INS Vishal (IAC- II) Aircraft Carrier - Flattop or Ski Jump

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It is designed for large container ships that run on heavy fuel oil. Its largest 14-cylinder version is 13.5 metres (44 ft) high, 26.59 m (87 ft) long, weighs over 2,300 tonnes, and produces 80,080 kilowatts (107,390 hp). The engine is the largest reciprocating engine in the world.

I know its not military, But Military ships also use such engines, I wonder what is the weight penalties specially for large Aircraft carriers such as IAC-2 ..
 

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It is designed for large container ships that run on heavy fuel oil. Its largest 14-cylinder version is 13.5 metres (44 ft) high, 26.59 m (87 ft) long, weighs over 2,300 tonnes, and produces 80,080 kilowatts (107,390 hp). The engine is the largest reciprocating engine in the world.

I know its not military, But Military ships also use such engines, I wonder what is the weight penalties specially for large Aircraft carriers such as IAC-2 ..
Ok THIS IS OMG!

BUt which country Provide Like this Large Engine For IAC-2 ?
any info?.
 

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IAC-2 specs are not released in complete yet, So hard to tell who will be supplying what kind of engines ..
 

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IAC 2 not be nuclear power?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
 

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It is designed for large container ships that run on heavy fuel oil. Its largest 14-cylinder version is 13.5 metres (44 ft) high, 26.59 m (87 ft) long, weighs over 2,300 tonnes, and produces 80,080 kilowatts (107,390 hp). The engine is the largest reciprocating engine in the world.
I know its not military, But Military ships also use such engines, I wonder what is the weight penalties specially for large Aircraft carriers such as IAC-2 ..
Will the IAC-II not use gas turbines if it is indeed conventionally powered?

IAC 2 not be nuclear power?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
If we are not going for a nuclear IAC-II, is it safe to say it will be STOBAR and not CATOBAR? If that happens, no point in making a 65000 ton carrier. Just make another Vikrant-class carrier.
 

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Published on Jun 17, 2015
Pre-commissioing Unit Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78) conducts dead-load testing of the The Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) .

The Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) is a complete carrier-based launch system designed for CVN 78 and all future Gerald R.

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Something we are interested in too ..
 

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It is designed for large container ships that run on heavy fuel oil. Its largest 14-cylinder version is 13.5 metres (44 ft) high, 26.59 m (87 ft) long, weighs over 2,300 tonnes, and produces 80,080 kilowatts (107,390 hp). The engine is the largest reciprocating engine in the world.

I know its not military, But Military ships also use such engines, I wonder what is the weight penalties specially for large Aircraft carriers such as IAC-2 ..

Engine Characteristics vary based on need.. Commercial ships run steady with very less changes during voyage.

Warships have a different need and im sure needs very different specifications... one i can guess is rapid changes in power levels of operations
 

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India Developing Second Aircraft Carrier
NEW DELHI—India is working to develop a second indigenous aircraft carrier, IAC-2, as it prepares to induct the first one in the next two years, according to a senior Indian navy official.
India proposes to build a 300-meter long aircraft carrier that displaces 65,000 tons. The Navy also said that the ship should be able to travel at 30 knots.
In addition, the aircraft carrier will carry 30-35 fixed wing combat aircraft and about 20 rotary wing aircraft.
In contrast to India’s existing aircraft carriers, which utilize ski-jump launch systems, the LoR for IAC-2 says the ship will have a catapult launched but arrested landing (CATOBAR) system.
It did hold out the possibility that the new aircraft carrier would ultimately utilize an electromagnetic aircraft launch system (EMALS). Currently, only the United States’ latest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, uses EMALS to launch fixed-wing aircraft.
India has a long and extensive history of defense cooperation with Russia. Indeed, India’s Navy currently operates a modified Kiev-class carrier, INS Vikramaditya, which India purchased from Russia.
Meanwhile, the United States has been deepening its military cooperation with India in recent years. In fact, earlier this year it was announced that the United States is considering helping India expand its aircraft carrier fleet.
A joint statement released by the two countries back in January 2015 said that they were forming a working group to explore Washington providing Delhi with aircraft carrier technology. Both countries view China’s rising military power as a long-term threat, and have sought to expand cooperation in order to balance against that threat.
Whenever IAC-2 becomes operational, it is believed that it will take the place of INS Vikramaditya, the aforementioned Russian-built vessel
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2016/09/india-developing-second-aircraft-carrier.html
 

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Navy’s second home-built carrier will be nuclear, but will come only in 2030s

The navy has made its choices. When INS Vishal, the Indian Navy’s second indigenous aircraft carrier enters service, it will be a technologically cutting edge warship, on par with the world’s most advanced carriers.
The navy’s finalised specifications include nuclear propulsion, a catapult launch system based on the new US “electro-magnetic aircraft launch system” (EMALS) and the capacity to embark 55 combat aircraft.
But advanced technologies also mean delay. Naval planners, talking anonymously to Business Standard, say INS Vishal will not enter service before 2030, and might take as long as 2035 to join the fleet as India’s third operational carrier.

