- Oct 23, 2020
Seriously does this forum not have moderators? I thought this was Vinshal thread, not Indian Naval strategy...
I heard IAF's BRD Ozhar will be roped in along with sufficient stock of spares to address maintenance issues. Also 1 strategy for the payload that I was told by a retired naviator is to take off with max weapons and min fuel load for a given mission configuration, and then quickly get refueled via a dedicated buddy refueler. This does limit the total jets you can launch though because a few are always reserved as buddy refuelers.I have no problem with INS Vishal or more Indian Navy carriers, as long as they are CATOBAR carriers that operate Rafale or something better. The Mig-29K operating from STOBAR carrier is a maintenance headache, and doesn't carry enough of a payload when operating from a STOBAR carrier.
To certain extent, what you said is right.We have the largest permanent carrier the PLA Navy can never match. We have INS Andaman & Nicobar waiting to pour some serious lead on PLA carriers. If we can convert minicoy in Lakshadweep into another permanent combined command, then PLA Navy carriers will be toast wherever they go.
It's good that they are trying to resolve Mig-29k maintenance issues, but given its limitations I would not recommend another STOBAR carrier with Mig-29k: That includes the buddy refuelling, which as you said, limits the number of Mig-29k that can operate at one time.I heard IAF's BRD Ozhar will be roped in along with sufficient stock of spares to address maintenance issues. Also 1 strategy for the payload that I was told by a retired naviator is to take off with max weapons and min fuel load for a given mission configuration, and then quickly get refueled via a dedicated buddy refueler. This does limit the total jets you can launch though because a few are always reserved as buddy refuelers.
Cannot engage in a discussion with you until you answer the question: are you a 50 cent troll paid by the CCP for every post and you dont bother about content? I consider 50 cent trolls as the people with the lowest IQ on the planet.To certain extent, what you said is right.
On the other hand, these islands have one big weakness comparing to aircraft carriers: they DON'T MOVE.
People here always ignore the precondition of the scenario that PLAN comes to Indian Ocean to challenge: they need a military basis in South East Asian countries, otherwise it is just a suicide mission for them. However, once they got one (i.e Myanmar, Thailand, Malaysia), the advantage brought by Andaman island will disappear.
So, the key between IN and PLAN is south east Asia, not those islands.
Two words: Diego Garcia, enough to make the PLA Navy piss in their underwear (lovingly made by Pakshitstan slaves).In relation to my previous post, this is what China has already been trying to do in the Indian Ocean:
New Delhi: The time where the whole world is struggling with the corona epidemic. China is engaged in building an artificial island 684 km from India...|News Trackenglish.newstracklive.com
China is developing an artificial island in Indian ocean to trap India
The time where the whole world is struggling with the corona epidemic. China is engaged in building an artificial island 684 km from India. China is presenting a strategic challenge directly to India by creating a new island in the Indian Ocean on the lines of South China Sea. This has been revealed recently through satellite photographs. These photos have been released by the open-source intelligence analyst Datresfa.
Former Maldives President Abdulla Yameen leased 16 islands of his country to Chinese companies during his rule in 2016. China is undertaking large scale construction work on these islands. According to experts, there is an attempt to surround India on such a large scale investment by China in these islands. China has trapped many countries in a debt trap, Hannes Christenson, director of the Nuclear Information Project of Sipri (CIPRI), an international organization tracking arms procurement, has tweeted that Maldives' Yamuni government in Maldives Was leased to China for four million dollars.
He said that now China is plotting to encircle India here under the belt and road initiative on the lines of South China Sea. China has embroiled many countries in the Indian Ocean in its debt trap.
Along with turning its own strategically located islands into fortresses, India should also work with Maldives to build an air/navy/missile base there. It would be better to spend India's limited resources on such strategically located air/naval bases than another STOBAR aircraft carrier with limited effectiveness.
I don't trust that the Biden administration/democrats will not neuter US response in case of PLA Navy attack on Andaman and Nicobar. China has leverage on Biden. Watch this and read the accompanying report:Two words: Diego Garcia, enough to make the PLA Navy piss in their underwear (lovingly made by Pakshitstan slaves).
We do need to lease (or buy outright) an island from Maldives or Mauritius or one of the French islands, and setup a base there. Or, establish a great base in minicoy island in the Lakshadweep. But all this costs money which we really don't need to spend when Diego Garcia is there.
