack quite a serious punch.

 

[hammer head]

MISSION ORIENTED SMALL TEAM

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Infantry primary night vision is Passive night sight devices mounted on INSAS series weapons, Besides these every unit have sufficient helmet mounted Night Vision devices of second generation ..

Kunal how widely issued are night-vision weapon sights to Indian infantry? Or the overall issue of NVGs etc?

 

[sthf]

MISSION ORIENTED SMALL TEAM

This looks like platoon hq along with the platoon commander.

 

[sbm]

Infantry primary night vision is Passive night sight devices mounted on INSAS series weapons, Besides these every unit have sufficient helmet mounted Night Vision devices of second generation ..

So does every soldier have a PNV device for the INSAS? Don't see many helmet mounted sights and it was once said only 1 in every 3 or 4 soldiers have them? Has this improved ?It would be a great thing.

 

[hammer head]

This looks like platoon hq along with the platoon commander.

Buddy a platoon has 3 section strength in it, i.e 30 men along with an officer, MOST are basically utilised in LC environment and CI city grid as conventional norm for a section and platoon strength are not applicable in above mentioned conditions. At company level apart from the strength required to man the posts boy are extracted for exclusive purposes.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its strictly based on requirement and situation ..

So does every soldier have a PNV device for the INSAS? Don't see many helmet mounted sights and it was once said only 1 in every 3 or 4 soldiers have them? Has this improved ?It would be a great thing.

 

[sbm]

Its strictly based on requirement and situation ..

Thanks Kunal. Is there an overall shortage or are things in this sphere improving?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

There is nothing shortage of anything, Just simple training and follow up of old procedure ..

For example, 1B1 has rail for mounting optics and their is optics for 1B1 but not issued to every solider.

Thanks Kunal. Is there an overall shortage or are things in this sphere improving?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Inherited one of qualities of SLR ..