Already, the navy faces six years of delay in the first indigenous carrier, the 44,000-tonne INS Vikrant, which Cochin Shipyard Ltd was supposed to deliver in 2015. Until the Vikrant is commissioned in 2021, the navy will operate just a single carrier --- the 45,000-tonne INS Vikramaditya, built in Russia and commissioned in 2013.
Yet the navy’s decision is clear --- delay is acceptable, but INS Vishal must pack the power needed to effectively dominate India’s extended area of operations. Over the years, the navy has defined this as extending across the Indian Ocean, from the Strait of Hormuz in the west, to the Malacca Strait in Southeast Asia.

To dominate this swathe of sea, the navy believes the Vishal would need at least 55 aircraft on board. These will include two fighter squadrons, electronic warfare (EW) aircraft, airborne early warning (AEW) aircraft to monitor and control airspace, and helicopters for special operations, anti-submarine warfare and communications duties.

Given the capability-to-weight thumb rule of 1,000 tonnes of aircraft carrier needed for each aircraft embarked, INS Vishal would have to be about 60,000 - 65,000 tonnes. To propel such a carrier at a sustained 30 knots (over 55 kilometres per hour), a nuclear propulsion system has been considered inescapable.

India does not yet have a nuclear propulsion system suitable for an aircraft carrier. The 83 Megawatt (MW) nuclear reactors designed for the Arihant-class nuclear ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs) are inadequate, since an aircraft carrier requires several times more power than an SSBN.

Developing a new, purpose-built reactor remains an option, but planners could also attempt to modify the 540 MW nuclear reactors that India has developed for commercial power generation.

The navy has extensively debated the question of nuclear propulsion. Opponents of nuclear propulsion point to the Royal Navy’s 65,000 tonne Queen Elizabeth II, slated to be commissioned in 2017, which will be powered by Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbines. Proponents of nuclear propulsion argue that India’s carriers would require more electrical power, since these would launch aircraft with the power-intensive EMALS system.

Even so, India’s carriers would be significantly smaller than the US Navy’s 95,000 tonne Enterprise-class; and the new 100,000 tonne Gerald R Ford-class supercarriers that embark 90-100 aircraft.

“We have conveyed our choice. Now the government will decide. An aircraft carrier has huge financial implications, with large annual outlays during construction and even while it is in service. So the government will understandably consider the choices carefully. And that means delay”, says a senior naval planner.

The government’s decision will be complicated by recent reductions in the naval budget. This year, allocations to the navy are down to just 14.55 per cent of the defence budget, from 18 per cent in 2012-13. Defence experts opine that, given the navy’s growing role and the cost of capital warships, an 18 per cent allocation is unavoidable.

Yet, in the wake of the Uri attack, a high-level empowered committee that visited Russia for emergency purchases of military equipment bought mainly army weaponry. The admirals worry that the current focus on tactical skirmishes with Pakistan on the Line of Control might shift focus from the strategic, long-term need to bolster the navy.

As Business Standard first reported (July 17, 2015, “India specifies 65,000-tonne aircraft carrier, with catapult”) the navy last year specified INS Vishal’s approximate weight while seeking consultancy assistance from global shipbuilders in designing the carrier. But that request was silent on several key questions --- including nuclear propulsion and EMALS. Nor was there a completion date.

Another crucial question to be decided is what aircraft INS Vishal will embark. The MiG-29K, which were bought from Russia for the Vikramaditya and Vikrant, have limitations that are still being ironed out. Nor is the Naval Tejas light fighter making significant headway.

That opens the door for two bigger fighters that already fly off aircraft carriers: the French Rafale, already procured from Dassault for the air force; and Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the world’s premier carrier-borne aircraft. With EMALS technology chosen for INS Vishal, the US fighter has a slight edge in this race.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.nl/2016/11/navys-second-home-built-carrier-will-be.html
 

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Another crucial question to be decided is what aircraft INS Vishal will embark. The MiG-29K, which were bought from Russia for the Vikramaditya and Vikrant, have limitations that are still being ironed out. Nor is the Naval Tejas light fighter making significant headway.

That opens the door for two bigger fighters that already fly off aircraft carriers: the French Rafale, already procured from Dassault for the air force; and Boeing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, the world’s premier carrier-borne aircraft. With EMALS technology chosen for INS Vishal, the US fighter has a slight edge in this race.
Now I simply don't understand these short of journalism. On one hand it has been mentioned that the carrier is more then a decade away and on other hand they are writing about Aircraft which would operate from it. Its blueprint has yet not been formulated, leave alone the conceptualization. It seems the writer is hell bent on proving which aircraft would be better to operate from a theoretical carrier.
 