The US can never be trusted whoever the president is. But the real difference these days is US politicians and governance systems have become corrupt as hell these days. The amount of corruption in Congress is huge and many senators keep getting reelected despite significant corruption cases. It is the new normal for them. They are reverting to how they were a few decades go - mafia, corruption etc as growth becomes scarce and most people are unable to even get a whiff of the 'American Dream'. We have to just calibrate our policies to deal with this new corrupt American system. Since we are equally or far more corrupt, lol, potentially offering Biden's or Kamala Harris' family some deals in India (like we promoted Trump Towers) to get some leverage would be a great starting point. Kamala Harris especially being of Indian descent could be bribed with some stuff like spectacular lands in a Himalayan state or ownership in an EV factory or tech company in India which can grow exponentially in value. The new US is all transactional and is all about who has the money to corrupt and drive change. Trump's family is extremely corrupt, criminal as well, and we dealt with that. US is becoming more and more like India - criminalized politics, hard to prosecute leadership, misuse of laws for political vendetta, etc. And bribing becoming the only way to get things done. We should be very comfortable with this. The only issue is: will China outspend us and the US will revert to becoming a 'friend' of China. In that case, yes, we can kiss Quad goodbye (it is really a diad, Japan and Australia have already shown weak interest in Quad by sending just 1 ship each to Ex. Malabar, and then signing onto RCEP and making no noise about Quad) and start developing our own permanent naval bases. Remember in ingternational politics, every country is for themselves. All the more reason to get to $5 trillion+ economy even if we have to beg, borrow, or steal (just like we did with nuke tech and space tech). And put all the socialists, anti nationalists obstructing our growth behind bars.I don't trust that the Biden administration/democrats will not neuter US response in case of PLA Navy attack on Andaman and Nicobar. China has leverage on Biden. Watch this and read the accompanying report:
China systematically targeted Hunter Biden with business deals involving the Chinese state, intelligence, and even China's military, the People's Liberation Army. This is not the Hunter Biden laptop story from the NY Post! This is from a report based on publicly available documents that media have refused to cover. How much did Joe Biden know about Hunter Biden's China deals? Economist and China expert Christopher Balding joins us on China Unscripted to discuss the report and its possible effects on US China relations and the US election 2020. Read the report for yourself!
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India should anyways build up Andaman and Nicobar and other islands with long range aircraft and SAMs and long range anti-ship missiles to counter PLA Navy.
NEW DELHI: The Navy is clear that India requires a third aircraft carrier as its economy grows towards the $ 5 trillion goal and says that it will move a formal case to the government for an acquisition after gathering technical information.
The acquisition of a third carrier – India has the INS Vikramaditya in service and the INS Vikrant under construction – has been a sore point with the defence ministry citing a lack of funds and the Navy pushing the case to maintain an operational edge in the region.
Speaking on the issue, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Karambir Singh has said that air power at sea is a critical requirement and is required at an immediate basis.
“As the Navy we are absolutely clear of the utility of the carrier. Because air operations are integral to naval operations. Air power at sea is required here and now. The Navy is all about reach and sustenance,” the Navy Chief said at his annual press conference ahead of Navy Day.
Elaborating, the top officer said that a Navy with extended reach is critical for a nation that wants to grow economically. “If you are a nation that is aspiration and you want to become a 5 trillion economy shortly and you want to do well you will have to go outwards and seek the world. The navy does not want to be navy tethered to shore. For that aircraft carriers are absolutely necessary,” Admiral Singh said.
The Navy chief said that a series of request for information have been sent out to gather technical information, following which the force would move a case for acceptance of necessity – the first step in the acquisition process when the defence ministry gives a formal go ahead.
The Navy has also taken up a case for a multi role carrier based fighter jet and has been working with DRDO for an indigenous platform. “We are working with DRDO on the twin engine deck based fighter offered to us. A lot of lessons have been learnt from the LCA program and my hope is that the twin engine jet can enter service by the early 2030s,” he said.
Aircraft carriers have been a priority area for the Navy which has kept the construction of its indigenous INS Vikrant on track despite the Covid crisis. The ship is expected to start sea trials by early next year.
2 aircraft carrier battle groups - 1 each for for Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea is sufficient for IN for this decade.Third aircraft carrier absolutely necessary, air power at sea is required here and now: Navy Chief
Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Karambir Singh
The acquisition of a third carrier – India has the INS Vikramaditya in service and the INS Vikrant under construction – has been a sore point with the defence ministry citing a lack of funds and the Navy pushing the case to maintain an operational...
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