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IDN TAKE: India's Biggest Warship, INS Vishal, Likely To Be Nuclear-Powered
A improved variant with U.S. inputs of the Arihant's DRDO/BARC developed nuclear power plant may be be used for INS VISHAAL aircraft carrier
As per media reports, India's biggest ever warship, the INS Vishal, is likely to be propelled by nuclear energy. The second of India's home-made aircraft carriers will be a whopper at 65,000 tonnes with enough room to accommodate 50 aircraft.
The INS Vikramaditya, an old Kiev-class Russian carrier weighs approximately 45,000 tonnes, joined the Navy in 2013 and carries 34 aircraft on board. While the type of fighter jets which will be based on the new carrier is yet to be decided, however, senior officials indicated that the MiG-29K may be the likely choice.
The cost of INS Vishal will depend on the kind of propulsion; nuclear propulsion will cost more than conventional means - diesel or gas. A nuclear aircraft carrier costs upto three times more than a conventional carrier.
After years of neglect, India's navy is in the midst of accelerated modernisation under Prime Minister Narendra Modi. The government has fast-tracked processes to ensure the domestically-built INS Vikrant will be ready for service in 2018. The INS Vishal could be built with US technology.

The US Navy's next-generation electromagnetic catapult for aircraft carriers works! The Military hasn't exactly used it to launch an actual fighter jet yet, but a recent test has proven that it can handle 80,000 pounds of steel
India is eyeing the Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System (EMALS) developed in the US, which means jets can launch off a flat deck at a faster rate and with less fatigue to aircraft. India's existing carrier force uses ski-jump ramps to help planes take off and uses wires to slow them down when landing. For that reason, planes have to be lighter and fewer in number which the upper limit is 34 currently.
With an EMALS system on a flat deck, the INS Vishal could field 50 heavier fighter jets with longer range as well as airborne early warning system aircraft.
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Not sure whether this was posted already.

This is a nice CGI that perhaps gives a rough idea.


Source: Revealed: Details of India's Second Indigenous Aircraft Carrier

This report does mention nuclear propulsion.
Deviant art has had too many carrier design picture's, this one has Angled deck, our's will be flat one, our looks like below ..2nd one



The nuclear decision was confirmed just hours ago, while it's easy to speculate IAC 2 must have Nuke propulsion
 

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Now I simply don't understand these short of journalism. On one hand it has been mentioned that the carrier is more then a decade away and on other hand they are writing about Aircraft which would operate from it. Its blueprint has yet not been formulated, leave alone the conceptualization. It seems the writer is hell bent on proving which aircraft would be better to operate from a theoretical carrier.
Can you please name few fighters which can operate by using EMALS
 

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Can you please name few fighters which can operate by using EMALS
Aircraft Compatibility Testing (ACT) Phase 1 concluded in late 2011 following 134 launches (aircraft types comprising the F/A-18E Super Hornet, T-45C Goshawk, C-2A Greyhound, E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, and F-35C Lightning II)using the EMALS demonstrator installed at Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst. On completion of ACT 1, the system was reconfigured to be more representative of the actual ship configuration on board the USS Gerald R. Ford, which will use four catapults sharing several energy storage and power conversion subsystems.[6]

ACT Phase 2 began on 25 June 2013 and concluded on 6 April 2014 after a further 310 launches (including launches of the EA-18G Growler and F/A-18C Hornet, as well as another round of testing with aircraft types previously launched during Phase 1). In Phase 2 various carrier situations were simulated, including off-centre launches and planned system faults, to demonstrate that aircraft could meet end-speed and validate launch-critical reliability.[6]

  • June 2014: The Navy completed EMALS prototype testing of 450 manned aircraft launches involving every fixed-wing carrier-borne aircraft type in the USN inventory at Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst during two Aircraft Compatibility Testing (ACT) campaigns.
  • May 2015: First full speed shipboard tests conducted.[14]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System
 

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India should have built the reactor first. Else this can be a big failure. India would not be able to buy reactors if it didnt click.
 

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This is stupid, even the American Admit that the EMALS takes an inordinate amount of power and even the mighty Nimits class with 2 x 100MEWe Reactors cannot run them. The Ford Class will be powered by 2 x 300MWe reactors. We haven't even built a 100MWe reactor yet.
 

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This is stupid, even the American Admit that the EMALS takes an inordinate amount of power and even the mighty Nimits class with 2 x 100MEWe Reactors cannot run them. The Ford Class will be powered by 2 x 300MWe reactors. We haven't even built a 100MWe reactor yet.
From Ajai Shukla's article

Developing a new, purpose-built reactor remains an option, but planners could also attempt to modify the 540 MW nuclear reactors that India has developed for commercial power generation.
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